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JX-8P Preset Questions

JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-27 by aaron.schepler

Hello all,

I'm new to the group.  I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000.  I have a couple of questions:

1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)?  It doesn't do that now.  The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.

2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter).  Is this normal?

Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!

Aaron

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-28 by stephen

I don't have an answer but what's preset are you using? I'm a bit of a dope and have not been able to load any, my mac can't open the software as its too old so would be great to know your method

--- In bc2000@...m, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm new to the group.  I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000.  I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)?  It doesn't do that now.  The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> 
> 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter).  Is this normal?
> 
> Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> 
> Aaron
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-28 by Rainer Keizer

Hi Aaron!

Thanks for the compliments on the template!

To answer your questions:
1) When you press "PARAMETER" on your 8P, it WILL jump to the parameter and show the value it currently has, updating live when you turn a control.
2) That is correct, the thing is that I actually didn't know what hex value triggered which param state, so I just let the control send the full range. There is no 1 to 1 correllation between the value sent and the actual parameter value on the 8P. For example, some parameters stay "0" on the 8P from values 0-31, and once 32 is sent the value jumps to "1". I don't even know whether the BCR is capable of only sending 0, 32, 64 and so on - so you either have to accept it or try to improve it :-)

Cheers,
Rainer

BTW: if you have an iPad, you could also use it to control your synths using an incredibly useful (payed) app called Midi Designer. I created free layouts for this app for the JX-3P, JX-8P, Alpha Juno 1/2, MKS-30, MKS-50, MKS-70:
http://mididesigner.com/qa/171/roland-jx-3p-jx-8p-mks-30-mks-50
(some of these synths obviously need an upgrade kit before they can be programmed by any editor)

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-28 by Royce

Hi guys

Synths often display a fixed number like 0 when they are handed data they don't understand. So a value over the max is probably causing the problem, but it also could cause other undocumented problems so it should be fixed.
 
It is quite easy to adjust the range.
The *.bc2 files are just text files and you can use any text editor to fix them.
I think Mark even has a text editor in his program. 

This is the first entry

$encoder 1 ;DCO1 Range
  .showvalue on
  .mode pan
  .resolution 96 96 96 96
  .default 0
  .minmax 0 127
  .tx $F0 $41 $36 $0F $21 $20 $01 $0B val $F7


Look up the range for the 'DCO range' in the manual. 
Use the sysex description, usually at the back, not the user guide part as often the numbers are different. eg -3 to 3 for the display could be 0 to 6 in the sysex.

Let's say it is 0 to 31 in the manual, where it reads
  .minmax 0 127
just change it to 
  .minmax 0 31

So just go through all of the controls and change them to what is required

$encoder 1 ;DCO1 Range
  .showvalue on
  .mode pan
  .resolution 96 96 96 96
  .default 0
  .minmax 0 31
  .tx $F0 $41 $36 $0F $21 $20 $01 $0B val $F7

Save the file and load it into Mark's editor and send it to the BC.

All the best
Royce

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rainer Keizer <rainer.keizer@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Aaron!
> 
> Thanks for the compliments on the template!
> 
> To answer your questions:
> 1) When you press "PARAMETER" on your 8P, it WILL jump to the parameter and
> show the value it currently has, updating live when you turn a control.
> 2) That is correct, the thing is that I actually didn't know what hex value
> triggered which param state, so I just let the control send the full range.
> There is no 1 to 1 correllation between the value sent and the actual
> parameter value on the 8P. For example, some parameters stay "0" on the 8P
> from values 0-31, and once 32 is sent the value jumps to "1". I don't even
> know whether the BCR is capable of only sending 0, 32, 64 and so on - so
> you either have to accept it or try to improve it :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Rainer
> 
> BTW: if you have an iPad, you could also use it to control your synths
> using an incredibly useful (payed) app called Midi Designer. I created free
> layouts for this app for the JX-3P, JX-8P, Alpha Juno 1/2, MKS-30, MKS-50,
> MKS-70:
> http://mididesigner.com/qa/171/roland-jx-3p-jx-8p-mks-30-mks-50
> (some of these synths obviously need an upgrade kit before they can be
> programmed by any editor)
> 
> -- 
> My music: http://www.soundcloud.com/planeshifter
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-29 by robertthorley

1. If the parameter you are changing is within the patch it will go into edit mode when you change the value from the BCR. If it was
 say , something like pitch bend or modulation (joy stick or wheels) pedal etc., it would stay in normal operation.  the same thing happens with most editors.
2. A displayed range isn't necessarily the control change value and I think it was mentioned earlier that the midi implementation sheet in the back of the manual of your JX-8P should show the actual values. one easy way to tell is if the paramter maxes out way before the encoder turns full value or the oppisite showing the encoder is programmed incorrectly.

--- In bc2000 @yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm new to the group.  I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000.  I have a couple of questions:he 
> 
> 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to cha nge and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)?  It doesn't do that now.  The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> 
> 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter).  Is this normal?
> 
> Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> 
> Aaron
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by aaron.schepler

Rainer,

Thank you for the helpful response.  I now realize that I need to be in "parameter" mode in order to see the changes on the synth.  The other question I had doesn't concern me that much.  It was just something that I was curious about.  

Again, thanks for your hard work on the template.  All of us JX-8P owners are benefiting from it! :-)

Aaron

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rainer Keizer <rainer.keizer@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Aaron!
> 
> Thanks for the compliments on the template!
> 
> To answer your questions:
> 1) When you press "PARAMETER" on your 8P, it WILL jump to the parameter and
> show the value it currently has, updating live when you turn a control.
> 2) That is correct, the thing is that I actually didn't know what hex value
> triggered which param state, so I just let the control send the full range.
> There is no 1 to 1 correllation between the value sent and the actual
> parameter value on the 8P. For example, some parameters stay "0" on the 8P
> from values 0-31, and once 32 is sent the value jumps to "1". I don't even
> know whether the BCR is capable of only sending 0, 32, 64 and so on - so
> you either have to accept it or try to improve it :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Rainer
> 
> BTW: if you have an iPad, you could also use it to control your synths
> using an incredibly useful (payed) app called Midi Designer. I created free
> layouts for this app for the JX-3P, JX-8P, Alpha Juno 1/2, MKS-30, MKS-50,
> MKS-70:
> http://mididesigner.com/qa/171/roland-jx-3p-jx-8p-mks-30-mks-50
> (some of these synths obviously need an upgrade kit before they can be
> programmed by any editor)
> 
> -- 
> My music: http://www.soundcloud.com/planeshifter
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by aaron.schepler

I am using the preset that Rainer, from this group, created.  It can be found in the "Files" section of this group.  Just click on the "Files" link on the left-hand side of this page. :-)

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stephen" <straightola@...> wrote:
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>
> I don't have an answer but what's preset are you using? I'm a bit of a dope and have not been able to load any, my mac can't open the software as its too old so would be great to know your method
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I'm new to the group.  I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000.  I have a couple of questions:
> > 
> > 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)?  It doesn't do that now.  The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> > 
> > 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter).  Is this normal?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> > 
> > Aaron
> >
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by aaron.schepler

Royce,

This is very intriguing.  Thanks for the helpful suggestion!

Aaron

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Royce" <rpcfender@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi guys
> 
> Synths often display a fixed number like 0 when they are handed data they don't understand. So a value over the max is probably causing the problem, but it also could cause other undocumented problems so it should be fixed.
>  
> It is quite easy to adjust the range.
> The *.bc2 files are just text files and you can use any text editor to fix them.
> I think Mark even has a text editor in his program. 
> 
> This is the first entry
> 
> $encoder 1 ;DCO1 Range
>   .showvalue on
>   .mode pan
>   .resolution 96 96 96 96
>   .default 0
>   .minmax 0 127
>   .tx $F0 $41 $36 $0F $21 $20 $01 $0B val $F7
> 
> 
> Look up the range for the 'DCO range' in the manual. 
> Use the sysex description, usually at the back, not the user guide part as often the numbers are different. eg -3 to 3 for the display could be 0 to 6 in the sysex.
> 
> Let's say it is 0 to 31 in the manual, where it reads
>   .minmax 0 127
> just change it to 
>   .minmax 0 31
> 
> So just go through all of the controls and change them to what is required
> 
> $encoder 1 ;DCO1 Range
>   .showvalue on
>   .mode pan
>   .resolution 96 96 96 96
>   .default 0
>   .minmax 0 31
>   .tx $F0 $41 $36 $0F $21 $20 $01 $0B val $F7
> 
> Save the file and load it into Mark's editor and send it to the BC.
> 
> All the best
> Royce
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rainer Keizer <rainer.keizer@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Aaron!
> > 
> > Thanks for the compliments on the template!
> > 
> > To answer your questions:
> > 1) When you press "PARAMETER" on your 8P, it WILL jump to the parameter and
> > show the value it currently has, updating live when you turn a control.
> > 2) That is correct, the thing is that I actually didn't know what hex value
> > triggered which param state, so I just let the control send the full range.
> > There is no 1 to 1 correllation between the value sent and the actual
> > parameter value on the 8P. For example, some parameters stay "0" on the 8P
> > from values 0-31, and once 32 is sent the value jumps to "1". I don't even
> > know whether the BCR is capable of only sending 0, 32, 64 and so on - so
> > you either have to accept it or try to improve it :-)
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Rainer
> > 
> > BTW: if you have an iPad, you could also use it to control your synths
> > using an incredibly useful (payed) app called Midi Designer. I created free
> > layouts for this app for the JX-3P, JX-8P, Alpha Juno 1/2, MKS-30, MKS-50,
> > MKS-70:
> > http://mididesigner.com/qa/171/roland-jx-3p-jx-8p-mks-30-mks-50
> > (some of these synths obviously need an upgrade kit before they can be
> > programmed by any editor)
> > 
> > -- 
> > My music: http://www.soundcloud.com/planeshifter
> >
>

Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by stephen

Thanks for the reply, ive done this but i have no idea how to get the preset on the bcr2000? Im a serious noob at this, I have owned one since 2006 but have only recently needed to be using it with hardware
Thanks

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@...> wrote:
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>
> I am using the preset that Rainer, from this group, created.  It can be found in the "Files" section of this group.  Just click on the "Files" link on the left-hand side of this page. :-)
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stephen" <straightola@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have an answer but what's preset are you using? I'm a bit of a dope and have not been able to load any, my mac can't open the software as its too old so would be great to know your method
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > I'm new to the group.  I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000.  I have a couple of questions:
> > > 
> > > 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)?  It doesn't do that now.  The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> > > 
> > > 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter).  Is this normal?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> > > 
> > > Aaron
> > >
> >
>

Re: [bc2000] Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by Human Being

First you need to go into the MIDI menu on the JX8P and turn System Exclusive [#26] on.

I can really only speak for the Mac side of things, but you should be able to use something like Sysex Librarian http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/ and just drop the .syx file in, change the destination to your BCR2000 Port 1, and then click "Play".

For this, I put the BCR2000 is in "USB Mode" because it's easiest. The modes are changed via hitting Store+Edit on the BCR then turning the top, leftmost knob until it reads U-1 through 4. I've not used USB mode to control the JX, only to dump SysEx, but Standard mode (S1-4) using regular old MIDI cables works perfectly.

If you're using a PC, maybe someone can chime in with whatever software works best/easiest for them but the process should be roughly the same?

I mostly typed all of this out for posterity, in case anyone needs it, but I'm pretty confident that you can find all of this information a few times over with a little diligence.

On Dec 30, 2012, at 5:12 AM, stephen wrote:

Thanks for the reply, ive done this but i have no idea how to get the preset on the bcr2000? Im a serious noob at this, I have owned one since 2006 but have only recently needed to be using it with hardware
Thanks

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" wrote:
>
> I am using the preset that Rainer, from this group, created. It can be found in the "Files" section of this group. Just click on the "Files" link on the left-hand side of this page. :-)
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stephen" wrote:
> >
> > I don't have an answer but what's preset are you using? I'm a bit of a dope and have not been able to load any, my mac can't open the software as its too old so would be great to know your method
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm new to the group. I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000. I have a couple of questions:
> > >
> > > 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)? It doesn't do that now. The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> > >
> > > 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter). Is this normal?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> >
>


Re: JX-8P Preset Questions

2012-12-30 by stephen

perfect man, i was trying to do it with the bcr librarian tool and it wouldnt work. that seems much more sensible

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, Human Being <abigblackwave@...> wrote:
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>
> First you need to go into the MIDI menu on the JX8P and turn System Exclusive [#26] on. 
> 
> I can really only speak for the Mac side of things, but you should be able to use something like Sysex Librarian http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/ and just drop the .syx file in, change the destination to your BCR2000 Port 1, and then click "Play".
> 
> For this, I put the BCR2000 is in "USB Mode" because it's easiest. The modes are changed via hitting Store+Edit on the BCR then turning the top, leftmost knob until it reads U-1 through 4. I've not used USB mode to control the JX, only to dump SysEx, but Standard mode (S1-4) using regular old MIDI cables works perfectly. 
> 
> If you're using  a PC, maybe someone can chime in with whatever software works best/easiest for them but the process should be roughly the same?
> 
> I mostly typed all of this out for posterity, in case anyone needs it, but I'm pretty confident that you can find all of this information a few times over with a little diligence.
> 
> On Dec 30, 2012, at 5:12 AM, stephen wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the reply, ive done this but i have no idea how to get the preset on the bcr2000? Im a serious noob at this, I have owned one since 2006 but have only recently needed to be using it with hardware
> > Thanks
> > 
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am using the preset that Rainer, from this group, created. It can be found in the "Files" section of this group. Just click on the "Files" link on the left-hand side of this page. :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "stephen" <straightola@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't have an answer but what's preset are you using? I'm a bit of a dope and have not been able to load any, my mac can't open the software as its too old so would be great to know your method
> > > > 
> > > > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "aaron.schepler" <aaron3900@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm new to the group. I've downloaded and just started enjoying the JX-8P preset, which I've installed on my new BCR2000. I have a couple of questions:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1) When I turn the encoders on the BCR, is the display on the JX-8P supposed to change and show the parameter that I'm editing (and the corresponding values)? It doesn't do that now. The number next to the name of the selected patch flashes, showing that it's being edited, but that's all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2) On the BCR itself, the digital display always shows a range of 0-127 when I turn the encoders, even if the range on the JX-8P is different (e.g., 0-3 for at least one parameter). Is this normal?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks in advance; I really appreciate the fine work that's been done to create these presets!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Aaron
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

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