Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi, I recently got a BCF for free. It turned out the USB was broken.. so no big deal since it was free, but just as I was getting into it and got some good use for it, I turned it on this evening and the MIDI out stopped functioning.

I had it hooked up to my Yamaha A5000, sending it SysEx, as a remote control (and because the knobs aren't so good any more) and it gave a MIDI error on it's screen when I turned on my BCF.. but that's all that happens..

The rest of the unit seems fine, I can still edit presets and all that stuff, just no way of doing anything with it. None of the MIDI leds are blinking. Anyone know if this is something I can fix or replace?

Thanks man, I want to try that, but I can't send any MIDI to it. I tried the panic reset combo, but it didn't fix the problem.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Ron Anderson <bitman2112@...> wrote:

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> Mmm... that blows.
> 
> I would try reloading the firmware if you can.
> Have you tried a Panic Reset? I forget the key combo.
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@...> wrote:
> Thanks man, I want to try that, but I can't send any MIDI to it.

Don't waste your time reflashing the firmware: if the BCF's display shows "1.10" during startup, the firmware is guaranteed to be 100% OK, because the BCF's bootloader performs a checksum on the firmware before starting it.

One thing that does matter: is the BCF in "B-Control" mode or in an emulation mode?

And in which operating mode (U-1..4, S-1..4) is the BCF?

For various tricks during startup and afterwards, see sections 22 and 23 of "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf", available from http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html .

Hope this helps,
Mark.

Thanks so much, I forgot about the USB modes U1-4.. I set it back to a MIDI mode and everything is working again. I don't know how I put it in that mode though, maybe BC Manager did that somehow?

Now I only have to piece it back together :)

Thanks again, was already bidding for a new one to replace it.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@> wrote:
> > Thanks man, I want to try that, but I can't send any MIDI to it.
> 
> Don't waste your time reflashing the firmware: if the BCF's display shows "1.10" during startup, the firmware is guaranteed to be 100% OK, because the BCF's bootloader performs a checksum on the firmware before starting it.
> 
> One thing that does matter: is the BCF in "B-Control" mode or in an emulation mode?
> 
> And in which operating mode (U-1..4, S-1..4) is the BCF?
> 
> For various tricks during startup and afterwards, see sections 22 and 23 of "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf", available from http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html .
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@...> wrote:
> Thanks so much, I forgot about the USB modes U1-4.. I set it back to a MIDI mode and everything is working again. I don't know how I put it in that mode though, maybe BC Manager did that somehow?

Yes, that's possible:

In BC Manager, the Operating Mode setting is in the "Global setups" window.
So if you haven't first loaded your BCF's global setup into BC Manager, BC Manager maintains its default, which is U-3,

BC Manager sends the Operating Mode to the BCF in 2 cases:

1. You run MIDI => Send from the "Global setups" window.

2. You run MIDI => "Send all data" from the "B-Controls" window.
(This sends both the global settings and all 32 presets.)

I suspect the second scenario has occurred in your case.

I suppose that most people use the BCF/BCR in a U-mode, in which case this behavior isn't such a problem, but I admit that this behavior almost amounts to a "behind-your-back" operation.

So maybe I could have BC Manager display a warning whenever the user is about to send the Operating Mode - I'll think about it.

By the way: the idea is that the user hardly ever uses "Send all data", and instead uses "Send" from the Presets window to upload presets.

Sorry about the confusion if BC Manager was responsible for your problem. But at least we've managed to avoid real disaster, in the nick of time...

Mark.

Heh, thanks for the quick replies yes. I fixed it up and it's working fine now. I actually didn't have much hope for this, because of the USB not working, so I gave up quickly.. But these things are built like a tank.

But I was mucking about with BC Manager and tried to come up with a sysex setup that works with my samplers knobs, I had a whole bunch of presets and was getting the hang of how the program worked, so I did a save of the preset I wanted to use and then a 'restart with default setup', so to thoroughly start a new. I probably did a send of the empty setups then?

Anyway all good now :)

Robert


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@> wrote:
> > Thanks so much, I forgot about the USB modes U1-4.. I set it back to a MIDI mode and everything is working again. I don't know how I put it in that mode though, maybe BC Manager did that somehow?
> 
> Yes, that's possible:
> 
> In BC Manager, the Operating Mode setting is in the "Global setups" window.
> So if you haven't first loaded your BCF's global setup into BC Manager, BC Manager maintains its default, which is U-3,
> 
> BC Manager sends the Operating Mode to the BCF in 2 cases:
> 
> 1. You run MIDI => Send from the "Global setups" window.
> 
> 2. You run MIDI => "Send all data" from the "B-Controls" window.
> (This sends both the global settings and all 32 presets.)
> 
> I suspect the second scenario has occurred in your case.
> 
> I suppose that most people use the BCF/BCR in a U-mode, in which case this behavior isn't such a problem, but I admit that this behavior almost amounts to a "behind-your-back" operation.
> 
> So maybe I could have BC Manager display a warning whenever the user is about to send the Operating Mode - I'll think about it.
> 
> By the way: the idea is that the user hardly ever uses "Send all data", and instead uses "Send" from the Presets window to upload presets.
> 
> Sorry about the confusion if BC Manager was responsible for your problem. But at least we've managed to avoid real disaster, in the nick of time...
> 
> Mark.
>

Yay!

And free too!

Can't beat that.

--- On Tue, 8/16/11, Mark v.d. Berg <markwinvdb@...> wrote:

From: Mark v.d. Berg <markwinvdb@...>
Subject: [bc2000] Re: BCF2000 midi & usb died
To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 10:32 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@...> wrote:

> Thanks so much, I forgot about the USB modes U1-4.. I set it back to a MIDI mode and everything is working again. I don't know how I put it in that mode though, maybe BC Manager did that somehow?



Yes, that's possible:



In BC Manager, the Operating Mode setting is in the "Global setups" window.

So if you haven't first loaded your BCF's global setup into BC Manager, BC Manager maintains its default, which is U-3,



BC Manager sends the Operating Mode to the BCF in 2 cases:



1. You run MIDI => Send from the "Global setups" window.



2. You run MIDI => "Send all data" from the "B-Controls" window.

(This sends both the global settings and all 32 presets.)



I suspect the second scenario has occurred in your case.



I suppose that most people use the BCF/BCR in a U-mode, in which case this behavior isn't such a problem, but I admit that this behavior almost amounts to a "behind-your-back" operation.



So maybe I could have BC Manager display a warning whenever the user is about to send the Operating Mode - I'll think about it.



By the way: the idea is that the user hardly ever uses "Send all data", and instead uses "Send" from the Presets window to upload presets.



Sorry about the confusion if BC Manager was responsible for your problem. But at least we've managed to avoid real disaster, in the nick of time...



Mark.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "zeitgeber24" <rbeenen@...> wrote:
> But I was mucking about with BC Manager and tried to come up with a sysex setup that works with my samplers knobs, I had a whole bunch of presets and was getting the hang of how the program worked, so I did a save of the preset I wanted to use and then a 'restart with default setup', so to thoroughly start a new. I probably did a send of the empty setups then?

"Restart with default setup" only concerns BC Manager itself.
To be precise, the existing BCMan.ini file is thrown away and BC Manager then restarts with its default settings.
These settings concern things like the positions of windows, and which MIDI input/output ports on the computer BC Manager opens.

However, "Restart with default setup" does not change any preset or setup data on any connected BCF/BCR2000, so "Restart with default setup" itself can't have changed your BCF's Operating Mode.
Anyway...

Mark.