Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

Hi Everyone. I bought a BC2000 a few years ago.  I didn't really understand how to use it. I could change some parameters in Ableton but not all and I just couldn't get my head around it so it has lived in it's box until yesterday. I put it for sale on eBay but thought I would try it before selling and I realized that I could easily control the parameters of the Ableton instruments by changing the preset on the bc2000 and using the midi assign in Ableton to select what rotory controls what parameter and this worked so well I removed it from being sold.  Am I right that this only works for Ableton instruments and effects rather than for VSTs? I had a quick look at some VST synths and there was no way to assign midi to them.  Please can someone tell me if I am missing anything I can do with it? I have an Ableton Push 2 and an Akai APC 20, could I do everything with my Push 2? I am still getting familiar with it but I think I like the rotory knobs on the bc2000.  Cheers, David

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I would very much like to see more discussion on this point as well.  I too bought a BCF2000 a year ago to use with Ableton and really haven’t used it as I’ve found it totally unintuitive.  I’m also on Mac, in case that matters.   It looks to me like it basically requires Isotonik Studios’ Preditor and BCF2000 control scripts to be very useful inside Ableton… if this is not actually the case I’d sure like to hear about it!

JVC

> On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:23 AM, David Dexter deathvalleydriver@... [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Everyone. I bought a BC2000 a few years ago.  I didn't really understand how to use it. I could change some parameters in Ableton but not all and I just couldn't get my head around it so it has lived in it's box until yesterday. I put it for sale on eBay but thought I would try it before selling and I realized that I could easily control the parameters of the Ableton instruments by changing the preset on the bc2000 and using the midi assign in Ableton to select what rotory controls what parameter and this worked so well I removed it from being sold.  Am I right that this only works for Ableton instruments and effects rather than for VSTs? I had a quick look at some VST synths and there was no way to assign midi to them.  Please can someone tell me if I am missing anything I can do with it? I have an Ableton Push 2 and an Akai APC 20, could I do everything with my Push 2? I am still getting familiar with it but I think I like the rotory knobs on the bc2000.  Cheers, David
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JVC, 
What I figured out yesterday is that automatically when you start Ableton the rotory knobs change the sends and the volumes and that is it. The top buttons change the tracks and turn on the arm recording for that track.  
From there if you press the next preset on the far right you can then program that to control whatever you like, so for example, you have an Ableton synth on track 1, hit the midi assign in Ableton and then select each highlighted parameter you want to control and turn a knob and that now controls it. Do this with further instruments and effects in the different presets and save them so you have control over everything you want but you need to hit the presets on bc2000 to access each set up you have assigned for control.
I hope someone who knows more than me can chime in and tell us more if there is more to it
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  On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:31, Jonathan van Clute vanclute@... [bc2000]<bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:       
I would very much like to see more discussion on this point as well.  I too bought a BCF2000 a year ago to use with Ableton and really haven’t used it as I’ve found it totally unintuitive.  I’m also on Mac, in case that matters.   It looks to me like it basically requires Isotonik Studios’ Preditor and BCF2000 control scripts to be very useful inside Ableton… if this is not actually the case I’d sure like to hear about it!

JVC

On Apr 18, 2018, at 5:23 AM, David Dexter deathvalleydriver@yahoo.co.uk [bc2000] <bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Everyone. I bought a BC2000 a few years ago.  I didn't really understand how to use it. I could change some parameters in Ableton but not all and I just couldn't get my head around it so it has lived in it's box until yesterday. I put it for sale on eBay but thought I would try it before selling and I realized that I could easily control the parameters of the Ableton instruments by changing the preset on the bc2000 and using the midi assign in Ableton to select what rotory controls what parameter and this worked so well I removed it from being sold.  Am I right that this only works for Ableton instruments and effects rather than for VSTs? I had a quick look at some VST synths and there was no way to assign midi to them.  Please can someone tell me if I am missing anything I can do with it? I have an Ableton Push 2 and an Akai APC 20, could I do everything with my Push 2? I am still getting familiar with it but I think I like the rotory knobs on the bc2000.  Cheers, David


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Thank you Andy 😁

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  On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 20:08, man.of.mystery@... [bc2000]<bc2000@yahoogroups.com> wrote:       
I haven't used Ableton, so I don't know what the limitations are, but I'd suggest trying Cantabile, from TopTen Software:

https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/download/

The cheapest paid version has a feature called Bindings, which allows you to control any parameter of a VST from a MIDI controller - it's similar to the "MIDI Learn" that some VSTs have, but it extends it to any parameter that can be controlled via the DAW.  Usually, that's all of them.

You get to try it for a month, and you can use it without the paid for features for free indefinitely.  It's quite reasonably priced.

I do understand that switching DAWs is probably not something you'd do lightly.  I'm just suggesting an option I know that works.

The only time I've had problems is when a VST already responds to a particular CC sent by the MIDI controller - things get messy if you try to use it to do something else.  The way around that is to change it on the BCR2000 / BCF2000, to send a CC that does nothing, then set a "Binding" to make it control the parameter you want.

You can also use a MIDI mapping to send everything to a different MIDI channel, so the VST doesn't see any CCs directly, then set up the bindings.

It's a bit tedious to set up 32 knobs, but you get to save it for next time.  The difficult thing is going back and changing assignments later - it can be done, it just takes a bit of time to learn how.  Maybe start with a clear plan of what knob or slider you want to control which parameter first, and make some notes.

The author of Cantabile is very helpful, and normally responds to emails directly.  It's billed as a DAW for performing live with, but I don't see any reason why it can't be used to record with, like any other DAW.

Andy