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NRPN resolution: Micron

NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-06-25 by hubert_langlois

Hi,

I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original Behringer
(crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls. Since
then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This also
happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format for the
Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 

Thanks,
Hubert

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-06-25 by k5kip_1999

Try some really low resolutions like 10, or 20...
so maybe something like ...
10, 24, 48, 96
So when you spin fast you get that stepping, which might be
interesting, but when you go slow you don't get it.
Kip
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "hubert_langlois" <hubert_langlois@...>
wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
> I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original Behringer
> (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls. Since
> then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
> tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This also
> happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
> lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
> this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format for the
> Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Hubert
>

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-06-25 by k5kip_1999

It might help if you post your .tx also.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "hubert_langlois" <hubert_langlois@...>
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hi,
> 
> I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original Behringer
> (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls. Since
> then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
> tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This also
> happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
> lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
> this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format for the
> Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Hubert
>

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-06-25 by k5kip_1999

Ouch... sorry, you are not sending a .tx are you!
Sorry.
Just an nrpn.
I asked because I was doing something with nrpn, but I was having a
knob do different things based on direction of turn, therefore I
needed to do it in a .tx statment.
Never mind.
Kip
--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@...> wrote:
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>
> Try some really low resolutions like 10, or 20...
> so maybe something like ...
> 10, 24, 48, 96
> So when you spin fast you get that stepping, which might be
> interesting, but when you go slow you don't get it.
> Kip
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "hubert_langlois" <hubert_langlois@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original Behringer
> > (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> > BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls. Since
> > then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
> > tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This also
> > happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
> > lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
> > this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> > ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format for the
> > Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Hubert
> >
>

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-06-26 by rpcfender

Hi Hubert
> It might help if you post your .tx also.

Are you using an editor?
Normally it is better if you can post some of the script that isn't
working 

> > I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original Behringer
> > (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> > BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls. Since
> > then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
> > tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This also
> > happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
> > lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
> > this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> > ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format for the
> > Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 

You might like to try resolutions that are related to the default 96
ie 96 / 2 = 48
The encoders appear to have a physical resolution of 96.
This is 3.75 degrees between values which can be a bit hard to control.

If you are editing using the script try
.resolution 48 ; which is the same as .resolution 48 48 48 48

Setting it at 48 means you have to turn twice as far to get to the
next value (7.5 degrees). You could try 24 or 12 or 6 etc

Let me know how you get on.
There are quite a few posts on this subject that you might like to
look through.

All the best

Royce

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-09-17 by hubert_langlois

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Hubert
> > It might help if you post your .tx also.
> 
> Are you using an editor?
> Normally it is better if you can post some of the script that isn't
> working 
> 
> > > I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original
Behringer
> > > (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> > > BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls.
Since
> > > then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e. the bcr
> > > tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This
also
> > > happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else. Even
> > > lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are giving
> > > this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> > > ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format
for the
> > > Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 
> 
> You might like to try resolutions that are related to the default 96
> ie 96 / 2 = 48
> The encoders appear to have a physical resolution of 96.
> This is 3.75 degrees between values which can be a bit hard to control.
> 
> If you are editing using the script try
> .resolution 48 ; which is the same as .resolution 48 48 48 48
> 
> Setting it at 48 means you have to turn twice as far to get to the
> next value (7.5 degrees). You could try 24 or 12 or 6 etc
> 
> Let me know how you get on.
> There are quite a few posts on this subject that you might like to
> look through.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Royce
>


Thanks everyone for your answers. I haven't been able to work any
further on this issue until recently; my apologies for the late
feedback. Last few days I did some extensive testing with Midi-Ox to
see where exactly the problem was and what the exact Midi output was.
It seems that the problem is global for the BCR2000 and not only
concerning NRPN parameters. 

> The encoders appear to have a physical resolution of 96.
> This is 3.75 degrees between values which can be a bit hard to control.

If I interpret this well, this means that regardless how fast or how
slow a knob is twisted (when .resolution 96 and range 0-96, mode:
absolute) I should monitor 96 Midi messages in Midi-Ox. So I set up a
CC message , put the .resolution 96 and noticed that Midi-Ox was only
receiving +-6-10 Midi messages when turning the knob quite fast, when
turning at a slower rate it still didn't give me the full 96
resolution. Repeated tests in new templates showed the same result. I
tried all kind of setups, downgraded the OS, upgraded again, different
knobs etc...
Strange is that I remember not to have these issues when using the BCR
out of the box. They seem to have appeared after experimenting with
the resolution. 

> It might help if you post your .tx also.

By which you mean .txt? How can I attach such a file to my post (or
should I upload it to the files section?)

Kind regards,
Hubert

Re: NRPN resolution: Micron

2008-09-30 by hubert_langlois

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "hubert_langlois" <hubert_langlois@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" <rpcfender@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Hubert
> > > It might help if you post your .tx also.
> > 
> > Are you using an editor?
> > Normally it is better if you can post some of the script that isn't
> > working 
> > 
> > > > I've made a template for my Alesis Micron with the original
> Behringer
> > > > (crap) editor. This worked. Next I've adapted this template in
> > > > BCRManager and experimented a bit with the resolution controls.
> Since
> > > > then I've encountered some problems with the resolution i.e.
the bcr
> > > > tends to skip values which translates in hearable stepping. This
> also
> > > > happens with parameters I only changed the name, nothing else.
Even
> > > > lower resolutions (e.g. 96), lower then previous settings are
giving
> > > > this problem. I did check the documentation and experimented with
> > > > ifferent values. Someone knows a way to solve this? The format
> for the
> > > > Micron is 14-bit NRPN. 
> > 
> > You might like to try resolutions that are related to the default 96
> > ie 96 / 2 = 48
> > The encoders appear to have a physical resolution of 96.
> > This is 3.75 degrees between values which can be a bit hard to
control.
> > 
> > If you are editing using the script try
> > .resolution 48 ; which is the same as .resolution 48 48 48 48
> > 
> > Setting it at 48 means you have to turn twice as far to get to the
> > next value (7.5 degrees). You could try 24 or 12 or 6 etc
> > 
> > Let me know how you get on.
> > There are quite a few posts on this subject that you might like to
> > look through.
> > 
> > All the best
> > 
> > Royce
> >
> 
> 
> Thanks everyone for your answers. I haven't been able to work any
> further on this issue until recently; my apologies for the late
> feedback. Last few days I did some extensive testing with Midi-Ox to
> see where exactly the problem was and what the exact Midi output was.
> It seems that the problem is global for the BCR2000 and not only
> concerning NRPN parameters. 
> 
> > The encoders appear to have a physical resolution of 96.
> > This is 3.75 degrees between values which can be a bit hard to
control.
> 
> If I interpret this well, this means that regardless how fast or how
> slow a knob is twisted (when .resolution 96 and range 0-96, mode:
> absolute) I should monitor 96 Midi messages in Midi-Ox. So I set up a
> CC message , put the .resolution 96 and noticed that Midi-Ox was only
> receiving +-6-10 Midi messages when turning the knob quite fast, when
> turning at a slower rate it still didn't give me the full 96
> resolution. Repeated tests in new templates showed the same result. I
> tried all kind of setups, downgraded the OS, upgraded again, different
> knobs etc...
> Strange is that I remember not to have these issues when using the BCR
> out of the box. They seem to have appeared after experimenting with
> the resolution. 
> 
> > It might help if you post your .tx also.
> 
> By which you mean .txt? How can I attach such a file to my post (or
> should I upload it to the files section?)
> 
> Kind regards,
> Hubert
>


Hi,

Basically, I'd like to know if the above mentioned problem is normal.
If so I can continue to work on the problem or look for a workaround.
If not, I fear it goes straight into the garbage bin (no more warranty).

Thanks,

Hubert

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