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Hello,
I am trying to make a paper profile using Piezo K7 Selenium. I am using 
an Epson 3800. When I print the 225 target I see some of the patches 
are using the cleaning solution. What procedure should I be using to 
make a black and white profile with this combination of ink and 
printer? 
Thanks,
Gary W.

Spyder3 Print profiles require inksets that follow the general rule of  
being drivable by an RGB profile. That means that you need to have in  
in all ink channels, and you need to have appropriate splits in all  
split ( light/dark) channels. It doesnt mean you have to have the  
right colors in the right slots, or colors at all, but the rules above  
have to be followed for an inkset to qualify as RGB profilable through  
the driver. If not, you would need to create curves or proprietary  
profiles with other software, for use with a RIP instead.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 AM, "garyphoto6" <gcwagner@...>  
wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to make a paper profile using Piezo K7 Selenium. I am  
> using
> an Epson 3800. When I print the 225 target I see some of the patches
> are using the cleaning solution. What procedure should I be using to
> make a black and white profile with this combination of ink and
> printer?
> Thanks,
> Gary W.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "garyphoto6" <gcwagner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am trying to make a paper profile using Piezo K7 Selenium. I am using 
> an Epson 3800. When I print the 225 target I see some of the patches 
> are using the cleaning solution. What procedure should I be using to 
> make a black and white profile with this combination of ink and 
> printer? 

Your best bet ask this on:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/messages

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP/messages

Hello,

My 3800 uses 8 working inks at one time. The K7 uses seven inks and has a
cleaning fluid in the LLK position. So if I were to replace the Piezo
cleaning fluid in the LLK position with a light tone Piezo ink  I should
then be able to use Spyder3 Print to profile the Piezo K7 inks correctly
using the 225 patches? I did some profile on the K3 inks that worked fine
and am now trying to use the K7 to profile some additional papers that I do
not have profile for. Is the 225 patches the best to use for this black and
white combination or would one of the other patches or the including the
black and white patches be a better choice? 

Thanks for your help.

Gary W. 

 

From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:02 AM
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Spyder 3 Print 3.5

 

Spyder3 Print profiles require inksets that follow the general rule of 
being drivable by an RGB profile. That means that you need to have in 
in all ink channels, and you need to have appropriate splits in all 
split ( light/dark) channels. It doesnt mean you have to have the 
right colors in the right slots, or colors at all, but the rules above 
have to be followed for an inkset to qualify as RGB profilable through 
the driver. If not, you would need to create curves or proprietary 
profiles with other software, for use with a RIP instead.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@... <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> 

On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 AM, "garyphoto6" <gcwagner@...
<mailto:gcwagner%40sbcglobal.net> > 
wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to make a paper profile using Piezo K7 Selenium. I am 
> using
> an Epson 3800. When I print the 225 target I see some of the patches
> are using the cleaning solution. What procedure should I be using to
> make a black and white profile with this combination of ink and
> printer?
> Thanks,
> Gary W.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Only if the splits split appropriately: meaning that any light  
components are appropriate reduced densities of the darker versions.  
That's what the RGB driver will expect from splits, and without that,  
there is no reasonable way to built RGB profiles. So this isn't really  
about Spyder3Print, it's about RGB profiling criteria.

C. D. Tobie
WW Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
DataColor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 22, 2008, at 1:09 AM, "Gary Wagner" <gcwagner@...>  
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My 3800 uses 8 working inks at one time. The K7 uses seven inks and  
> has a cleaning fluid in the LLK position. So if I were to replace  
> the Piezo cleaning fluid in the LLK position with a light tone Piezo  
> ink  I should then be able to use Spyder3 Print to profile the Piezo  
> K7 inks correctly using the 225 patches? I did some profile on the  
> K3 inks that worked fine and am now trying to use the K7 to profile  
> some additional papers that I do not have profile for. Is the 225  
> patches the best to use for this black and white combination or  
> would one of the other patches or the including the black and white  
> patches be a better choice?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Gary W.
>
>
>
> From: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Cdtobie
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:02 AM
> To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Spyder 3 Print 3.5
>
>
>
> Spyder3 Print profiles require inksets that follow the general rule of
> being drivable by an RGB profile. That means that you need to have in
> in all ink channels, and you need to have appropriate splits in all
> split ( light/dark) channels. It doesnt mean you have to have the
> right colors in the right slots, or colors at all, but the rules above
> have to be followed for an inkset to qualify as RGB profilable through
> the driver. If not, you would need to create curves or proprietary
> profiles with other software, for use with a RIP instead.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> WW Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> DataColor.com
> CDTobie@...
>
> On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 AM, "garyphoto6" <gcwagner@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I am trying to make a paper profile using Piezo K7 Selenium. I am
> > using
> > an Epson 3800. When I print the 225 target I see some of the patches
> > are using the cleaning solution. What procedure should I be using to
> > make a black and white profile with this combination of ink and
> > printer?
> > Thanks,
> > Gary W.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>