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I have a strange  bug that I can't figure out.  Any help would be much appreciated.

I have a BCR2000 with the latest firmware and drivers installed on Windows XP SP3.  I have been using BC Manager 1.5 and just recently installed 1.51.

Problem:  When I transfer a preset from BC Manager, it doesn't matter what midi channel I have set, it always ends up being channel 16 after transferring to the BCR.  I know that I can change the channel manually with the BCR, but that kind of defeats the purpose of BC Manager

Any suggestions/tips?

Thanks,
joel

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, joel stover <smokeystovernyc@...> wrote:
> Problem:  When I transfer a preset from BC Manager, it doesn't
matter what midi channel I have set, it always ends up being channel
16 after transferring to the BCR.  I know that I can change the
channel manually with the BCR, but that kind of defeats the purpose of
BC Manager

Strange.

Are you talking about the MIDI channels of individual button/encoder
definitions (as set on the "Standard output" tab, e.g. for CC messages)?
And what do you mean by "it always ends up being channel 16" (and how
have you tested that)?

Mark.

Did you change the channel first before trying the preset?
I have found that if I send a preset, for the bcr to settle I have to
switch the preset to something else then come back.
If you are using the preset buttons you might have to cycle the power
on the bcr.
Try that, if you haven't already.
Maybe post your preset so we can look at what you are doing...
Kip

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, smokeystovernyc <smokeystovernyc@...>
wrote:
>
> Mark,
> 
> Yes, I am referring to the individual channels assigned to buttons
and encoders.  In BC Manager, I have, for example, all of the cc's in
preset 3 set to send on channel 3.  Then, I send the preset to the
BCR2000, and it receives the preset succuesfully.  However, when I
check the  channel for each button and encoder by accessing the
BCR2000 edit menu, channel 16 is assigned to each one.  I have
verified this by monitoring the midi output with Bome's Midi
Translator...channel 16 for everything.
> 
> Thanks for the reply, Mark.
> 
> joel  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark van den Berg <markwinvdb@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:29 PM
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: BC Manager midi channel issue
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, joel stover <smokeystovernyc@> wrote:
>  > Problem: When I transfer a preset from BC Manager, it doesn't
>  matter what midi channel I have set, it always ends up being channel
>  16 after transferring to the BCR. I know that I can change the
>  channel manually with the BCR, but that kind of defeats the purpose of
>  BC Manager
> 
>  Strange.
> 
>  Are you talking about the MIDI channels of individual button/encoder
>  definitions (as set on the "Standard output" tab, e.g. for CC
messages)?
>  And what do you mean by "it always ends up being channel 16" (and how
>  have you tested that)?
> 
>  Mark.
> 
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I have the same issue. Change preset and come back or power off/on. I think it s because the BCx keeps the last used one on the buffer... 2009/1/1 k5kip_1999

Argh.... I meant did you change the preset...
after you send it push the preset button then come back to the preset
you want to use.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@...> wrote:
>
> Did you change the channel first before trying the preset?
> I have found that if I send a preset, for the bcr to settle I have to
> switch the preset to something else then come back.
> If you are using the preset buttons you might have to cycle the power
> on the bcr.
> Try that, if you haven't already.
> Maybe post your preset so we can look at what you are doing...
> Kip
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, smokeystovernyc <smokeystovernyc@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> > 
> > Yes, I am referring to the individual channels assigned to buttons
> and encoders.  In BC Manager, I have, for example, all of the cc's in
> preset 3 set to send on channel 3.  Then, I send the preset to the
> BCR2000, and it receives the preset succuesfully.  However, when I
> check the  channel for each button and encoder by accessing the
> BCR2000 edit menu, channel 16 is assigned to each one.  I have
> verified this by monitoring the midi output with Bome's Midi
> Translator...channel 16 for everything.
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply, Mark.
> > 
> > joel  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark van den Berg <markwinvdb@>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:29 PM
> > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BC Manager midi channel issue
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, joel stover <smokeystovernyc@> wrote:
> >  > Problem: When I transfer a preset from BC Manager, it doesn't
> >  matter what midi channel I have set, it always ends up being channel
> >  16 after transferring to the BCR. I know that I can change the
> >  channel manually with the BCR, but that kind of defeats the
purpose of

> >  BC Manager
> > 
> >  Strange.
> > 
> >  Are you talking about the MIDI channels of individual button/encoder
> >  definitions (as set on the "Standard output" tab, e.g. for CC
> messages)?
> >  And what do you mean by "it always ends up being channel 16" (and how
> >  have you tested that)?
> > 
> >  Mark.
> > 
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--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, smokeystovernyc <smokeystovernyc@...>
wrote:
> So, send the preset from BC Manager to the BCR. Then change the preset 
> on the BCR and return back to the preset you just sent and save.

> For me, that extra step of changing the preset and returning doesn't 
> flow very well. But that is crucial, and it is what it is.

Yes, this is simply how the BCR works: the display innocently shows
"P-..", but in fact the "temporary preset" is the only preset that you
can edit on the BCR itself and the only one that sends controller
data. The memory presets can only be accessed if you copy them to the
temporary preset.

The distinction between temporary and memory presets is a common one
on synths etc., but always liable to give rise to confusion of the
"did I save my changes?" type.

I think that the fact that BC Manager allows you to (seemingly) bypass
the temporary preset by saving a memory preset directly is a good
thing, but I admit that it can be confusing.

However, the BCR of course DOES respond automatically when you send it
the temporary patch ("patch 0") from BC Manager (you can even send
individual buttons/encoders of the temporary preset, which is great
while you're building up your presets). But then of course if you like
these temporary settings, you ultimately have to copy them to a memory
preset (either via the STORE button on the BCR itself or by means of
BC Manager).

> I must have 
> missed this detail in the BC Manager manual. It should be in big, bold, 
> underlined print :)

I'll see what I can do...! (Actually, I sometimes feel that there are
so many crucial points that we might end up with half the manual in
bold...)

Mark.

Glad to hear that was it!
Kip

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, smokeystovernyc <smokeystovernyc@...>
wrote:
>
> Kip:
> 
> This worked!
> 
> So, send the preset from BC Manager to the BCR.  Then change the
preset on the BCR and return back to the preset you just sent and save.
> 
> For me, that extra step of changing the preset and returning doesn't
flow very well.   But that is crucial, and it is what it is.  I must
have missed this detail in the BC Manager manual.  It should be in
big, bold, underlined print :)
> 
> Thanks very much for this power tip.  I'm working on a step
sequencer preset for Kore 2 and Live 7, and this midi channel issue
was impeding progress.
> 
> joel 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k5kip_1999 <k5kip_1999@...>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:11 AM
> To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bc2000] Re: BC Manager midi channel issue
> 
> Argh.... I meant did you change the preset...
>  after you send it push the preset button then come back to the preset
>  you want to use.
> 
>  --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Did you change the channel first before trying the preset?
>  > I have found that if I send a preset, for the bcr to settle I have to
>  > switch the preset to something else then come back.
>  > If you are using the preset buttons you might have to cycle the power
>  > on the bcr.
>  > Try that, if you haven't already.
>  > Maybe post your preset so we can look at what you are doing...
>  > Kip
>  >
>  > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, smokeystovernyc <smokeystovernyc@>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Mark,
>  > >
>  > > Yes, I am referring to the individual channels assigned to buttons
>  > and encoders. In BC Manager, I have, for example, all of the cc's in
>  > preset 3 set to send on channel 3. Then, I send the preset to the
>  > BCR2000, and it receives the preset succuesfully. However, when I
>  > check the channel for each button and encoder by accessing the
>  > BCR2000 edit menu, channel 16 is assigned to each one. I have
>  > verified this by monitoring the midi output with Bome's Midi
>  > Translator...channel 16 for everything.
>  > >
>  > > Thanks for the reply, Mark.
>  > >
>  > > joel
>  > >
>  > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > From: Mark van den Berg <markwinvdb@>
>  > > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:29 PM
>  > > To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
>  > > Subject: [bc2000] Re: BC Manager midi channel issue
>  > >
>  > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, joel stover <smokeystovernyc@>
wrote:
>  > > > Problem: When I transfer a preset from BC Manager, it doesn't
>  > > matter what midi channel I have set, it always ends up being
channel
>  > > 16 after transferring to the BCR. I know that I can change the
>  > > channel manually with the BCR, but that kind of defeats the
>  purpose of
>  > > BC Manager
>  > >
>  > > Strange.
>  > >
>  > > Are you talking about the MIDI channels of individual
button/encoder
>  > > definitions (as set on the "Standard output" tab, e.g. for CC
>  > messages)?
>  > > And what do you mean by "it always ends up being channel 16"
(and how
>  > > have you tested that)?
>  > >
>  > > Mark.
>  > >
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