Bc2000 (for the BCF2000 & BCR2000)

> see if we can help.
> 
> All the best
> Royce
>

> negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> know) e.g. pan starts at  -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1  0 for
> centre and then up to 7 for hard right
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
>
>
> >
> > Anyone inspired?
>
> Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> others and save them some programming time.
> If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> see if we can help.
>
> All the best
> Royce
>

> negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> know) e.g. pan starts at  -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1  0 for
> centre and then up to 7 for hard right
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
>
>
> >
> > Anyone inspired?
>
> Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> others and save them some programming time.
> If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> see if we can help.
>
> All the best
> Royce
>

>
> Welcome
> 
> > Wanted to let you know I'm currently working out a BCR preset for the
> > Oberheim matrix 6(R) using bc convert on MAC OSX. Most parameters
> > should also work for the matrix 1000.
> >
> > 2 things I wanna find out
> >
> > 1. Has anyone else heard of people who've been working on similar
> > projects? It's maybe a days work & want to avoid double work...
> 
> I have done quite a bit of work on presets for hardware synths , but not
> any Oberheim.
> 
> > 2 The BCR kan only learn sysex to the knobs not to the encoders (1
> > String at a time....) so i've heard (is this correct? I think so,
> > because only with the knobs I get 'good' message on the BCR after
> > sysex dump.....
> 
> The thing you need to program into the BCR can't be programmed using the
> front panel of the BCR.
> BC convert should do the trick.  (I'm sorry I don't have a version of my
> editor for the Mac)
> 
> >
> > I was thinking of learning the sysex data to the knobs from sounddiver
> > (or similar editor), and then:
> >
> > Replace the <knob> suffix with the <Encoder> suffix in the bc convert
> > textfile using the text editor's "find and replace" function. In other
> > words, deleting everything but the sysex strings.
> >
> > This way you can very "hands on" learn (any) sysex to the BCR.
> >
> I don't think this will work.
> The script for the buttons and the encoders are similar but not the
> same.
> Plus there is extra stuff that one has that the other doesn't.
> The BCR is capable of heaps of things that Behringer forgot to tell us.
> 
> > Should beautyfully work for lots of 80's synths like bit01, ESQ80, or
> > even Yamaha Fm series, that are not supplied with standard CC
> > implemetation!
> 
> There is a member that was trying to write a preset for his new Korg
> DW8000.
> I have a DW 6000 and wrote a preset to get him started.
> Check it out in the files section and it might help you get started in
> learning how to handle syex messages on the encoders.
> 
> I am writing a number of presets for the FantomX (the first ones are
> also in the files section)
> It has so many parameters that it takes quite a few presets to access
> all of them.
> 
> I only had partial success with a preset for the Emu Morpheus as Emu use
> negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> know) e.g. pan starts at  -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1  0 for
> centre and then up to 7 for hard right
> 
> Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
> 
> 
> >
> > Anyone inspired?
> 
> Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> others and save them some programming time.
> If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> see if we can help.
> 
> All the best
> Royce

>  
> Another thing I noticed, was that the BCR sometimes outputs lots of (random) notes and 
> sysex values. Has anyone encountered this or is my device malfunctioning?
> 
> The Maker
> 
> >
> > Welcome
> > 
> > > Wanted to let you know I'm currently working out a BCR preset for the
> > > Oberheim matrix 6(R) using bc convert on MAC OSX. Most parameters
> > > should also work for the matrix 1000.
> > >
> > > 2 things I wanna find out
> > >
> > > 1. Has anyone else heard of people who've been working on similar
> > > projects? It's maybe a days work & want to avoid double work...
> > 
> > I have done quite a bit of work on presets for hardware synths , but not
> > any Oberheim.
> > 
> > > 2 The BCR kan only learn sysex to the knobs not to the encoders (1
> > > String at a time....) so i've heard (is this correct? I think so,
> > > because only with the knobs I get 'good' message on the BCR after
> > > sysex dump.....
> > 
> > The thing you need to program into the BCR can't be programmed using the
> > front panel of the BCR.
> > BC convert should do the trick.  (I'm sorry I don't have a version of my
> > editor for the Mac)
> > 
> > >
> > > I was thinking of learning the sysex data to the knobs from sounddiver
> > > (or similar editor), and then:
> > >
> > > Replace the <knob> suffix with the <Encoder> suffix in the bc convert
> > > textfile using the text editor's "find and replace" function. In other
> > > words, deleting everything but the sysex strings.
> > >
> > > This way you can very "hands on" learn (any) sysex to the BCR.
> > >
> > I don't think this will work.
> > The script for the buttons and the encoders are similar but not the
> > same.
> > Plus there is extra stuff that one has that the other doesn't.
> > The BCR is capable of heaps of things that Behringer forgot to tell us.
> > 
> > > Should beautyfully work for lots of 80's synths like bit01, ESQ80, or
> > > even Yamaha Fm series, that are not supplied with standard CC
> > > implemetation!
> > 
> > There is a member that was trying to write a preset for his new Korg
> > DW8000.
> > I have a DW 6000 and wrote a preset to get him started.
> > Check it out in the files section and it might help you get started in
> > learning how to handle syex messages on the encoders.
> > 
> > I am writing a number of presets for the FantomX (the first ones are
> > also in the files section)
> > It has so many parameters that it takes quite a few presets to access
> > all of them.
> > 
> > I only had partial success with a preset for the Emu Morpheus as Emu use
> > negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> > know) e.g. pan starts at  -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1  0 for
> > centre and then up to 7 for hard right
> > 
> > Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Anyone inspired?
> > 
> > Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> > others and save them some programming time.
> > If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> > (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> > see if we can help.
> > 
> > All the best
> > Royce
>

>  > Welcome
>  >
>  > > Wanted to let you know I'm currently working out a BCR preset for the
>  > > Oberheim matrix 6(R) using bc convert on MAC OSX. Most parameters
>  > > should also work for the matrix 1000.
>  > >
>  > > 2 things I wanna find out
>  > >
>  > > 1. Has anyone else heard of people who've been working on similar
>  > > projects? It's maybe a days work & want to avoid double work...
>  >
>  > I have done quite a bit of work on presets for hardware synths , but not
>  > any Oberheim.
>  >
>  > > 2 The BCR kan only learn sysex to the knobs not to the encoders (1
>  > > String at a time....) so i've heard (is this correct? I think so,
>  > > because only with the knobs I get 'good' message on the BCR after
>  > > sysex dump.....
>  >
>  > The thing you need to program into the BCR can't be programmed using the
>  > front panel of the BCR.
>  > BC convert should do the trick. (I'm sorry I don't have a version of my
>  > editor for the Mac)
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I was thinking of learning the sysex data to the knobs from sounddiver
>  > > (or similar editor), and then:
>  > >
>  > > Replace the <knob> suffix with the <Encoder> suffix in the bc convert
>  > > textfile using the text editor's "find and replace" function. In other
>  > > words, deleting everything but the sysex strings.
>  > >
>  > > This way you can very "hands on" learn (any) sysex to the BCR.
>  > >
>  > I don't think this will work.
>  > The script for the buttons and the encoders are similar but not the
>  > same.
>  > Plus there is extra stuff that one has that the other doesn't.
>  > The BCR is capable of heaps of things that Behringer forgot to tell us.
>  >
>  > > Should beautyfully work for lots of 80's synths like bit01, ESQ80, or
>  > > even Yamaha Fm series, that are not supplied with standard CC
>  > > implemetation!
>  >
>  > There is a member that was trying to write a preset for his new Korg
>  > DW8000.
>  > I have a DW 6000 and wrote a preset to get him started.
>  > Check it out in the files section and it might help you get started in
>  > learning how to handle syex messages on the encoders.
>  >
>  > I am writing a number of presets for the FantomX (the first ones are
>  > also in the files section)
>  > It has so many parameters that it takes quite a few presets to access
>  > all of them.
>  >
>  > I only had partial success with a preset for the Emu Morpheus as Emu use
>  > negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
>  > know) e.g. pan starts at -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1 0 for
>  > centre and then up to 7 for hard right
>  >
>  > Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
>  >
>  >
>  > >
>  > > Anyone inspired?
>  >
>  > Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
>  > others and save them some programming time.
>  > If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
>  > (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
>  > see if we can help.
>  >
>  > All the best
>  > Royce
>
>

> > sysex values. Has anyone encountered this or is my device malfunctioning?
> > 
> > The Maker
> > 
> > >
> > > Welcome
> > > 
> > > > Wanted to let you know I'm currently working out a BCR preset for the
> > > > Oberheim matrix 6(R) using bc convert on MAC OSX. Most parameters
> > > > should also work for the matrix 1000.
> > > >
> > > > 2 things I wanna find out
> > > >
> > > > 1. Has anyone else heard of people who've been working on similar
> > > > projects? It's maybe a days work & want to avoid double work...
> > > 
> > > I have done quite a bit of work on presets for hardware synths , but not
> > > any Oberheim.
> > > 
> > > > 2 The BCR kan only learn sysex to the knobs not to the encoders (1
> > > > String at a time....) so i've heard (is this correct? I think so,
> > > > because only with the knobs I get 'good' message on the BCR after
> > > > sysex dump.....
> > > 
> > > The thing you need to program into the BCR can't be programmed using the
> > > front panel of the BCR.
> > > BC convert should do the trick.  (I'm sorry I don't have a version of my
> > > editor for the Mac)
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking of learning the sysex data to the knobs from sounddiver
> > > > (or similar editor), and then:
> > > >
> > > > Replace the <knob> suffix with the <Encoder> suffix in the bc convert
> > > > textfile using the text editor's "find and replace" function. In other
> > > > words, deleting everything but the sysex strings.
> > > >
> > > > This way you can very "hands on" learn (any) sysex to the BCR.
> > > >
> > > I don't think this will work.
> > > The script for the buttons and the encoders are similar but not the
> > > same.
> > > Plus there is extra stuff that one has that the other doesn't.
> > > The BCR is capable of heaps of things that Behringer forgot to tell us.
> > > 
> > > > Should beautyfully work for lots of 80's synths like bit01, ESQ80, or
> > > > even Yamaha Fm series, that are not supplied with standard CC
> > > > implemetation!
> > > 
> > > There is a member that was trying to write a preset for his new Korg
> > > DW8000.
> > > I have a DW 6000 and wrote a preset to get him started.
> > > Check it out in the files section and it might help you get started in
> > > learning how to handle syex messages on the encoders.
> > > 
> > > I am writing a number of presets for the FantomX (the first ones are
> > > also in the files section)
> > > It has so many parameters that it takes quite a few presets to access
> > > all of them.
> > > 
> > > I only had partial success with a preset for the Emu Morpheus as Emu use
> > > negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> > > know) e.g. pan starts at  -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1  0 for
> > > centre and then up to 7 for hard right
> > > 
> > > Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Anyone inspired?
> > > 
> > > Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> > > others and save them some programming time.
> > > If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> > > (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> > > see if we can help.
> > > 
> > > All the best
> > > Royce
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: alancurrall

To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 7:36 AM

Subject: [bc2000] Re: Matrix 6 BCR editor beta.

Hiya Maker,

How did you get on with this? I've only just joined the group and although it seems like a
pipe dream I'd love to get a hands on way of editing my Yamaha TX7 (DX7 in a box)
without having to use a computer.

Cheers,
Alan

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "themaker4" .> wrote:
>
> Looking for negative value solution Midiquest can do this.....
>
> I tried sending a negative value to a BCR button from a MIDIQUEST demo:
>
> # Generated by BC-Convert. Input was DeviceID 0, ModelID 21
>
> $rev R1
> $preset
> .name 'init '
> .snapshot off
> .request off
> .egroups 4
> .fkeys on
> .lock off
> .init
> $button 1
> .showvalue off
> .default 0
> .mode down
> .minmax 0 127
> .tx $F0 $10 $06 $05 $F7 $F0 $10 $06 $06 $01 $6C $F7
> $end
>
> The button generates a string in wich $F0 $10 $06 $06 $01 $6C $F7 obviously is the
> parameter byte ($6C the value)
>
> Before that it's : $F0 $10 $06 $05 Does this make any sense to anyone? Could this
mean
> a negative value is sent?
>
> The Maker
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "themaker4" wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "rpcfender" wrote:
> >
> >
> > First results on this!!! Most encoders seem to work, I tested it with 16 encoders
working
> > fine.
> >
> > Next step is the Negative values And the buttons.
> >
> > I've got 2 more questions:
> >
> > While editting the hardcore BCR code,
> >
> > 1 How do I use the toggle button to send out a 1 value sysex byte at a time? Each time
> the
> > button is pressed I want the BCR to toggle between 2 values for example
> >
> > .tx $F0 $10 $06 $06 20 0 $F7
> >
> > .tx $F0 $10 $06 $06 20 1 $F7
> >
> > (sorry for mixing hex with normal numbers)
> >
> > 2 @ Tony Cappelini (I post the question here So everyone can read...
> >
> > How did you in the end implement the negative parameter transmit thing On the
Peavey
> > PC1600 (for instance parameters like LFO amount that use ranges (-63/+63))?
> >
> > Is it correct that the matrix 1000 has this implemented support for this in a smarter
> way?
> >
> > Another thing I noticed, was that the BCR sometimes outputs lots of (random) notes
and
> > sysex values. Has anyone encountered this or is my device malfunctioning?
> >
> > The Maker
> >
> > >
> > > Welcome
> > >
> > > > Wanted to let you know I'm currently working out a BCR preset for the
> > > > Oberheim matrix 6(R) using bc convert on MAC OSX. Most parameters
> > > > should also work for the matrix 1000.
> > > >
> > > > 2 things I wanna find out
> > > >
> > > > 1. Has anyone else heard of people who've been working on similar
> > > > projects? It's maybe a days work & want to avoid double work...
> > >
>; > > I have done quite a bit of work on presets for hardware synths , but not
> > > any Oberheim.
> > >
> > > > 2 The BCR kan only learn sysex to the knobs not to the encoders (1
> > > > String at a time....) so i've heard (is this correct? I think so,
> > > > because only with the knobs I get 'good' message on the BCR after
> > > > sysex dump.....
> > >
> > > The thing you need to program into the BCR can't be programmed using the
> > > front panel of the BCR.
> > > BC convert should do the trick. (I'm sorry I don't have a version of my
> > > editor for the Mac)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking of learning the sysex data to the knobs from sounddiver
> > > > (or similar editor), and then:
> > > >
> > > > Replace the suffix with the suffix in the bc convert
> > > > textfile using the text editor's "find and replace" function. In other
> > > > words, deleting everything but the sysex strings.
> > > >
> > > > This way you can very "hands on" learn (any) sysex to the BCR.
> > > >
> > > I don't think this will work.
> > > The script for the buttons and the encoders are similar but not the
> > > same.
> > > Plus there is extra stuff that one has that the other doesn't.
> > > The BCR is capable of heaps of things that Behringer forgot to tell us.
> > >
> > > > Should beautyfully work for lots of 80's synths like bit01, ESQ80, or
> > > > even Yamaha Fm series, that are not supplied with standard CC
> > > > implemetation!
> > >
> > > There is a member that was trying to write a preset for his new Korg
> > > DW8000.
> > > I have a DW 6000 and wrote a preset to get him started.
> > > Check it out in the files section and it might help you get started in
> > > learning how to handle syex messages on the encoders.
> > >
> > > I am writing a number of presets for the FantomX (the first ones are
> > > also in the files section)
> > > It has so many parameters that it takes quite a few presets to access
> > >; all of them.
> > >
> > > I only had partial success with a preset for the Emu Morpheus as Emu use
> > > negative numbers and the BCR can't really cope with these (as far as I
> > > know) e.g. pan starts at -7 for hard left, -7 -6 -5 -4-3-2-1 0 for
> > > centre and then up to 7 for hard right
> > >
> > > Anyone have any thoughts on how to do this?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
>; > > > Anyone inspired?
> > >
> > > Always. When you get it going save it in the files section to inspire
> > > others and save them some programming time.
> > > If you get stuck post a message tell us what you are trying to do
> > > (perhaps write the MIDI message you are trying to send) and we'll all
> > > see if we can help.
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Royce
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: rpcfender

To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:44 PM

Subject: [bc2000] Re: Matrix 6 BCR editor beta.

Hi Art
> Just wanted to say that my BCR also puts out random values
periodically. Actually, 1) sometimes it's fine, sometimes it's not; 2)
the *timing* is random, but the actual output values are mostly the same
(the same value from the same encoder in the upper row); 3) I thought an
eprom update might help - but it didn't (I actually "updated" twice).
>
> My BCF does *not* have this problem.

What are the 'values' that it puts out?
Are they complete Midi messages or just random bytes?

I built a passive MIDI switch box many years ago and a loose connection
would 'play' my M1. Sounded amazing and very strange, but it happily put
out oscillations that the M1 thought was MIDI.

Swap all leads on the BCR for the BCF ones to rule out such problems.

All the best

Royce

----- Original Message -----

From: rpcfender

To: bc2000@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 6:51 AM

Subject: [bc2000] Re: Matrix 6 BCR editor beta.

Hi Art

>; I use only a power connection and MIDI Out A, and the same cables for my BCF (which behaves flawlessly) and my BCR. I've seated all connections securely.

Ok that rules that out
>
> These darned intermittent problems are the most difficult. It may be my imagination, but the BCR, when it acts up (acts out?), does so when it's first turned on. When it "warms up" it seems to settle down and "behave."

Ok, most metals expand when heated (as when current passes through them). This 'warming up' problem is often a symptom of a faulty solder joint or a slightly loose connector (on the inside of the BCR) or partial oxide on the connector.

If you are feeling brave, open up the case There are some pics of Steve opening his BCF
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/photos/browse/93d0
The top encoders and buttons are connected by a ribbon cable as I recall. You might like to check that this is seated correctly or even better pull it out and push it back in again. This should help fix both the oxide and the loose connector

Check the solder on the printed circuit board that all wires are connected and that there no strange blobs there. There shouldn't be as I am sure that the boards are wave soldered, but you never know.
Make sure there are no loose components (ie can you wiggle them? - light pressing) particularly the connector socket.


> You see how I'm now projecting human attributes onto the system!

But I thought they were better than human, Art....


Hope this helps

Royce

>
> Hi all
> 
> It is possible to save the the initial values within a Preset?
> When I power on the BCR the initial values on all Knobs an Buttons are 
> all on 0. Can I change this? So when I power up the BCR (or change the 
> preset) all Knobs and Buttons shows a different  value on the LCD Rings.
> 
> I would like to do this, to get a starting point for a initial Soft 
> Synth Preset (my Sequenzer does not Support Parameter Feedback).
> 
> Carma
>

> > 
> > I would like to do this, to get a starting point for a initial Soft 
> > Synth Preset (my Sequenzer does not Support Parameter Feedback).
> > 
> > Carma
> >
>

>
> Exactly, .default is the starting point for the controller
>
> If you want to output the values of all the controls when you change
> to that preset use
> ..snapshot on
> in the
> $preset
> section.
>
> When you change from one BC preset to another the current values are
> remembered and are returned to the controls when you reselect that
> preset. The .snapshot outputs theses values and that should sync your
> synth.
>
> You can send a snapshot at any time by holdig "EDIT" and pressing
> "<PRESET"
>
> >
> > Real easy! Just you use a ".default n" line
> > eg.
> >
> > .default 64
> >
> > -k0mp0
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bc2000%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> Carma Trepp <carma_trepp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > It is possible to save the the initial values within a Preset?
> > > When I power on the BCR the initial values on all Knobs an Buttons
> are
> > > all on 0. Can I change this? So when I power up the BCR (or change
> the
> > > preset) all Knobs and Buttons shows a different value on the LCD
> Rings.
> > >
> > > I would like to do this, to get a starting point for a initial Soft
> > > Synth Preset (my Sequenzer does not Support Parameter Feedback).
> > >
> > > Carma
> > >
> >
>
>