Analogue systems

For years I have wanted an Ondes Martenot, but the $14,000 price of 
the current model by CIOM of France was just too high.

http://www.martenot.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=22

http://www.chez.com/ciom/ondea-instrumentA.html



But I stumbled across the French Connection and expect mine to be 
delivered by the end of the week, along with an AS VCO and VCA. 

It isn't a complete ondes, even with modules, but it LOOKS to be 
close.  Time will tell. 

Anyone else have one in ths group?

Bryan
Seattle

le 07/10/03 15:39, surbahars à kingfm@yahoo.com a écrit :

> It isn't a complete ondes, even with modules, but it LOOKS to be
> close.  Time will tell.

Same controler but not the same "synthesis" (the Ondes like theremins are
not synths) as you'd need a module based on the heterodyne effect. ;)

Denis U]

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Hi...
 
Actually, the Ondes has a keyboard that has vibrato capability as well.  The french connection does not.   Also, the concert Ondes had a full sized keyboard.  The French Connection does not.   The ondes also had 4 different speakers, one with resonating strings, another with a gong that resonates as well.
 
But....
 
You are right on the hetrodyne.  So far by mixing two of the outputs from the AS VCO into the AS VCA I am able to get a pleasant sound that is not unlike the sound of the Ondes on the recordings I have.
 
A minimal setup, but all my current budget allows.  More soon.   It has been a blast so far.  I am not a keyboard player even... so much to learn.. but so far a theme from Mother Goose by Ravel, and a great piece for Ondes by Jacques Charpentier.  Far from perfected, but I am on my way!
 

 
Same controler but not the same "synthesis" (the Ondes like theremins are
not synths) as you'd need a module based on the heterodyne effect. ;)

 


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le 12/10/03 06:21, Bryan Lowe à kingfm@yahoo.com a écrit :

> Actually, the Ondes has a keyboard that has vibrato capability as well.

vibrato can be achieved thru a lever for the left hand or with the ring (on
the Ondes I've seen)

> The french connection does not.

Still it's the closer I know of so far. trouble is the mecanics in the Ondes
(the ring part) are overcomplicatedŠ Guess is ASys/Bob found it reasonable
not to reproduce everything

> Also, the concert Ondes had a full sized  keyboard.

The Ondes have 67 keys, the FC 56, from my harpsichord experiences (54-64-67
keyboards are the common uses, 6x keys are necessary for 18th century music,
this said you can play them with difficulties on 54 keyboards), it's not
that dramatic ;) Only real piano players find less than 88 notes a personal
attempt to spoil their art ;)))
(another religious argument ;)

Guess the choice was to use most of the other controlers partsŠ Or a larger
keyboard would be much too far fetched price wise

> The French Connection does not.

Similarity is not identity ;)

> The ondes also had 4 different
> speakers, one with resonating strings, another with a gong that resonates as
> well.

_3_

-normal speaker
-"harp"
-"gong"

the 4th that the SIOM talks about is still under developement as far as I
know (I follow rather weakly ;)

> But....

ah ah  !!!

> You are right on the hetrodyne.  So far by mixing two of the outputs from the
> AS VCO into the AS VCA I am able to get a pleasant sound that is not unlike
> the sound of the Ondes on the recordings I have.

As said on the ASys site a close aproximation is a sine, this said, I don't
know the "defaults" a sine should have to be really close to a RCA valve
theremin or an OndesŠ Have an idea?

Theory in heterodyne is that the resultant wave is sineŠ But I'm sure
there's much more into it.

I should look at a theremin outpout on an oscilloscope maybe (easier to come
by than an Onde)

> A minimal setup, but all my current budget allows.  More soon.   It has been a
> blast so far.  I am not a keyboard player even... so much to learn.. but so
> far a theme from Mother Goose by Ravel, and a great piece for Ondes by Jacques
> Charpentier.  Far from perfected, but I am on my way!

Keep up the good work :D

Denis U]

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lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                http://www.macmusic.org

I can see you are an Ondes fan as well!

The fourth speaker I mentioned was a concert hall version of the resonating speakers.  It is mentioned in Loriod's method book volume one.  The resonating speakers were too quiet for the concert hall so another one was developed that offered an alternative that was amplified.

Anyway... nice to meet another who is interested in the Ondes.



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le 12/10/03 16:40, Bryan Lowe à kingfm@yahoo.com a écrit :

> I can see you are an Ondes fan as well!

kind of bizare fascination ;)
 
> The fourth speaker I mentioned was a concert hall version of the resonating
> speakers.  It is mentioned in Loriod's method book volume one.  The resonating
> speakers were too quiet for the concert hall so another one was developed that
> offered an alternative that was amplified.

Never heard of this one before, but the CIOM is working on a 4th real one
(not a supersized, but a "radical" developement like the "harp" and the
"gong") but I don't know where they are into the developement.

This said I may ask friends on that.

> Anyway... nice to meet another who is interested in the Ondes.

electronic music porn! :D

Denis U]

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I am a classical musician and haven't dabbled before in electronic music.

My question about the ondes is this:

How do they get the strings and the gong to resonate?  One website talks of a screw being connected to the gong, but it is a site that has used an electronic translation.  All the sites talk of a transducer, but that could be an artifact of the electronic translation.  Either way, there IS some sort of direct resonating effect... more than just strings vibrating because the speaker is loud.

Any ideas?



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le 12/10/03 20:19, Bryan Lowe à kingfm@yahoo.com a écrit :

> 
> I am a classical musician and haven't dabbled before in electronic music.
> 
> My question about the ondes is this:
> 
> How do they get the strings and the gong to resonate?  One website talks of a
> screw being connected to the gong, but it is a site that has used an
> electronic translation.  All the sites talk of a transducer, but that could be
> an artifact of the electronic translation.  Either way, there IS some sort of
> direct resonating effect... more than just strings vibrating because the
> speaker is loud.
> 
> Any ideas?

Save by the "sympathy" I don't seeŠ (resonance to common harmonic
wavelentghs)

Denis U]

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