Analogue-sequencer

hi Robert,

> 3. I have a hard time with the interface. Maybe that's
> newbie problems, but anyway:

trust me; it's newbie probs. i've had mine since the beginning of 
september '03 and after about 3 months i can pretty much dream the 
UI; see how you're getting on in a month or 2. once you know where 
what is it's all pretty logical. personally i found the learning 
curve for the P3 quite relaxed when compared to other sequencers i've 
had.

> 4. The Data and Tempo knobs should be labeled on the case.
>  I keep using the wrong buttons and wild tempo changes. ;)
> 
> 5. The Data and Tempo knobs should be moved to some other
> place on the panel. I still think my last suggestion would
> work fine (i.e. placing 2 or 3 knobs between the keypad and
> LCD).

as the data & tempo pots are not on a board but on a wire you could 
move them yourself... and sticky tape works wonders for labelling ;)

good luck & grtz Chiel

Hi Colin and others, here are my first P3 impressions. Note
that I'm still very new to the P3 and I'm probably very
wrong in some of my conclusions. Also note that I find the
Xbase09 interface hard to use, so maybe I'm just stupid.
But first impressions are always important, imo, so here we
go:

1. I love this machine for its features, and I'm still not
using every possible feature it has.

2. I love the fact that you can edit around without ever
stopping the machine, and without losing sync with the
other tracks. Very impressive programming.

3. I have a hard time with the interface. Maybe that's
newbie problems, but anyway:

3.a. I would like to *see* where I am. Top level mode? Play
list edit mode? Pattern edit mode? I now have try to
recognize the pages ("ah yes, that was a pattern edit mode
page, so I must be in pattern edit mode.").  Did I miss
anything? Any visible clue?

Suggestion: It would be nice if the LCD screen would give
 an indication, or that a new set of three LEDs would be
 added that simply indicate the current mode.

Suggestion: I wouldn't mind a bigger LCD to have this info
constantly shown, along with the current edit page number.
Can the sources be patched to support a bigger LCD screen?

3.b. I never know what I have to do , or *can* do when
editing a parameter.  Some parameters require the Data knob
to be tweaked, while others use buttons 1 and 2 to
increment/decrement a value, while yet another set requires
you to press one of the 16 step buttons (while pressing one
of the param buttons).

Suggestion: I would like to Data knob to work in (almost)
all situations. Afaik, it doesn't work when I'm expected to
use the Step buttons or Inc/Dec buttons. When the Data knob
is supported for all params, I have at least one way of
param tweaking that works *all of the time*.

Suggestion: I would like the LCD to give me a clue as  to
how the parameter should be edited. Some kind of icon on
the LCD that tells me what to do, next to the param. Or
maybe yet another set of LEDs (one for the Data knob and
one for the step buttons) that blink when available as edit
modifier.

3.c. Some parameters don't give their current value, I
think. ;) For instance, the last pattern step to be set
with the Edit Last parameter doesn't show the current
value? Correct? I'm not sure here.

4. The Data and Tempo knobs should be labeled on the case.
 I keep using the wrong buttons and wild tempo changes. ;)

5. The Data and Tempo knobs should be moved to some other
place on the panel. I still think my last suggestion would
work fine (i.e. placing 2 or 3 knobs between the keypad and
LCD).

6. Play list edit mode took me a loooong time to
 understand. I keep pressing the page button to set the
 repeat and transpose value. (I know, the step buttons
 represent each play list step, but anyway. ;) I keep
 pressing the step knobs to select the track, but in
 reality I'm updating the pattern number for the current
 playlist. Am I correct that I can't see which track I'm
 editing when entering playlist mode?

Suggestion: Indicate the current track being edited in
Playlist Edit mode.

Suggestion: Maybe explain a bit more in the manual about
this mode.

That's it for the moment. I really like to see any
 comments.

- Robert

Hi,

> 3.a. I would like to *see* where I am. Top level mode? Play
> list edit mode? Pattern edit mode? I now have try to
> recognize the pages ("ah yes, that was a pattern edit mode
> page, so I must be in pattern edit mode.").  Did I miss
> anything? Any visible clue?

Good point, not something I noticed..

> Suggestion: It would be nice if the LCD screen would give
> an indication, or that a new set of three LEDs would be
> added that simply indicate the current mode.
>
> Suggestion: I wouldn't mind a bigger LCD to have this info
> constantly shown, along with the current edit page number.
> Can the sources be patched to support a bigger LCD screen?

ooo, yeah, this WOULD be good!
Perhaps 4 by 20 LCD? as an option?

> 3.b. I never know what I have to do , or *can* do when
> editing a parameter.  Some parameters require the Data knob
> to be tweaked, while others use buttons 1 and 2 to
> increment/decrement a value, while yet another set requires
> you to press one of the 16 step buttons (while pressing one
> of the param buttons).
> Suggestion: I would like to Data knob to work in (almost)
> all situations. Afaik, it doesn't work when I'm expected to
> use the Step buttons or Inc/Dec buttons. When the Data knob
> is supported for all params, I have at least one way of
> param tweaking that works *all of the time*.

A good point, perhaps some consistancy for the control of parameters could
be added?
I like the idea of the data knob working.. but I can see some problems for
colin.. for example when you choose the timebase you push F1 or F2, but
how would coling know that you turning the knob is reffering to that and
not the function on F3?

> 4. The Data and Tempo knobs should be labeled on the case.
> I keep using the wrong buttons and wild tempo changes. ;)

mine are :-)

> 5. The Data and Tempo knobs should be moved to some other
> place on the panel. I still think my last suggestion would
> work fine (i.e. placing 2 or 3 knobs between the keypad and
> LCD).

Mine are on the Left on the display.

> 6. Play list edit mode took me a loooong time to
> understand.

I've not done this yet, most I've ever done is chain 3 or 4 patterns
together.

Paul

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, Robert van der Kamp 
<robnet@w...> wrote:
> I have no doubts that in a while I'll be over the learning 
> curve and navigate smoothly through the P3's modes and 
> pages. But I'm also sure that, after not having used the P3 
> for say 2 months, I will have to relearn the whole thing 
> again. My memory... 

I go through this with much of the equipment in my studio and tend to 
gravitate to the gear that is simplest to use. This is mostly because 
I don't spend as much time doing music anymore.... The less music I 
do, the harder it is to remember how to use all of the Gear. The 
harder the gear is to use, the less music I do with it.

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:10:46 +0100, Robert van der Kamp <robnet@wxs.nl>
(by way of Robert van der Kamp <robnet@wxs.nl>) wrote:

>3. I have a hard time with the interface. Maybe that's
>newbie problems, but anyway:

It was the same for me when I first saw it, very much like seeing a
french horn for the first time and not knowing what all the bits of
tube could possibly do to make music. Once learned you can use it
instinctively. 

>Suggestion: It would be nice if the LCD screen would give
> an indication, or that a new set of three LEDs would be
> added that simply indicate the current mode.

My ultimate interface enhancement would be a second line of 16 buttons
and LEDs, split into two lots of 8 and permanently showing the
track/part status. The existing controls would be permanently in edit
for the sequence in the selected track and tracks selected would show
amber or something. I don't really feel the need for anything else on
the LCD however but I've used the P3 a lot now and it feels very
intuitive now.

>3.c. Some parameters don't give their current value, I
>think. ;) For instance, the last pattern step to be set
>with the Edit Last parameter doesn't show the current
>value? Correct? I'm not sure here.

There is no visual clue - I guess the steps beyond the last step could
change colour but we're possibly pushing the colour fixation thing a
little ... 8)

>6. Play list edit mode took me a loooong time to
> understand. I keep pressing the page button to set the
> repeat and transpose value. (I know, the step buttons
> represent each play list step, but anyway. ;) I keep
> pressing the step knobs to select the track, but in
> reality I'm updating the pattern number for the current
> playlist. Am I correct that I can't see which track I'm
> editing when entering playlist mode?

You know when you enter this mode but I agree this was the hardest
thing for me. But then my playlists are always just selecting one 16
step sequence so I effectively don't use the feature. 

>That's it for the moment. I really like to see any
> comments.

I understand much of what you say and the more we ask to be crammed
into the P3, the harder to have the interface keep us informed or let
us navigate easily. For me I have simply stuck with it and once over
the learning curve, I am as fast at using the P3 as any other
sequencer with the possible exception of the ARP....

Good thoughts though,

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Wednesday 07 January 2004 14:49, Paul Nagle wrote:

> I understand much of what you say and the more we ask to
> be crammed into the P3, the harder to have the interface
> keep us informed or let us navigate easily. For me I have
> simply stuck with it and once over the learning curve, I
> am as fast at using the P3 as any other sequencer with
> the possible exception of the ARP....

I have no doubts that in a while I'll be over the learning 
curve and navigate smoothly through the P3's modes and 
pages. But I'm also sure that, after not having used the P3 
for say 2 months, I will have to relearn the whole thing 
again. My memory... 

- Robert

> My ultimate interface enhancement would be a second line of 16 
buttons
> and LEDs, split into two lots of 8 and permanently showing the
> track/part status. The existing controls would be permanently in 
edit
> for the sequence in the selected track and tracks selected would 
show
> amber or something.

Anyone else fancy that idea ?
Obviously it would need a bit of an extension to the P3 hardware, 
but not that much.
Of course, it would break my 'no significant hardware changes' 
policy...

Cheers,
Colin f

colin,

> Anyone else fancy that idea ?
> Obviously it would need a bit of an extension to the P3 hardware,  but
> not that much.
> Of course, it would break my 'no significant hardware changes'
> policy...

Not me,
It wouldn't fit in my case..
I guess as long as the firmware will work with the older ones, Im happy.
But I really don't want to have to remake the case or miss out on future
updates because they wouldn't work with my hardware.

Paul

> Not me,
> It wouldn't fit in my case..
> I guess as long as the firmware will work with the older 
> ones, Im happy.
> But I really don't want to have to remake the case or miss 
> out on future
> updates because they wouldn't work with my hardware.

That's what puts me off the idea most.
I'm thinking if and when I find the time to do a P4, it would be a
no-brainer, but there would have to be a majority of P3 users in favour
of a hardware extension of that sort to justify it.

Maybe some 'optional' extra keys would be a better solution ?
The P3 switch matrix interface can support another five keys without
using any of the spare pins on the AUX connector. With the AUX
connector, I could add many more.
In pattern edit mode, FUNC+PLAY/EDIT will give you access to the track
mutes, but if there was an option to wire in a dedicated switch for this
function, it could simplify things.
This could work in parallel with the existing method, and would make
this option easier to implement in playlist edit too.
So, if you had another five switches on your P3, what would you want
them to do ?

Cheers,
Colin f

Hi all--

>-----Original Message-----
>From: colinfraser_com [mailto:colin@colinfraser.com]
>
>> ... a second line of 16 buttons
>> and LEDs, split into two lots of 8 and permanently showing the
>> track/part status. The existing controls would be permanently in
>> edit for the sequence in the selected track and tracks selected
>> would show amber or something.
>
>Anyone else fancy that idea ?
>

Hmmm! Well, me for one! Sounds like a worthy enhancement. Since I haven't
actually started constructing mine yet (or even started on a panel scheme)
I'd still be happy to accommodate changes...

Frank

Colin,

> That's what puts me off the idea most.

and I would imagine a lot of P3 owners. it would mean a lot of work and cost
for them.

> I'm thinking if and when I find the time to do a P4, it would be a
> no-brainer, but there would have to be a majority of P3 users in favour
> of a hardware extension of that sort to justify it.

maybe, but to be honest I like the P3 as it is, I don't think it needs to be
bigger.

> Maybe some 'optional' extra keys would be a better solution ?

thats ok, as long as the software isn't limited for those of us who havn't
got them.

> In pattern edit mode, FUNC+PLAY/EDIT will give you access to the track
> mutes, but if there was an option to wire in a dedicated switch for this
> function, it could simplify things.

I dunno, for me at least, its not much hassle to mute a track, edit it, exit
edit mode, and unmute a track.
I just don't see a need for it.

> This could work in parallel with the existing method, and would make
> this option easier to implement in playlist edit too.
> So, if you had another five switches on your P3, what would you want
> them to do ?

nothing to be honest, I'd rather have LEDs for the modes
(edit/pattern/song/etc)

Paul

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:43:59 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>So, if you had another five switches on your P3, what would you want
>them to do ?

I would suggest:

1) Display Toggle - between top level display, pattern edit and
playlist edit. The P3 would need to remember the last track for which
pattern/playlist was edited.
2) Last Step - I personally use this so often that to get there right
away would be cool.
3) CC Assign - again if I could go straight here and it simultaneously
set the P3 to use the first controller, that would be great. Maybe
this one too obscure and could be a "user favourite"? 
4) RAND - hold this and the current edit pattern would have its notes
randomised according to settings.
5) Shift - a variety of uses. With RAND it could randomise current top
row setting, with track button it could select new track as edit track
for pattern/playlist uses etc. Could also be used to double up
existing softkeys. 

OK, that's my first thoughts..

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@softroom.co.uk www.softroom.co.uk
                           www.BogusFocus.com

On Friday 09 January 2004 20:43, Colin f wrote:
> This could work in parallel with the existing method, and
> would make this option easier to implement in playlist
> edit too. So, if you had another five switches on your
> P3, what would you want them to do ?

Let me think about this one..

1. A mute-track button, like you suggested.

2. An Exit button, to exit the current mode, instead of 
using the same Func or Play/Edit button again. (Then we can 
finally call it just an Edit button, heh. ;)

3. Maybe an Info or Inspect button that, when pressed with a 
step button, shows the contents of the track, pattern, 
playlist step.

4. I still like the idea of that Volume button that, when 
pressed with a step button, sends a CC7 to a track's midi 
channel by turning the Data knob. Just make sure to send an 
initial CC7 value (programmed for the track) when the song 
is started. (Maybe call it a Mix button and generalize the 
CC number. )

5. Maybe a Restart button that stops and restarts the 
pattern from the beginning?

- Robert

> This could work in parallel with the existing method, and would make
> this option easier to implement in playlist edit too.
> So, if you had another five switches on your P3, what would you want
> them to do ?

hi kids,

there's been 3 suggestions for extra switches that would be useful to 
me; of course the track-mute status access from pattern- and playlist-
edit mode (i'm assuming we're talking about a kind of access-while-
key-is-held-down type of ui similar to the one already being used in 
pattern-edit) which is right at the top of my wish-list already. the 
second would be Paul's 'shift'-key, for which maybe 'alt' would be a 
better name, to avoid confusion with the 'shift' already implemented 
in pattern-edit. Robert's Info-button would be useful too, especially 
in playlist-edit. for pattern-edit it would have the function 
FUNC+step have now. in play mode it could show you the mute-status of 
another part.
one i'd really like myself is Pre-Edit, which, when pushed would 
allow you to edit other parts that the one playing in play mode and 
edit other playlist-steps than the current one in playlist-edit mode.
another i'd like is CC on/off, which would toggle transmission of  
programmed CC's on or off for tracks. it'd be cool to have 
a 'momentary' function for this, perhaps in combination with the 
(TBI? ;)) 'Alt', which would transmit CC's only while the key is held 
down.
as things like RAND, CC Assign, Last Step or Volume aren't useful to 
me maybe a set of optional user-assignable keys on the AUX connector 
would be an idea for the future. but i very much agree that the P3 
should basically stay the same hardware-wise; i'd hate to miss out on 
cool new functions just because i'm too lazy to de- & reconstruct my 
P3.
coïncidentally the above also takes care of my complete wishlist, 
Colin; the Pre-Edit function is especially high on my list. dedicated 
buttons would be great of course, but a soft-solution would do me 
fine as well..

grtz Chiel

> one i'd really like myself is Pre-Edit, which, when pushed would 
> allow you to edit other parts that the one playing in play mode

That's a good one...
I guess the main part parameters that you'd want to change would be GBar
and PXPos ?
I could assign those to the knobs above the step keys 9 - 16,
corresponding to the part on each of those keys.
I wouldn't like them to be permanently live, as that might cause you to
accidentally change something drastic without meaning to.
Maybe holding the FUNC key while in play mode could activate them ?

Having the knobs above the track keys send midi volume could be trickier
- I'll need to work out how to queue those messages for transmission
along with the sequence data and soft-thru midi data. This'll mean a
three-way merge, and some method to prevent saturation of the midi
bandwidth.
I guess if I provide an option to configure a controller number (and
possibly an alternative midi channel) for each knob above the track
keys, these could be set up to send volume messages, or to edit synth
voice parameters. That would be handy for my MS6s...

> edit other playlist-steps than the current one in playlist-edit mode.

That's an even better one. The need to wait for the step to come round
to change pattern on a playlist step, and having the 'wrong' pattern
play at least once has been getting on my nerves, so I think I'll need
to implement that one anyway, regardless of whether it get's an extra
button or not.
So much for being 'nearly finished'.

Cheers,
Colin f

Forgive a small brain dump here, if you will. What I find cool and
interesting about this stuff so far is the diversity of uses people
are putting their P3 to. It must be rather flexible, eh?

For example, I don't use playlists - so I never come across this
"which pattern do I edit" problem. Similarly, I enable the tracks I
want to hear using the existing track button - so a mute key would
just involve me pushing an existing button to turn off the track.
Unless I miss something useful?

I love the suggestions about a button to stop all controllers being
transmitted (toggle between solo notes and solo controllers maybe?)
and it occurs to me that an overall track "solo" button might be fun
but, again, I can turn off multiple tracks simultaneously already. I
guess I'm in search of things that can't currently be done so easily.
So with a display toggle I could leap on and out of the track display
at any time to mute or enable tracks.

Having played a Notron, I'd vote for the track knobs to control
relative +/- note lengths and velocities, because I always thought
that was really useful in practive (more so than when I read about
it). But I also agree to send a CC value or the Aux value of your
choice would be awesome. Did we once discuss it sending the
controllers or Aux that are CCA and CCB?
Yeah, the gbar and xpos for part knobs sounds sensible but maybe you'd
want it to take you directly to the menu once touched so the changes
could be confirmed (with a single key)?

And as for seeing the value stored in each step, I never do this at
all. But I liked the idea of a consistent "Exit" button. 

For me the P3's only fault is its lack of "performance" features and
that's why I suggested RND and Last Step - the RND would function
differently than the built-in function BTW in that it would remain on
until hit a second time (use shift to randomise top row value).
Meaning you could let the P3 auto-generate notes for a particular
track. And I think a different mode toggle would be quicker than the
current "hold func + track" or "hold edit + track" but it would mean
the P3 would need to remember the last track that was selected for
edit using the conventional technique. i.e. unless you used Exit,
you'd remain in edit even when in a track view situation. 

Can I have more LEDs please... 8-)

Anyway, whatever you do to the P3 Colin, it's the coolest sequencer on
the planet. Well, add those Aux events (before all this stuff pretty
please?) and it is... 8-)

I wanna have an Aux event that lets me control step (not note) length
- like on my Oberheim Minisequencer... 8-)

Toast, need toast....

Paul

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:07:30 -0000, "Colin f" <colin@colinfraser.com>
wrote:

>> one i'd really like myself is Pre-Edit, which, when pushed would 
>> allow you to edit other parts that the one playing in play mode
>
>That's a good one...
>I guess the main part parameters that you'd want to change would be GBar
>and PXPos ?
>I could assign those to the knobs above the step keys 9 - 16,
>corresponding to the part on each of those keys.
>I wouldn't like them to be permanently live, as that might cause you to
>accidentally change something drastic without meaning to.
>Maybe holding the FUNC key while in play mode could activate them ?
>
>Having the knobs above the track keys send midi volume could be trickier
>- I'll need to work out how to queue those messages for transmission
>along with the sequence data and soft-thru midi data. This'll mean a
>three-way merge, and some method to prevent saturation of the midi
>bandwidth.
>I guess if I provide an option to configure a controller number (and
>possibly an alternative midi channel) for each knob above the track
>keys, these could be set up to send volume messages, or to edit synth
>voice parameters. That would be handy for my MS6s...
>
>> edit other playlist-steps than the current one in playlist-edit mode.
>
>That's an even better one. The need to wait for the step to come round
>to change pattern on a playlist step, and having the 'wrong' pattern
>play at least once has been getting on my nerves, so I think I'll need
>to implement that one anyway, regardless of whether it get's an extra
>button or not.
>So much for being 'nearly finished'.
>
>Cheers,
>Colin f
>
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I was thinking that if there were a P3 mode without playlists at all,
then the track knobs could be used for transpose and sequence select.
Shift and the knobs could control pattern direction and last step. A
second shift key and the knobs could...

er, sorry, back to the toast....

Paul
---
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On Sunday 11 January 2004 10:56, Paul Nagle wrote:

> And as for seeing the value stored in each step, I never
> do this at all. But I liked the idea of a consistent
> "Exit" button.

That Exit button could also be used for the Cancel function 
in many param edit screens. Together with a consistent use 
of the Data knob, this would really increase the edit 
interface, imo. 

For example, to quit an pattern edit job, I now have to 
*think* about the current mode I'm in (already hard to see 
on the screen) and, depending on the mode, have to press 
either the Play/Edit knob or the Func knob. An Exit knob 
would get rid of this thinking completely. I want out, so I 
hit Exit.

Same with the Data knob. I don't want to think about how to 
tweak the parameter, I just wanna do it. Once I got that 
behavior under control, I can start to learn extra 
thingies, like using the step keys to tweak a param, but I 
can always fall back to the Data knob if I don't want to.

Colin's idea to use the upper 8 step keys to select the 
playlist step is *very* nice, imo, and would be a great 
enhancement. I just need some extra graphics on the panel. 
Don't underestimate what good supportive panel graphics can 
do here to help you!

Anyway, I will definately wait with my MOTM panel until all 
these nice things like the extra keys and hopefully the 
upper 8 step buttons in playlist edit mode have made it 
into the OS. Work Colin, work! ;)

- Robert

on 09-01-2004 19:40, colinfraser_com at colin@colinfraser.com wrote:

>> My ultimate interface enhancement would be a second line of 16
> buttons
>> and LEDs, split into two lots of 8 and permanently showing the
>> track/part status. The existing controls would be permanently in
> edit
>> for the sequence in the selected track and tracks selected would
> show
>> amber or something.
> 
> Anyone else fancy that idea ?
> Obviously it would need a bit of an extension to the P3 hardware,
> but not that much.
> Of course, it would break my 'no significant hardware changes'
> policy...

GRRRRR!!!!!!!

:-))))))))

Boele

> I guess the main part parameters that you'd want to change would be 
> GBar and PXPos ?

..i was thinking more along the lines of being able to edit another 
part's track-mute status..personally i've never used PXPos so far, 
and i'm quite happy with the accessibility of the GBar setting as-is.

> I guess if I provide an option to configure a controller number (and
> possibly an alternative midi channel) for each knob above the track
> keys, these could be set up to send volume messages, or to edit 
> synth voice parameters. That would be handy for my MS6s...

hm....that would indeed be pretty neat..
 
>The need to wait for the step to come round
> to change pattern on a playlist step, and having the 'wrong' pattern
> play at least once has been getting on my nerves

same here...
something else about playlist-edit; i've noticed that when turning 
the pot for the number of repeats for the current playlist step the 
playlist starts from the first repeat of that step again. personally 
i'd much prefer to have any added repeats 'tagged on' to the current  
repeat of the step. for instance when playlist-step 1, which is set 
to 3 repeats, is playing the programmed patttern for the second time, 
and i turn the top pot to 5 repeats, i'd like the playlist to just 
continue on with the third repeat of the pattern and then add the 
extra 2 whereas at the moment it starts back from the first after 
each turn of the knob. 
another thing; i hardly ever use the 'transpose' knob in playlist-
edit, but i do find myself copying patterns and leaving them exactly 
the same, except for the direction. if at all possible i'd really 
like the lower pot to be user-configurable for either transpose or 
direction..or maybe a pot+FUNC combination? as i wouldn't want to 
lose the transpose altogether
finally i'd like to join Paul in stating that the P3 is the coolest 
sequencer on the planet. the only thing i can imagine beating it any 
time soon is 2 P3's. :)

grtz Chiel

--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "colinfraser_com" 
<colin@c...> wrote:
> > My ultimate interface enhancement would be a second line of 16 
> buttons
> > and LEDs, split into two lots of 8 and permanently showing the
> > track/part status. The existing controls would be permanently in 
> edit
> > for the sequence in the selected track and tracks selected would 
> show
> > amber or something.
> 
> Anyone else fancy that idea ?

YES!!! i very much like that idea...

> something else about playlist-edit; i've noticed that when turning 
> the pot for the number of repeats for the current playlist step 
the 
> playlist starts from the first repeat of that step again. 
personally 
> i'd much prefer to have any added repeats 'tagged on' to the 
current  
> repeat of the step.

Me too.
Watch this space.

Colin f