Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi People.

I have Propellerheads Reason V4, Midi USB linked via my laptop to an M-
Audio Oxygen V2 Midi KB and then USB linked to my BCR2000.  Well, I say 
Midi linked, the Oxygen works ok with Reason via the USB link but the 
BCR I am having problems with.
Is there a way of using the Oxygen to play notes and to use the 
rotary's on it to alter parameters (buttons) plus also using the BCR to 
alter parameters (buttons)?
I have a Midiman USB Midisport 2x2 Midi interface and several link 
leads if that needs to be used at all???
Also, how do you program the rotary buttons on the Oxygen (or the BCR) 
to actually move the buttons on the Reason program?

I am new to all this and probably am not exactly putting this across 
very well but any help will be appreciated.

Thanks
Jim

Can anyone help with this please???

Thanks
Jim


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Burrill (UK)" <smogthemog@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi People.
> 
> I have Propellerheads Reason V4, Midi USB linked via my laptop to 
an M-
> Audio Oxygen V2 Midi KB and then USB linked to my BCR2000.  Well, I 
say 
> Midi linked, the Oxygen works ok with Reason via the USB link but 
the 
> BCR I am having problems with.
> Is there a way of using the Oxygen to play notes and to use the 
> rotary's on it to alter parameters (buttons) plus also using the 
BCR to 
> alter parameters (buttons)?
> I have a Midiman USB Midisport 2x2 Midi interface and several link 
> leads if that needs to be used at all???
> Also, how do you program the rotary buttons on the Oxygen (or the 
BCR) 
> to actually move the buttons on the Reason program?
> 
> I am new to all this and probably am not exactly putting this 
across 

> very well but any help will be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Jim
>

Sorry Jim, I thought there might be an Oxygen2 user out there.

The BCR  works really well with Reason. You simply select it as a
controller and it will take over the BCR. I think it is the best
implementation of a control surface for the BCR . Much better than
Sonar's ACT
Reason will provide feedback when you swap from one device to another
or change the patches.

Only have Reason version 3 - but this might help

Turn on the BCR and the O2.
Either plug the O2 into the USB or the Midi Interface and get that
working. 
Try using MidiOx (downloadable freeware) to make sure that you have a
connection.

For a USB connected BCR hold down "edit" & press "Store".
You're now in in global mode - twist the top left knob till the
display reads "U-1"
Press 'Exit'

For a Midi connected BCR hold down "edit" & press "Store".
 - twist the top left knob till the display reads "S-1"
Press 'Exit'

Reason Menu  - Edit/Preferences 
Select the page "Control Surfaces and Keyboards"
Add the BCR and if there isn't a O2 on offer just select the 'generic'
keyboard or something closer.
Then try pressing "auto detect Surfaces"
Hopefully this is all you'll need to do.

> > I have Propellerheads Reason V4, Midi USB linked via my laptop to 
> an M-
> > Audio Oxygen V2 Midi KB and then USB linked to my BCR2000.  Well, I 
> say 
> > Midi linked, the Oxygen works ok with Reason via the USB link but 
> the 
> > BCR I am having problems with.
> > Is there a way of using the Oxygen to play notes and to use the 
> > rotary's on it to alter parameters (buttons) plus also using the 
> BCR to 
> > alter parameters (buttons)?
> > I have a Midiman USB Midisport 2x2 Midi interface and several link 
> > leads if that needs to be used at all???
> > Also, how do you program the rotary buttons on the Oxygen (or the 
> BCR) 
> > to actually move the buttons on the Reason program?
> > 

You don't need to. Reason will take over the BCR for you.
When setting things up, when you start Reason in the future and when
swapping from one device to another you'll see the BCR display light
up and 'spin round'
This is Reason setting up the controls
When it has finished (assuming a song has been loaded) click on the
'In' area in the track pane to select a device and then move the knobs
on the BCR to see what is knobs move on the Reason device.

Hope this helps

Royce

WOW - Thanks Royce that was very good sound (no pun intended 
there :o) ) advice.
It's now all working fine but can you assign BCR buttons (or O8v2 for 
that matter) to individual Reason buttons yourself?

Thanks
Jim




--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry Jim, I thought there might be an Oxygen2 user out there.
> 
> The BCR  works really well with Reason. You simply select it as a
> controller and it will take over the BCR. I think it is the best
> implementation of a control surface for the BCR . Much better than
> Sonar's ACT
> Reason will provide feedback when you swap from one device to 
another
> or change the patches.
> 
> Only have Reason version 3 - but this might help
> 
> Turn on the BCR and the O2.
> Either plug the O2 into the USB or the Midi Interface and get that
> working. 
> Try using MidiOx (downloadable freeware) to make sure that you have 
a
> connection.
> 
> For a USB connected BCR hold down "edit" & press "Store".
> You're now in in global mode - twist the top left knob till the
> display reads "U-1"
> Press 'Exit'
> 
> For a Midi connected BCR hold down "edit" & press "Store".
>  - twist the top left knob till the display reads "S-1"
> Press 'Exit'
> 
> Reason Menu  - Edit/Preferences 
> Select the page "Control Surfaces and Keyboards"
> Add the BCR and if there isn't a O2 on offer just select 
the 'generic'
> keyboard or something closer.
> Then try pressing "auto detect Surfaces"
> Hopefully this is all you'll need to do.
> 
> > > I have Propellerheads Reason V4, Midi USB linked via my laptop 
to 
> > an M-
> > > Audio Oxygen V2 Midi KB and then USB linked to my BCR2000.  
Well, I 
> > say 
> > > Midi linked, the Oxygen works ok with Reason via the USB link 
but 
> > the 
> > > BCR I am having problems with.
> > > Is there a way of using the Oxygen to play notes and to use the 
> > > rotary's on it to alter parameters (buttons) plus also using 
the 
> > BCR to 
> > > alter parameters (buttons)?
> > > I have a Midiman USB Midisport 2x2 Midi interface and several 
link 
> > > leads if that needs to be used at all???
> > > Also, how do you program the rotary buttons on the Oxygen (or 
the 
> > BCR) 
> > > to actually move the buttons on the Reason program?
> > > 
> 
> You don't need to. Reason will take over the BCR for you.
> When setting things up, when you start Reason in the future and when
> swapping from one device to another you'll see the BCR display light
> up and 'spin round'
> This is Reason setting up the controls
> When it has finished (assuming a song has been loaded) click on the
> 'In' area in the track pane to select a device and then move the 
knobs

> on the BCR to see what is knobs move on the Reason device.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Royce
>

Hi Jim,
> WOW - Thanks Royce that was very good sound (no pun intended 
> there :o) ) advice.

glad it worked out.

> It's now all working fine but can you assign BCR buttons (or O8v2 for 
> that matter) to individual Reason buttons yourself?

I've never had the need to.

What do you want to do in particular?

Sorry for the delay in the reply - I wish to assign my own buttons on 
the BCR to any button in Reason?
Can it be done?

Thanks for your help matey, it's appreciated.

Jim




--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
> > WOW - Thanks Royce that was very good sound (no pun intended 
> > there :o) ) advice.
> 
> glad it worked out.
> 
> > It's now all working fine but can you assign BCR buttons (or O8v2 
for 

> > that matter) to individual Reason buttons yourself?
> 
> I've never had the need to.
> 
> What do you want to do in particular?
>

Hi Jim
> Sorry for the delay in the reply - I wish to assign my own buttons on 
> the BCR to any button in Reason?
> Can it be done?
> 
Sure. But it is either all Reason=>BCR or all YourSelection=>BCR You
can't have Reason take over the BCR and you add a couple of things as
far as I know.

For YourSelection
De-select the BCR2000 in the preferences.
Add a new controller surface. 
In version 3 it is called "<other> Midi Controller Multichannel"

As Reason has probably taken over your BCR you will need to turn the
BCR off. If you are using the USB connection on the BCR, turning it
off will corrupt the Midi interface so you have to close Reason and
start it again.

Use the BCR factory preset "all controllers" or build a preset with
all the encoders and buttons as Continuous Controllers (CC) with
different Midi channels and/or CC numbers.

Right click on the control you are interested in and select "edit
remote override Mapping"
Select the "<other> Midi Controller Multichannel"
Tick the "Learn" check box and turn the encoder or press the button.
The control is now locked to the button/encoder on the BCR

Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>> I wish to assign my own buttons on 
>> the BCR to any button in Reason?
>> Can it be done?
>>
> Sure. But it is either all Reason=>BCR or all YourSelection=>BCR You
> can't have Reason take over the BCR and you add a couple of things as
> far as I know.

You CAN add your own assignments to Reason's standard mapping (at
least in Reason 4: I haven't tried Reason 3, but I suspect it works
there as well):

1. Let Reason control the BCR in "native" mode via Preferences -> 
Keyboards and Control Surfaces: "Behringer BCR2000".

2. Right-click on a Reason device (e.g. "Mixer 14:2"), and select
"Lock Behringer BCR2000 to This Device".

3. Enter Override Edit Mode via Options -> Remote Override Edit Mode.

4. Right-click on an UNASSIGNED control (i.e. one with a blue downward 
arrow - in this case e.g. "Channel 8 EQ On/Off") and choose "Edit
Remote Overriding Mode". This opens a dialog box.

5. Fiddle with the BCR control of your choice. Preferably this should
be one that isn't used already. (An easy way to check which ones are
used is via the upcoming BC Manager vs. 1.3.) In this example, press
Upper Row Button 8. Reason's dialog box should register this as "Upper
Row Button 8".

6. Leave the dialog box by pressing OK, and leave Override Edit Mode. 
Then press the BCR button again: the selected Reason control should
now respond. (The only problem is that the BCR button's LED doesn't
stick or respond to Reason.)

Mark.

Hello

Been trying things in reason4 and wanted to know if you could go from
one device to another with any control so I wouldn't have to mouse the
change...

That would be very helpfull, specially live but it could help a lot
while composing somthing

Thanks
Guido



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark van den Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@> wrote:
> >> I wish to assign my own buttons on 
> >> the BCR to any button in Reason?
> >> Can it be done?
> >>
> > Sure. But it is either all Reason=>BCR or all YourSelection=>BCR You
> > can't have Reason take over the BCR and you add a couple of things as
> > far as I know.
> 
> You CAN add your own assignments to Reason's standard mapping (at
> least in Reason 4: I haven't tried Reason 3, but I suspect it works
> there as well):
> 
> 1. Let Reason control the BCR in "native" mode via Preferences -> 
> Keyboards and Control Surfaces: "Behringer BCR2000".
> 
> 2. Right-click on a Reason device (e.g. "Mixer 14:2"), and select
> "Lock Behringer BCR2000 to This Device".
> 
> 3. Enter Override Edit Mode via Options -> Remote Override Edit Mode.
> 
> 4. Right-click on an UNASSIGNED control (i.e. one with a blue downward 
> arrow - in this case e.g. "Channel 8 EQ On/Off") and choose "Edit
> Remote Overriding Mode". This opens a dialog box.
> 
> 5. Fiddle with the BCR control of your choice. Preferably this should
> be one that isn't used already. (An easy way to check which ones are
> used is via the upcoming BC Manager vs. 1.3.) In this example, press
> Upper Row Button 8. Reason's dialog box should register this as "Upper
> Row Button 8".
> 
> 6. Leave the dialog box by pressing OK, and leave Override Edit Mode. 
> Then press the BCR button again: the selected Reason control should
> now respond. (The only problem is that the BCR button's LED doesn't
> stick or respond to Reason.)
> 
> Mark.
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "guidoronconi" <guidoronconi@...> wrote:
> Been trying things in reason4 and wanted to know if you could go from
> one device to another with any control so I wouldn't have to mouse the
> change...

You mean changing the assignment of the BCR from one Reason device to
another? Hm, I can't immediately think of a way, but I'm not using
Reason every day...

However, I do know there is a way you can assign the BCR to up to 16
different Reason devices SIMULTANEOUSLY. I know this isn't exactly
what you were asking for, but in any case, (if I remember correctly)
it goes like this:

Instead of using Reason's "native" support for the BCR (i.e. via
Reason's "Keyboards and Control Surfaces" page), you define the BCR as
an "External Control" (e.g. "Bus A") on the "Advanced Control" page of
Reason's "Preferences" dialog box.
Then you assign individual Reason devices to individual MIDI channels
on the panel opened via the "Adv. MIDI device" button in the "Hardware
interface" device (at the top of Reason 4's device rack).
Finally you have to assign Control Change messages to BCR buttons and
encoders for the Reason device parameters of your choice, using the
correct MIDI channels and the controller numbers specified in Reason
4's "MIDI Implementation Charts.pdf".

So this involves quite a bit of "manual labor". Moreover, it might not
work in all respects (e.g. I can't remember if you can have parameter
feedback this way). Still, it might be useful in certain situations.

Mark.