Datacolor User to User Support Group.

A while back CD offered a download of the new beta 2.0 of Printfix
Pro. Has anyone done this and has some information to share. I tried
to sign up but Photokina interupted our exchange.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny

Me Too! I have some profiling to do and would like to have it to try out.

Randy

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Eades" <jeades1@...>
wrote:

>
> A while back CD offered a download of the new beta 2.0 of Printfix
> Pro. Has anyone done this and has some information to share. I tried
> to sign up but Photokina interupted our exchange.
> 
> Your friend in Photography,
> 
> Johnny
>

In a message dated 10/12/06 12:34:29 AM, jeades1@... writes:


> A while back CD offered a download of the new beta 2.0 of Printfix
> Pro. Has anyone done this and has some information to share. I tried
> to sign up but Photokina interupted our exchange.
> 

We will be providing a working beta of PrintFIX PRO 2.0 to those who have 
signed up as beta testers (recently, or previously as v1 testers) very soon. 
Anyone who already owns PFP, and who would like to beta test v2 can contact me OFF 
LIST,   including your name, shipping address, and other contact info, and 
I'll add you to the beta list.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

Thanks CD, anyway since I have a 4000/7600 how will the new version
help me?


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 10/12/06 10:23:27 AM, rlphoto@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Me Too! I have some profiling to do and would like to have it to
try out.
> > 
> 
> Should be available soon enough for that. There were a few serious 
> photographers that tried it with me at Photokina who are now in the
same position; they 
> don't want to print their next batch of work without it, so we're under 
> pressure to get a beta ready soon, to allow people to meet their
various schedules.

> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Laskody" <rlphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks CD, anyway since I have a 4000/7600 how will the new version
> help me?

Go to this link for all the new features of PrintFixPro 2.0:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/colorvision_group/message/1370

Most of my work is color and of people on photo paper. The thing with
the old printfixpro was limited editing functions for the profile. The
global sliders where just too vague for what I needed for profile
adjustment. Am I reading I can use curves to edit my profiles? This
would be nice.

Randy Laskody

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 10/13/06 7:12:52 AM, rlphoto@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Thanks CD, anyway since I have a 4000/7600 how will the new version
> > help me?
> > 
> 
> It won't work magic, since it runs via the RGB driver; so whatever gray 
> generation your driver uses will be what you get. 4000/7600
generation printers, 
> that create light grays from LtC, LtM, and Y will still be less
precise than 
> more recent printers that use extra light gray to replace a lot of
the color in 
> neutrals and near neutrals of light tone. And the light grays will
still have 
> more metamerism under various light sources than the newer models as
well. But 
> if you are printing B&W using standard color inksets from these
printers now, 
> then PFP2 should improve your results doing so. It will be better
B&W, just 
> not gallery quality B&W. 
> 
> Gallery quality from these older models will still require a third
party 
> inkset and some method to drive it (and PrintFIX PRO may well be
used to linearize 
> and/or profile such systems, but not via standard ICC profiles). I'd
love to 
> see B&W oriented inksets that can be controlled via PrintFIX PRO2.0
profiles 
> developed, so that users can get gallery quality B&W with custom
profiling and 
> previewing from such printers by dedicating them to B&W only, but we
need to 
> get the first 2.0 release done and out to users before looking into
more 
> advanced issues like third party ink support.
> 
> At the moment PFP will support any color inkset that prints properly
through 
> the driver, and can be used with Paul Roark's "hack" for the R2400, by 
> replacing the yellow cart with one of his carbon-gray carts for B&W
printing. Whether 
> variations on that system for older models can be developed is still
an open 
> question, but Paul and I both see PrintFIX PRO profiling of
specialty inksets 

> as a good idea, worth pursuing in the future.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Randy:
Want to warn you about "pushing" profiles around too much--you can be
asking for trouble, such as posterizations, etc. 

Small adjustments are alright, but for the most part, I like to let
the profiles fall to the default, and use adjustment layers on
individual files to achieve precise results. After all, every image
will vary, and creating a custom profile for one, just creates a
problem for another. Unless you are photographing people under the
same consistent conditions, I don't think you really want to monkey
with profile changes. 

John Nollendorfs

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Laskody"
<rlphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Most of my work is color and of people on photo paper. The thing with
> the old printfixpro was limited editing functions for the profile. The
> global sliders where just too vague for what I needed for profile
> adjustment. Am I reading I can use curves to edit my profiles? This
> would be nice.
> 
> Randy Laskody
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> >
> > 
> > In a message dated 10/13/06 7:12:52 AM, rlphoto@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > Thanks CD, anyway since I have a 4000/7600 how will the new version
> > > help me?
> > > 
> > 
> > It won't work magic, since it runs via the RGB driver; so whatever
gray 
> > generation your driver uses will be what you get. 4000/7600
> generation printers, 
> > that create light grays from LtC, LtM, and Y will still be less
> precise than 
> > more recent printers that use extra light gray to replace a lot of
> the color in 
> > neutrals and near neutrals of light tone. And the light grays will
> still have 
> > more metamerism under various light sources than the newer models as
> well. But 
> > if you are printing B&W using standard color inksets from these
> printers now, 
> > then PFP2 should improve your results doing so. It will be better
> B&W, just 
> > not gallery quality B&W. 
> > 
> > Gallery quality from these older models will still require a third
> party 
> > inkset and some method to drive it (and PrintFIX PRO may well be
> used to linearize 
> > and/or profile such systems, but not via standard ICC profiles). I'd
> love to 
> > see B&W oriented inksets that can be controlled via PrintFIX PRO2.0
> profiles 
> > developed, so that users can get gallery quality B&W with custom
> profiling and 
> > previewing from such printers by dedicating them to B&W only, but we
> need to 
> > get the first 2.0 release done and out to users before looking into
> more 
> > advanced issues like third party ink support.
> > 
> > At the moment PFP will support any color inkset that prints properly
> through 
> > the driver, and can be used with Paul Roark's "hack" for the
R2400, by 

> > replacing the yellow cart with one of his carbon-gray carts for B&W
> printing. Whether 
> > variations on that system for older models can be developed is still
> an open 
> > question, but Paul and I both see PrintFIX PRO profiling of
> specialty inksets 
> > as a good idea, worth pursuing in the future.
> > 
> > C. David Tobie
> > Product Technology Manager
> > ColorVision Business Division
> > DataColor Inc.
> > CDTobie@
> > www.colorvision.com
> >
>

Thanks for the advice John, anyway I dont want to move much. For
instance I have a profile for illford pearl for my 4000. I am happy
with it color wise, but the darks want to block up a little sooner
than I want compared to my atkinson profiles. If I drop the contrast
with PFP slider, It starts flattening out the image. I dont want to
apply a PS adjustment to each image. It would get to confusing with my
production workflow. I print everything out of qimage.  IF I could
just tweek the bottom end some I would be happy. 

Randy

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001" <jnolly@...> wrote:
>
> Randy:
> Want to warn you about "pushing" profiles around too much--you can be
> asking for trouble, such as posterizations, etc. 
> 
> Small adjustments are alright, but for the most part, I like to let
> the profiles fall to the default, and use adjustment layers on
> individual files to achieve precise results. After all, every image
> will vary, and creating a custom profile for one, just creates a
> problem for another. Unless you are photographing people under the
> same consistent conditions, I don't think you really want to monkey
> with profile changes. 
> 
> John Nollendorfs
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Laskody"
> <rlphoto@> wrote:
> >
> > Most of my work is color and of people on photo paper. The thing with
> > the old printfixpro was limited editing functions for the profile. The
> > global sliders where just too vague for what I needed for profile
> > adjustment. Am I reading I can use curves to edit my profiles? This
> > would be nice.
> > 
> > Randy Laskody
> > 
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 10/13/06 7:12:52 AM, rlphoto@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Thanks CD, anyway since I have a 4000/7600 how will the new
version

> > > > help me?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It won't work magic, since it runs via the RGB driver; so whatever
> gray 
> > > generation your driver uses will be what you get. 4000/7600
> > generation printers, 
> > > that create light grays from LtC, LtM, and Y will still be less
> > precise than 
> > > more recent printers that use extra light gray to replace a lot of
> > the color in 
> > > neutrals and near neutrals of light tone. And the light grays will
> > still have 
> > > more metamerism under various light sources than the newer models as
> > well. But 
> > > if you are printing B&W using standard color inksets from these
> > printers now, 
> > > then PFP2 should improve your results doing so. It will be better
> > B&W, just 
> > > not gallery quality B&W. 
> > > 
> > > Gallery quality from these older models will still require a third
> > party 
> > > inkset and some method to drive it (and PrintFIX PRO may well be
> > used to linearize 
> > > and/or profile such systems, but not via standard ICC profiles). I'd
> > love to 
> > > see B&W oriented inksets that can be controlled via PrintFIX PRO2.0
> > profiles 
> > > developed, so that users can get gallery quality B&W with custom
> > profiling and 
> > > previewing from such printers by dedicating them to B&W only, but we
> > need to 
> > > get the first 2.0 release done and out to users before looking into
> > more 
> > > advanced issues like third party ink support.
> > > 
> > > At the moment PFP will support any color inkset that prints properly
> > through 
> > > the driver, and can be used with Paul Roark's "hack" for the
> R2400, by 
> > > replacing the yellow cart with one of his carbon-gray carts for B&W
> > printing. Whether 
> > > variations on that system for older models can be developed is still
> > an open 
> > > question, but Paul and I both see PrintFIX PRO profiling of
> > specialty inksets 
> > > as a good idea, worth pursuing in the future.
> > > 
> > > C. David Tobie
> > > Product Technology Manager
> > > ColorVision Business Division
> > > DataColor Inc.
> > > CDTobie@
> > > www.colorvision.com
> > >
> >
>

In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:05:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rlphoto@... writes:

Thanks  for the advice John, anyway I dont want to move much. For
instance I have a  profile for illford pearl for my 4000. I am happy
with it color wise, but  the darks want to block up a little sooner
than I want compared to my  atkinson profiles. If I drop the contrast
with PFP slider, It starts  flattening out the image. I dont want to
apply a PS adjustment to each  image. It would get to confusing with my
production workflow. I print  everything out of qimage.  IF I could
just tweek the bottom end some I  would be happy. 




Randy:
Are you using the newer Print Fix Pro.... if so, which version?
Also... Atkinson profiles for a 4000???
 
Richard (Brooklyn)

1.1


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CorrPro96@... wrote:

>
>  
> In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:05:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rlphoto@... writes:
> 
> Thanks  for the advice John, anyway I dont want to move much. For
> instance I have a  profile for illford pearl for my 4000. I am happy
> with it color wise, but  the darks want to block up a little sooner
> than I want compared to my  atkinson profiles. If I drop the contrast
> with PFP slider, It starts  flattening out the image. I dont want to
> apply a PS adjustment to each  image. It would get to confusing with my
> production workflow. I print  everything out of qimage.  IF I could
> just tweek the bottom end some I  would be happy. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Randy:
> Are you using the newer Print Fix Pro.... if so, which version?
> Also... Atkinson profiles for a 4000???
>  
> Richard (Brooklyn)
>

Great! Can I tweak my old PFP profiles?


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

> Yes, there are new sets of sliders that will offer more precision in
editing, 
> and you can also use a full set of Photoshop spline curves, with
edits to the 
> global curve, and/or any of the RGB channels. This is in addition to
all 
> other editing tools, so you can add shadow detail, tweek the ramp to
white, and 

> still apply a curve set as well.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Sounds like the new controls in PF2.0 will do exactly what you want! I
believe Tobey noted it has an option for opening up shadows for
printing papers that tend to block those kind of details up. Just what
you were hoping for!

I guess now all we have to do is wait for the new software. Tobey has
us all pretty well primed!

John Nollendorfs
--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Laskody"
<rlphoto@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice John, anyway I dont want to move much. For
> instance I have a profile for illford pearl for my 4000. I am happy
> with it color wise, but the darks want to block up a little sooner
> than I want compared to my atkinson profiles. If I drop the contrast
> with PFP slider, It starts flattening out the image. I dont want to
> apply a PS adjustment to each image. It would get to confusing with my
> production workflow. I print everything out of qimage.  IF I could
> just tweek the bottom end some I would be happy. 
> 
> Randy
SNIP