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question regarding CGS37

2007-02-12 by Jan Czmok

Hi,

i have a slight issue with 'CV Cluster' and the frontpanel i got.
I have pots:

- BASE1
- BASE2
-CV MOD1
-CV MOD2

and jacks:

- BASE 1 / BASE 2
- CV MOD 1 / CV MOD 2
- DOWN 1 to 4
- BOTTOM
- TOP
- UP 4-1

do i need 2 x CGS37 ? or can this accomplished with one ?

Thanks for any help


--jan

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-12 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

It looks like it's set up for a single unit, but with extra mixers at the
input. (e.g. a pair of CGS04)

Ken
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>Hi,
>
>i have a slight issue with 'CV Cluster' and the frontpanel i got.
>I have pots:
>
>- BASE1
>- BASE2
>-CV MOD1
>-CV MOD2
>
>and jacks:
>
>- BASE 1 / BASE 2
>- CV MOD 1 / CV MOD 2
>- DOWN 1 to 4
>- BOTTOM
>- TOP
>- UP 4-1
>
>do i need 2 x CGS37 ? or can this accomplished with one ?
>
>Thanks for any help
>
>
>--jan
>
>
>
>
>The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-12 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 12.02.2007, at 21:51, sasami@... wrote:
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> It looks like it's set up for a single unit, but with extra mixers
> at the
> input. (e.g. a pair of CGS04)
>
Well. Do you have more details regarding on how the wiring would be
correct ?
I probably need to buy those CGS04's then.

Any help appreciated.

--jan

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-13 by John Loffink

I think that was Jeff Pontius's panel - no longer with us.

It is a single CV Cluster.

You can add the second Base and CV input by adding 100K resistors in
parallel to the ones for the single Base and CV input. These go to op amp
summing nodes so no extra mixer needed.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sasami@...
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:26 PM
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] question regarding CGS37
>
>
> >
> >Well. Do you have more details regarding on how the wiring would be
> >correct ?
>
> See the person who designed the panel - not me.
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-13 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>I think that was Jeff Pontius's panel - no longer with us.

Ah. That would make it difficult. It's difficult for me to answer questions
about these various panels, as I neither have them of follow their designs.
I have enough trouble just trying to get around to doing my own! I must have
30 odd modules still sans-panel.

>It is a single CV Cluster.
>
>You can add the second Base and CV input by adding 100K resistors in
>parallel to the ones for the single Base and CV input. These go to op amp
>summing nodes so no extra mixer needed.
>

Thanks John.

Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-13 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 13.02.2007, at 05:20, John Loffink wrote:
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> I think that was Jeff Pontius's panel - no longer with us.
>
> It is a single CV Cluster.
>
> You can add the second Base and CV input by adding 100K resistors in
> parallel to the ones for the single Base and CV input. These go to
> op amp
> summing nodes so no extra mixer needed.
>
Okay, so let me try to get it right (and i surely will write a more
detailed information on my page
for all the others who have a similar design:

BASE1 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 1 pot right. middle BASE1
pot to IN pad on the pcb.
BASE2 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 2 pot right, middle base 1
pot to 100k ohms resistor, then to
IN pad on PCB.

The same applies to CV mod 1/2.

2) My assumption for the other pads (please tell me if i'm right:)

S/T pads are for the connection to EVEN/ODD SPDT
pad A - UP1
pad B - UP2
pad C - UP3
pad D - UP4
pad E - TOP
pad F - ??
pad K - DOWN1
pad J - DOWN2
pad I - DOWN3
pad G - DOWN4
PAD H - BOTTOM

If those are correct, i really start to understand to circuits much
better :-)

--jan

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-13 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Okay, so let me try to get it right (and i surely will write a more
>detailed information on my page
>for all the others who have a similar design:
>
>BASE1 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 1 pot right. middle BASE1
>pot to IN pad on the pcb.

Base 1 pot CCW end goes to 0V as well. This is so the pot forms a voltage
divider. Normally the F connection goes to the through jack, so it
accurately follows the input. Adding the pot messes thing up, so we will
save the trhu function for the BASE2 input. So no connection to thru here.

>BASE2 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 2 pot right, middle base 1
>pot to 100k ohms resistor, then to
>IN pad on PCB.

No. Base 2 jack goes to a 100k resistor (ordinary resistor) and the thru
jack. The other end of the resistor goes to pin 2 of the first chip.
Note: Base 2 is a direct input. The pot does not affect it.

>The same applies to CV mod 1/2.

The CV MOD 1 is wired to a pot in much the same way.
The CV MOD 2 is wired to two normal 100k resistors. The other end of one
resistor goes to pin 13 of the first chip. The other end of the second
resistor goes to pin 6 of the first chip.

>2) My assumption for the other pads (please tell me if i'm right:)

The top half is upside down.

>S/T pads are for the connection to EVEN/ODD SPDT
Correct.

Corrected:
>pad A - TOP
>pad B - UP4
>pad C - UP3
>pad D - UP2
>pad E - UP1
>pad F - Not used this time.
>pad K - DOWN1
>pad J - DOWN2
>pad I - DOWN3
>pad G - DOWN4
>PAD H - BOTTOM


Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-14 by John Loffink

Correcting:

Base 1 and 2 are identical. Both have input jacks, thru jacks, and pots.

Pot tab designations assume the pot is oriented so the tabs are on top, and
looking from the back of the pot.

Base 1 input jack to Base 1 thru jack to Base 1 pot left tab (CCW)
Base 1 pot middle tab to IN on PCB, 100K resistor.
Base 1 pot right tab to ground.

Base 2 is identical, except you need to add an extra 100K resistor that
isn't on the PCB. It solders to Base 2 pot middle tab on one end, and to
IC1 pin 2 (the summing node) on the other.

Use the same concept for the CV MOD 1 & 2. The extra 100K resistor for CV
MOD2 solders to IC1 pin 13.

John Loffink
The Microtonal Synthesis Web Site
http://www.microtonal-synthesis.com
The Wavemakers Synthesizer Web Site
http://www.wavemakers-synth.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sasami@...
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:25 PM
> To: cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cgs_synth] question regarding CGS37
>
>
> >Okay, so let me try to get it right (and i surely will write a more
> >detailed information on my page
> >for all the others who have a similar design:
> >
> >BASE1 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 1 pot right. middle BASE1
> >pot to IN pad on the pcb.
>
> Base 1 pot CCW end goes to 0V as well. This is so the pot forms a voltage
> divider. Normally the F connection goes to the through jack, so it
> accurately follows the input. Adding the pot messes thing up, so we will
> save the trhu function for the BASE2 input. So no connection to thru here.
>
> >BASE2 jack goes to THRU jack then to BASE 2 pot right, middle base 1
> >pot to 100k ohms resistor, then to
> >IN pad on PCB.
>
> No. Base 2 jack goes to a 100k resistor (ordinary resistor) and the thru
> jack. The other end of the resistor goes to pin 2 of the first chip.
> Note: Base 2 is a direct input. The pot does not affect it.
>
> >The same applies to CV mod 1/2.
>
> The CV MOD 1 is wired to a pot in much the same way.
> The CV MOD 2 is wired to two normal 100k resistors. The other end of one
> resistor goes to pin 13 of the first chip. The other end of the second
> resistor goes to pin 6 of the first chip.
>
> >2) My assumption for the other pads (please tell me if i'm right:)
>
> The top half is upside down.
>
> >S/T pads are for the connection to EVEN/ODD SPDT
> Correct.
>
> Corrected:
> >pad A - TOP
> >pad B - UP4
> >pad C - UP3
> >pad D - UP2
> >pad E - UP1
> >pad F - Not used this time.
> >pad K - DOWN1
> >pad J - DOWN2
> >pad I - DOWN3
> >pad G - DOWN4
> >PAD H - BOTTOM
>
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Ken Stone sasami@...
> Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/synth/>
> Australian Miniature Horses & Ponies <http://www.blaze.net.au/~sasami/>
>
>
>
> The CGS Modular Synth home page: http://www.cgs.synth.net/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: question regarding CGS37

2007-02-16 by Jan-Ahrent Czmok

On 14.02.2007, at 04:22, John Loffink wrote:
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> Correcting:
>
> Base 1 and 2 are identical. Both have input jacks, thru jacks, and
> pots.
>
> Pot tab designations assume the pot is oriented so the tabs are on
> top, and
> looking from the back of the pot.
>
> Base 1 input jack to Base 1 thru jack to Base 1 pot left tab (CCW)
> Base 1 pot middle tab to IN on PCB, 100K resistor.
> Base 1 pot right tab to ground.
>
> Base 2 is identical, except you need to add an extra 100K resistor
> that
> isn't on the PCB. It solders to Base 2 pot middle tab on one end,
> and to
> IC1 pin 2 (the summing node) on the other.
>
> Use the same concept for the CV MOD 1 & 2. The extra 100K resistor
> for CV
> MOD2 solders to IC1 pin 13.
>

Thanks for all help, it's working fine and stunningly special.

--jan

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