supply and demand
2010-10-02 by ceedubindustries
Hey, I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list?
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supply and demand
RE: [analogue-sequencer] supply and demand
2010-10-03 by Colin Fraser
> I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for their electronics. The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the electronics. Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it do more cool stuff. There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. Best regards, Colin Fraser Sequentix Music Systems Ltd http://www.sequentix.com
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-07 by analog1k
That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within £800-£1K range i would expect such to have it's own synth engine included. Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. Regards A1K --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...> wrote:
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> > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for > their electronics. > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the > electronics. > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it > do more cool stuff. > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com >
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-07 by musicalgeometry
I totally agree, £1000 doesn't seem overpriced for the Cirklon. From the looks of the build quality and the features this is going to be the ultimate sequencer for me. I just hope Colin is able to make enough of them to meet the demand. I didn't get on the list till recently and am very anxious to be "grinning about my new toy"! Can't wait. --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, companyofquail@... wrote:
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> > I don't think 1000 quid is too much to ask for a midi/cv sequencer that includes nearly every feature the community asked for. I don't know of any sequencers with this much power just in the midi domain that command much less. > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: "analog1k" <analog1k@...> > Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:01:43 > To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand > > That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within £800-£1K range i would expect such to have it's own synth engine included. > > Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. > > The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. > > Regards > A1K > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@> wrote: > > > > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for > > their electronics. > > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that > > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the > > electronics. > > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it > > do more cool stuff. > > > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll > > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > > > Best regards, > > Colin Fraser > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-07 by companyofquail@gmail.com
I don't think 1000 quid is too much to ask for a midi/cv sequencer that includes nearly every feature the community asked for. I don't know of any sequencers with this much power just in the midi domain that command much less. Sent on the Sprint� Now Network from my BlackBerry�
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-----Original Message----- From: "analog1k" <analog1k@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:01:43 To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within �800-�1K range i would expect such to have it's own synth engine included. Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. Regards A1K --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@...> wrote: > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for > their electronics. > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the > electronics. > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it > do more cool stuff. > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > Best regards, > Colin Fraser > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > http://www.sequentix.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-07 by Richard Scott
I hope its under £1000, but I have no doubt at all that Colin won't charge more than he needs to, or more than is fair... he deserves to making a living Richard
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On 10/8/10 12:13 AM, musicalgeometry wrote: > > > I totally agree, £1000 doesn't seem overpriced for the Cirklon. >From > the looks of the build quality and the features this is going to be the > ultimate sequencer for me. I just hope Colin is able to make enough of > them to meet the demand. I didn't get on the list till recently and am > very anxious to be "grinning about my new toy"! > > Can't wait. > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, companyofquail@... wrote: > > > > I don't think 1000 quid is too much to ask for a midi/cv sequencer > that includes nearly every feature the community asked for. I don't know > of any sequencers with this much power just in the midi domain that > command much less. > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "analog1k" <analog1k@...> > > Sender: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 20:01:43 > > To: <analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Reply-To: analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand > > > > That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too > high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just > a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within £800-£1K range i would > expect such to have it's own synth engine included. > > > > Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited > it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no > note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some > that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. > > > > The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of > the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. > > > > Regards > > A1K > > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:analogue-sequencer%40yahoogroups.com>, "Colin Fraser" <colin@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > > > > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > > > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > > > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > > > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, > waiting for > > > their electronics. > > > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the > fact that > > > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run > of the > > > electronics. > > > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > > > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on > making it > > > do more cool stuff. > > > > > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, > but I'll > > > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Colin Fraser > > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-08 by analog1k
Lol, well if you have lots of money to throw about MG, you can buy me a Cirklon too and keep the change ;) --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "musicalgeometry" <musicalgeometry@...> wrote:
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> > I totally agree, £1000 doesn't seem overpriced for the Cirklon. From the looks of the build quality and the features this is going to be the ultimate sequencer for me. I just hope Colin is able to make enough of them to meet the demand. I didn't get on the list till recently and am very anxious to be "grinning about my new toy"! > > Can't wait. >
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-08 by Bob S.
For us across the pond, that is about ~$1,600.00 USD.......... Bob El Segundo, CA
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Subject: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
Lol, well if you have lots of money to throw about MG,
you can buy me a Cirklon too and keep the change ;)
--- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "musicalgeometry" <musicalgeometry@...> wrote:
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> I totally agree, £1000 doesn't seem overpriced for the Cirklon. From the looks of the build quality and the features this is going to be the ultimate sequencer for me. I just hope Colin is able to make enough of them to meet the demand. I didn't get on the list till recently and am very anxious to be "grinning about my new toy"!
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> Can't wait.
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2010-10-08 by sunilsolanki@rogers.com
For a "boutique" item that is really feature laden, the price is really quite reasonable. Have you priced out any Genoqs kit lately??? http://www.genoqs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=79 sunil. --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "analog1k" <analog1k@...> wrote:
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> > That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within £800-£1K range i would expect such to have it's own synth engine included. > > Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. > > The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. > > Regards > A1K > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@> wrote: > > > > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for > > their electronics. > > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that > > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the > > electronics. > > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it > > do more cool stuff. > > > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll > > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > > > Best regards, > > Colin Fraser > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > http://www.sequentix.com > > >
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-09 by Ancient Eyeball Recipe
And look at the vast disparity in support - the genoqs developers have been missing in action now for a long time. Anyone who is a sequencer nut, and follows what's available, both in the midi and the analog domain, can't possibly think that this is overpriced. The closest comparison is probably the Schrittmacher, which is $1,999, hasn't had an update in years, and has no support as far as I know. And of course, compare the price of the other boutique sequencers.... I was actually quite surprised (well, maybe not) that this was going to come in so low. As for the technical reasons as to why sequencers seem to be so expensive - I'm not really sure. I suppose that's an interesting topic in itself. > For a "boutique" item that is really feature laden, the price is really quite reasonable. > > Have you priced out any Genoqs kit lately??? > > http://www.genoqs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=79 > > sunil. > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "analog1k" <analog1k@...> wrote: > > > > That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a sequencer, but if it's projected to be within �800-�1K range i would expect such to have it's own synth engine included. > > > > Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. > > > > The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. > > > > Regards > > A1K > > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > > > > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > > > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > > > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > > > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, waiting for > > > their electronics. > > > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact that > > > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of the > > > electronics. > > > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead time > > > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on making it > > > do more cool stuff. > > > > > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but I'll > > > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Colin Fraser > > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-09 by Josh
Collin is not Roland/Yamaha/Korg etc so I think expecting the Cirklon to include a synth engine and clock in at this price, is frankly quite ridiculous. No offense. On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe <implode7@comcast.net > wrote: > And look at the vast disparity in support - the genoqs developers have been > missing in action now for a long time. > > Anyone who is a sequencer nut, and follows what's available, both in the > midi and the analog domain, can't possibly think that this is overpriced. > The closest comparison is probably the Schrittmacher, which is $1,999, > hasn't had an update in years, and has no support as far as I know. And of > course, compare the price of the other boutique sequencers.... > > I was actually quite surprised (well, maybe not) that this was going to > come in so low. > > As for the technical reasons as to why sequencers seem to be so expensive - > I'm not really sure. I suppose that's an interesting topic in itself. > > > For a "boutique" item that is really feature laden, the price is really > quite reasonable. > > > > Have you priced out any Genoqs kit lately??? > > > > > http://www.genoqs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=79 > > > > sunil. > > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "analog1k" <analog1k@...> > wrote: > > > > > > That sounds good Colin, but i must emphasise, that if the cost is too > high, it's a deal breaker for me. The original P3 cost was good for just a > sequencer, but if it's projected to be within £800-£1K range i would expect > such to have it's own synth engine included. > > > > > > Elektron made a good sequencer in the Monomachine, but they limited it > by not including adjusting step lengths for each of the 6-tracks, no note > skipping, no bi-directional sequencing ie: pendulum etc, for some that's > complete fail. The Cirklon ticks all those boxes Elektron couldn't. > > > > > > The Cirklon is definitely in my to buy list... but it's the cost of the > actual finished unit that's gonna swing it for me. > > > > > > Regards > > > A1K > > > > > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Fraser" <colin@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to do my due diligence and this didn't turn up. Sorry > > > > > if it was previously asked, but how many cirklon units are > > > > > projected and how many buyers are on the waiting list? > > > > > > > > I'm projecting making as many as people want to buy. > > > > Now that they seem to know what they're doing, the factory making my > > > > enclosures can turn out a good number of them in a few weeks. > > > > I have enclosures for the first fifty units sitting right here, > waiting for > > > > their electronics. > > > > The initial production rate of complete units is limited by the fact > that > > > > I'll be stuffing the boards myself until I can fund a factory run of > the > > > > electronics. > > > > Once factory production of board sets is up and running, the lead > time > > > > should come right down, and I'll be able to concentrate mainly on > making it > > > > do more cool stuff. > > > > > > > > There are a lot of people on the waiting list now, which is nice, but > I'll > > > > be happier once they're on the 'grinning about their new toy' list. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Colin Fraser > > > > Sequentix Music Systems Ltd > > > > http://www.sequentix.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-09 by duncan
>>Collin is not Roland/Yamaha/Korg etc so I think expecting the Cirklon to include a synth engine and clock in at this price, is frankly quite ridiculous. No offense.<< agreed. d.
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-09 by Josh
I might add that he is far better, only without the vast resources and means for mass production. In my little opinion. The only other manufacturer that comes close to what Collin does for ongoing support, development, and (not nearly as much, but still pretty good) user feedback, that comes to mind, is Dave Smith. And Johan Kotlinski, if anybody was ever into LSDJ ;) On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, duncan <ferrograph@aol.com> wrote: > > > >>Collin is not Roland/Yamaha/Korg etc so I think expecting the Cirklon to > include a synth engine and clock in at this price, is frankly quite > ridiculous. No offense.<< > > agreed. > > d. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [analogue-sequencer] Re: supply and demand
2010-10-09 by Richard Scott
and Tom Bugs of Bugbrand :)
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On 10/9/10 7:06 PM, Josh wrote: > I might add that he is far better, only without the vast resources and means > for mass production. In my little opinion. > > The only other manufacturer that comes close to what Collin does for ongoing > support, development, and (not nearly as much, but still pretty good) user > feedback, that comes to mind, is Dave Smith. > > And Johan Kotlinski, if anybody was ever into LSDJ ;) > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:07 AM, duncan<ferrograph@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>> Collin is not Roland/Yamaha/Korg etc so I think expecting the Cirklon to >> include a synth engine and clock in at this price, is frankly quite >> ridiculous. No offense.<< >> >> agreed. >> >> d. >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-10 by duncan
I've found bruce "modcan" duncan to be very communicative & friendly too. guys, can we get the spelling of colin's name right, please? one L. d.
Re: supply and demand
2010-10-11 by musicalgeometry
Ha!, Wish I was in such a position! Note that I didn't say I thought the price was cheap, just that I thought it was fair. I've worked in the electronics manufacturing industry before and I know a quality product like this, especially one with so much hands on attention, does not get made cheaply, and Colin needs to get paid on top. In the meantime I am going to keep dreaming of my Cirklon and of having lots of money to throw around. ;-) --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "analog1k" <analog1k@...> wrote:
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> > Lol, well if you have lots of money to throw about MG, > you can buy me a Cirklon too and keep the change ;) > > --- In analogue-sequencer@yahoogroups.com, "musicalgeometry" <musicalgeometry@> wrote: > > > > I totally agree, £1000 doesn't seem overpriced for the Cirklon. From the looks of the build quality and the features this is going to be the ultimate sequencer for me. I just hope Colin is able to make enough of them to meet the demand. I didn't get on the list till recently and am very anxious to be "grinning about my new toy"! > > > > Can't wait. > > >