Analogue systems

Hi.

I just got an A-119 External Input module and I must say I got very 
dissapointed.
Using the line level input to send signal from my mixing desks 
busses to the A-119, I found that it is very hard to get a 
consistent signal going in the A-119 that will drive it correctly 
(i.e. sound not cutting out, even with the threshold at the minimum 
value, or overdrive it too much). Also the A-119 does not do a good 
job at "creating" an envelope of the incoming signal. If I use say a 
16th bass pattern from AbSynth going in the A-119, the A-119 does 
cannot "follow" the incoming signal correctly and the triggering is 
pretty unacceptable...

It works OK with slower signals like pads and such, but there is 
quite a bit of noise induced (more than I would have imagined).

The A-119 is brand spanking new, I just got it yesterday. Is this 
the case with all A-119s? Is the Analog Solutions envelope follower 
any better than the A-119?

One more thing, I've been getting loads of e-mails from the Doepfer 
list, but cannot reply to them. How do you reply to the Doepfer 
yahoo list? Bakkis?


Peace out.

Nectarios.

hello nectarios,

i have 4x a119 and i don't have any problems with the
envelope follower or the generated trigger. i also
have no problems with noise intruding the signal path.

but i have to admit, that the last purchased a119 generates
envelopes which are a bit different when compared with
my older ones. seems that the newer one responds a bit faster
and the result is that the envelope attack- and release times
are shorter, but it is just a tiny difference.
maybe the integrated slew limiter rolls off at a
higher frequency now. i don't know if doepfer changed something
in the design. after all it was no problem for me.
another thing, it is a good idea to use a compressor in
front of the a119 input, i often do so.

maybe your a119 is broken? you should contact doepfer
directly, they will help you for sure.

regarding the analogue systems envelope follower (does
analogue solution have one too?), it works really well,
especially because it features variable slew time.
but you need an additional input module to get the
a119 functionality.

best wishes

ingo



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-- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nectarios01" 
<nectariosm@h...> wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I just got an A-119 External Input module and I must say I got very 
> dissapointed.
> Using the line level input to send signal from my mixing desks 
> busses to the A-119, I found that it is very hard to get a 
> consistent signal going in the A-119 that will drive it correctly 
> (i.e. sound not cutting out, even with the threshold at the minimum 
> value, or overdrive it too much). Also the A-119 does not do a good 
> job at "creating" an envelope of the incoming signal. If I use say 
a 

> 16th bass pattern from AbSynth going in the A-119, the A-119 does 
> cannot "follow" the incoming signal correctly and the triggering is 
> pretty unacceptable...
> 
> It works OK with slower signals like pads and such, but there is 
> quite a bit of noise induced (more than I would have imagined).
> 
> The A-119 is brand spanking new, I just got it yesterday. Is this 
> the case with all A-119s? Is the Analog Solutions envelope follower 
> any better than the A-119?
> 
> One more thing, I've been getting loads of e-mails from the Doepfer 
> list, but cannot reply to them. How do you reply to the Doepfer 
> yahoo list? Bakkis?
> 
> 
> Peace out.
> 
> Nectarios.

hello nectarie,
first of all, you have replied to the analogue systems
list?  :-)
all you have to do ,in order to reply to the
doepfer_a100 group,is to reply to the messages,either
from the a100 group home page,or from your email page.
as for the a119,mine work ok.the envelope follower of
the a119 i don't think that can exactly follow fast
notes like your example.i don't know if your
"problems" have to do with your particular a119, or it
is the way that the a119 works.better ask dieter
doepfer direct.
email: hardware@doepfer.de
bakis.




--- nectarios01 <nectariosm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I just got an A-119 External Input module and I must
> say I got very 
> dissapointed.
> Using the line level input to send signal from my
> mixing desks 
> busses to the A-119, I found that it is very hard to
> get a 
> consistent signal going in the A-119 that will drive
> it correctly 
> (i.e. sound not cutting out, even with the threshold
> at the minimum 
> value, or overdrive it too much). Also the A-119
> does not do a good 
> job at "creating" an envelope of the incoming
> signal. If I use say a 
> 16th bass pattern from AbSynth going in the A-119,
> the A-119 does 
> cannot "follow" the incoming signal correctly and
> the triggering is 
> pretty unacceptable...
> 
> It works OK with slower signals like pads and such,
> but there is 
> quite a bit of noise induced (more than I would have
> imagined).
> 
> The A-119 is brand spanking new, I just got it
> yesterday. Is this 
> the case with all A-119s? Is the Analog Solutions
> envelope follower 
> any better than the A-119?
> 
> One more thing, I've been getting loads of e-mails
> from the Doepfer 
> list, but cannot reply to them. How do you reply to
> the Doepfer 
> yahoo list? Bakkis?
> 
> 
> Peace out.
> 
> Nectarios.
> 
> 


=====
Bakis Sirros
Parallel Worlds / Polariton
Athens-Greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.rubber.gr
http://www.ward12.com

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Thaks for replying so fast people.
Bakkis I have tried to reply to the Doepfer yahoo list, but I get a 
messages saying that "I can only reply to the list by plain text" 
(what ever that means).
What is the yahoo doepfer list's address, so I can write back from 
there?
Please excuse my internet ignorance.

So, the A-119 cannot track fast incoming signals...That is 
dissapointing. I guess I'll have to duplicate the soft synth Midi 
sequence for the A-100, and trigger the A-140 via Midi and try to 
keep it "tight" like that...
Can't have it all for £45 I guess, but let me say that there is 
*much* room for improvement on the A-119.

Peace out.

Nectarios.

nectarios, you are not alone.  i was pretty disappointed at the poor sound =

quality of the a119 too.  been considering getting an ASys one hoping it'll=
 
sound better.    as for the slow response of the env follower, mine respond=
s to 
16th notes ok.  maybe the envelope is having trouble responding to the audi=
o 
frequency of your 16th notes.  is it a low bass line?  could be related to =
the 
crappy audio input not hearing the fundamental frequencies.
-psm



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nectarios01" <
nectariosm@h...> wrote:

> Thaks for replying so fast people.
> Bakkis I have tried to reply to the Doepfer yahoo list, but I get a 
> messages saying that "I can only reply to the list by plain text" 
> (what ever that means).
> What is the yahoo doepfer list's address, so I can write back from 
> there?
> Please excuse my internet ignorance.
> 
> So, the A-119 cannot track fast incoming signals...That is 
> dissapointing. I guess I'll have to duplicate the soft synth Midi 
> sequence for the A-100, and trigger the A-140 via Midi and try to 
> keep it "tight" like that...
> Can't have it all for £45 I guess, but let me say that there is 
> *much* room for improvement on the A-119.
> 
> Peace out.
> 
> Nectarios.

hello nectarios,

just to point that out, i have absolutely no problems using
the a119 with percussive input signals. i do so all the time.

maybe it is because your input signal is too short, but then you
will have problems with all other envelope followers too.

best wishes

ingo



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nectarios01" 
<nectariosm@h...> wrote:

> Thaks for replying so fast people.
> Bakkis I have tried to reply to the Doepfer yahoo list, but I get a 
> messages saying that "I can only reply to the list by plain text" 
> (what ever that means).
> What is the yahoo doepfer list's address, so I can write back from 
> there?
> Please excuse my internet ignorance.
> 
> So, the A-119 cannot track fast incoming signals...That is 
> dissapointing. I guess I'll have to duplicate the soft synth Midi 
> sequence for the A-100, and trigger the A-140 via Midi and try to 
> keep it "tight" like that...
> Can't have it all for £45 I guess, but let me say that there is 
> *much* room for improvement on the A-119.
> 
> Peace out.
> 
> Nectarios.

not sure where these '=' signs are coming from.  makes reading my last post a 
chore.  sorry.                                    = = = =?????




--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "ps_minor" <pscottm@h...> 
wrote:
> nectarios, you are not alone.  i was pretty disappointed at the poor sound =
> 
> quality of the a119 too.  been considering getting an ASys one hoping it'll=
>  
> sound better.    as for the slow response of the env follower, mine respond=
> s to 
> 16th notes ok.  maybe the envelope is having trouble responding to the 
audi=

> o 
> frequency of your 16th notes.  is it a low bass line?  could be related to =
> the 
> crappy audio input not hearing the fundamental frequencies.
> -psm
> 
> 
>

Hi,
I have no problems with my a119 either.
It responds perfect to my beats, either slow complex or just fast 
drum n bass style beats.
Maybe ingo is right, could be your input that is either not loud, 
clear or long enough, or a broken module....definetly doesn't sound 
right i would get it looked at.

Is it a broken cable perhaps? try different cables.

if all fails you could just trigger the envelopes in time with the 
beat using your sequencer.


john



--- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" 
<synaptic_music@y...> wrote:
> 
> hello nectarios,
> 
> just to point that out, i have absolutely no problems using
> the a119 with percussive input signals. i do so all the time.
> 
> maybe it is because your input signal is too short, but then you
> will have problems with all other envelope followers too.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In analogue_systems@yahoogroups.com, "nectarios01" 
> <nectariosm@h...> wrote:
> > Thaks for replying so fast people.
> > Bakkis I have tried to reply to the Doepfer yahoo list, but I 
get a 
> > messages saying that "I can only reply to the list by plain 
text" 
> > (what ever that means).
> > What is the yahoo doepfer list's address, so I can write back 
from 
> > there?
> > Please excuse my internet ignorance.
> > 
> > So, the A-119 cannot track fast incoming signals...That is 
> > dissapointing. I guess I'll have to duplicate the soft synth 
Midi 
> > sequence for the A-100, and trigger the A-140 via Midi and try 
to 

> > keep it "tight" like that...
> > Can't have it all for £45 I guess, but let me say that there is 
> > *much* room for improvement on the A-119.
> > 
> > Peace out.
> > 
> > Nectarios.