Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi. I cannot for the life of me get the bcr to learn a vsti rotary
knob. What should the bc .syx setting look like in the preset to
acomplish this please?
Steve

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Is the vsti rotary knob you're talking about sending midi CC out
routed to your BCR?

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM, steve <stevesblues@...> wrote:
> Hi. I cannot for the life of me get the bcr to learn a vsti rotary
> knob. What should the bc .syx setting look like in the preset to
> acomplish this please?
> Steve
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Hi Steve

> Hi. I cannot for the life of me get the bcr to learn a vsti rotary
> knob. What should the bc .syx setting look like in the preset to
> acomplish this please?

I'm a little confused here.
Normally with VST software you set up the BCR/BCF to output a CC
(continious controller) Midi message and control+click or right mouse
click on the VST rotary and drop the VST into learn mode. Twist the
BCR control and the link is made to the VST.

What software are you using? PC/Mac?

What is the VSTi?

Royce

I suspect not Robert.
Can i assume all the vsts i have are incapable of doing so or is some
setup required 1st in the host - cubase ?

On 12/23/08, Robert Krueger <robert.krueger@...> wrote:
> Is the vsti rotary knob you're talking about sending midi CC out
> routed to your BCR?
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM, steve <stevesblues@...> wrote:
>> Hi. I cannot for the life of me get the bcr to learn a vsti rotary
>> knob. What should the bc .syx setting look like in the preset to
>> acomplish this please?
>> Steve
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--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, steve <stevesblues@...> wrote:
>
> I suspect not Robert.
> Can i assume all the vsts i have are incapable of doing so or is some
> setup required 1st in the host - cubase ?

If your VSTs do not provide MIDI learn, this could be a solution for
you: http://www.midevice.com/News.aspx

I'm primarly a user of Ableton Live. Any VST capabable plugin
parameter can be midi learned. It's as simple as turning on Midi Learn
in Ableton, selecting the parameter you wish to be controlled, and
then tweak the knob, slider, button on your controller.

I used to use Cubase SX2 and it had a similar feature, so find out in
your Cubase manual how to do midi learn on the parameter and tweak
your knob.

Most VSTis do not send midi out from my experience, so doing the learn
in reverse is not likely to work for you.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:03 AM, ivaasura <Sunrider7@...> wrote:
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, steve <stevesblues@...> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect not Robert.
>> Can i assume all the vsts i have are incapable of doing so or is some
>> setup required 1st in the host - cubase ?
>
> If your VSTs do not provide MIDI learn, this could be a solution for
> you: http://www.midevice.com/News.aspx
>
>

I find this is an annoying flaw in assigning controllers to Ableton Live 
knobs and sliders.  Movements in Ableton and saved positions should 
output on the control channel!  One of the reasons I bought the 
Behringer was that it has the lights which show the position of the 
controllers.  It works with the Mackie mode but I want to set it up 
differently.  One can use different takeover modes, but it's not a great 
solution as the knobs often don't react immediately.  The best solution 
I've come up with so far is to generally work in immediate update mode 
and then go into takeover mode (with a saved preset on the BCR) for live 
work.

The MIdevice plugin wrapper looks like it might solve this problem for 
VST devices, but it's not a solution for the volume faders.

Anyone know where Ableton are at with addressing this issue?

John


Robert Krueger wrote:

>
> I'm primarly a user of Ableton Live. Any VST capabable plugin
> parameter can be midi learned. It's as simple as turning on Midi Learn
> in Ableton, selecting the parameter you wish to be controlled, and
> then tweak the knob, slider, button on your controller.
>
> I used to use Cubase SX2 and it had a similar feature, so find out in
> your Cubase manual how to do midi learn on the parameter and tweak
> your knob.
>
> Most VSTis do not send midi out from my experience, so doing the learn
> in reverse is not likely to work for you.
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:03 AM, ivaasura <Sunrider7@... 
> <mailto:Sunrider7%40gmx.de>> wrote:
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> steve <stevesblues@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I suspect not Robert.
> >> Can i assume all the vsts i have are incapable of doing so or is some
> >> setup required 1st in the host - cubase ?
> >
> > If your VSTs do not provide MIDI learn, this could be a solution for
> > you: http://www.midevice.com/News.aspx 
> <http://www.midevice.com/News.aspx>
> >
> >
>
>

Without the bcr handy Im not sure but it sounds like Ive been doing it all backwards I understood the manual had instructions along the lines of (i) put the 

Encoders, a commonly used component in many synths, can be cleaned and/or replaced.  One does not need to replace a whole unit or synth due to one erratic encoder.  There are cleaners that are good and cleaners to be avoided for encoders....but I don't know which to advise for you....if there is no past message in the message archive with a successfully cleaning, also can search the Emu Command Station, Yamaha A4000 or Emu P2K, or others that use encoders with "jumping" problems....

Bob
El Segundo, CA


-----Original Message-----

>From: James Glover <james.glover@...>
>Sent: Dec 24, 2008 8:58 AM
>To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [bc2000] Broken encoder
>
>
>My top left encoder is acting very strangely, and I am assuming it is a hardware fault.
> 
>Rather than smoothly controlling the parameter it is assigned too, such as the pan, it moves it in a very jerky fashion. So when I scross right to left, the pan will move eratically, and in fact sometimes make small movements in the opposite direction. The acceleration on it is also messed up, and it is impossible to make an entire sweet with one quick twist.
> 
>I don't know if anyone else has had a similar issue, and whether there is any chance it can be fixed?
> 
>I'm assuming I need a whole new BCR :(
> 
>James.
>
>
>
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Hi James
perhaps you have already tried this but, before launching into
stripping the thing down, can I suggest that you swap the software
parameters of an encoder that you know is working for the one that isn't.

You can program the encoder to give these sort of results. Perhaps you
could give us the parameters you have set it up with.

Another check you might like to do is to push the knob to the side and
hold it while you twist it. Try holding in different directions.
Sometimes not all the connections on the encoder are successfully
soldered during manufacture and a small amount of pressure will cause
movement and will make/break the connection on one of the lugs.

All the best
Royce


>My top left encoder is acting very strangely, and I am assuming it is
a hardware fault.> >Rather than smoothly controlling the parameter it
is assigned too, such as the pan, it moves it in a very jerky fashion.
So when I scross right to left, the pan will move eratically, and in
fact sometimes make small movements in the opposite direction. The
acceleration on it is also messed up, and it is impossible to make an
entire sweet with one quick twist.> >I don't know if anyone else has
had a similar issue, and whether there is any chance it can be fixed?>
>I'm assuming I need a whole new BCR :(> >James.>

Genius !I tried midevice and it helped me understand the proper setup... Realised I had a tool that did this aready - xlutop chainer I can map controllers on

You could touch each solder point (on the encoder), with the hot
soldering iron.
Basically, just reflow the solder on each of those lugs.
That might make a difference.
Or order a new encoder and solder it in.
How many of these things do you have?
I agree the construction is not the best, but with a little soldering
or tinkering on the inside you should be able to fix most things...
I had my power switch break, let loose on me. Meaning it is no longer
connected to the metal, I will go in and reglue it when I get around
to it.
If it is not under warranty, what have you to loose?

Kip



--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, James Glover <james.glover@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Right, well I finally got it apart, and I can't see any loose
connection unfortunately.
>  
> I'm not good enough with electronics to go any further. If it was an
obvious pin that needed soldering I would give it a go, but there is
nothing obviously wrong. I'm actually amazed the thing still works at
all now it is back together!
>  
> I love the BCR2000, but they are just too poorly manufactured. This
is already my second and I'm not keen to buy a 3rd as it will probably
just break too.
>  
> I'm looking at a Novation Remote SL Zero now.
http://www.novationmusic.com/products/midi_control/remote_zero_sl/
> Does anyone have experience with one of these? If so I have a couple
of q's:
>  
> 1) If I chose not to use the automap function can I load new presets
like with the BCR? 
> 2) Can you select different tracks and effects with the automap like
with mackie mode on the BCR? 
>  
> If it is not as 'mouseless' then maybe I will have to stick with the
BCR and take another risk!
>  
> Thanks,
> James.
> 
> 
> 
> To: bc2000@...: james.glover@...: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:24:07
+0000Subject: RE: [bc2000] Re: Broken encoder
> 
> 
> 
> Royce, I think you are right - holding it to the side does seem to
rectify the situation. Thanks for the help. I presume that if I
dissessemble the unit, I should be able to re-solder the contact?
Cheers,James.
> 
> To: bc2000@...: rpcfender@...: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:44:07
+0000Subject: [bc2000] Re: Broken encoder
> 
> 
> Hi Jamesperhaps you have already tried this but, before launching
intostripping the thing down, can I suggest that you swap the
softwareparameters of an encoder that you know is working for the one
that isn't.You can program the encoder to give these sort of results.
Perhaps youcould give us the parameters you have set it up
with.Another check you might like to do is to push the knob to the
side andhold it while you twist it. Try holding in different
directions.Sometimes not all the connections on the encoder are
successfullysoldered during manufacture and a small amount of pressure
will causemovement and will make/break the connection on one of the
lugs.All the bestRoyce>My top left encoder is acting very strangely,
and I am assuming it isa hardware fault.> >Rather than smoothly
controlling the parameter itis assigned too, such as the pan, it moves
it in a very jerky fashion.So when I scross right to left, the pan
will move eratically, and infact sometimes make small movements in the
opposite direction. Theacceleration on it is also messed up, and it is
impossible to make anentire sweet with one quick twist.> >I don't know
if anyone else hashad a similar issue, and whether there is any chance
it can be fixed?>>I'm assuming I need a whole new BCR :(> >James.>

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The "pots" are really rotary optical encoders and it could be that the
problem is only contamination in the encoder, dust or hair are
typical. Have you tried a little compressed air?

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "k5kip_1999" <k5kip_1999@...> wrote:

>
> You could touch each solder point (on the encoder), with the hot
> soldering iron.
> Basically, just reflow the solder on each of those lugs.
> That might make a difference.
> Or order a new encoder and solder it in.
> How many of these things do you have?
> I agree the construction is not the best, but with a little soldering
> or tinkering on the inside you should be able to fix most things...
> I had my power switch break, let loose on me. Meaning it is no longer
> connected to the metal, I will go in and reglue it when I get around
> to it.
> If it is not under warranty, what have you to loose?
> 
> Kip
> 
> 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, James Glover <james.glover@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Right, well I finally got it apart, and I can't see any loose
> connection unfortunately.
> >  
> > I'm not good enough with electronics to go any further. If it was an
> obvious pin that needed soldering I would give it a go, but there is
> nothing obviously wrong. I'm actually amazed the thing still works at
> all now it is back together!
> >  
> > I love the BCR2000, but they are just too poorly manufactured. This
> is already my second and I'm not keen to buy a 3rd as it will probably
> just break too.
> >  
> > I'm looking at a Novation Remote SL Zero now.
> http://www.novationmusic.com/products/midi_control/remote_zero_sl/
> > Does anyone have experience with one of these? If so I have a couple
> of q's:
> >  
> > 1) If I chose not to use the automap function can I load new presets
> like with the BCR? 
> > 2) Can you select different tracks and effects with the automap like
> with mackie mode on the BCR? 
> >  
> > If it is not as 'mouseless' then maybe I will have to stick with the
> BCR and take another risk!
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > James.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: bc2000@: james.glover@: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:24:07
> +0000Subject: RE: [bc2000] Re: Broken encoder
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Royce, I think you are right - holding it to the side does seem to
> rectify the situation. Thanks for the help. I presume that if I
> dissessemble the unit, I should be able to re-solder the contact?
> Cheers,James.
> > 
> > To: bc2000@: rpcfender@: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:44:07
> +0000Subject: [bc2000] Re: Broken encoder
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Jamesperhaps you have already tried this but, before launching
> intostripping the thing down, can I suggest that you swap the
> softwareparameters of an encoder that you know is working for the one
> that isn't.You can program the encoder to give these sort of results.
> Perhaps youcould give us the parameters you have set it up
> with.Another check you might like to do is to push the knob to the
> side andhold it while you twist it. Try holding in different
> directions.Sometimes not all the connections on the encoder are
> successfullysoldered during manufacture and a small amount of pressure
> will causemovement and will make/break the connection on one of the
> lugs.All the bestRoyce>My top left encoder is acting very strangely,
> and I am assuming it isa hardware fault.> >Rather than smoothly
> controlling the parameter itis assigned too, such as the pan, it moves
> it in a very jerky fashion.So when I scross right to left, the pan
> will move eratically, and infact sometimes make small movements in the
> opposite direction. Theacceleration on it is also messed up, and it is
> impossible to make anentire sweet with one quick twist.> >I don't know
> if anyone else hashad a similar issue, and whether there is any chance
> it can be fixed?>>I'm assuming I need a whole new BCR :(> >James.>
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