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Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Rollin

I just completed running a calibration on an EIZO CG222W monitor using the Color Navigator software and a Spyder3 colorimeter with the options set for 6500K, 2.2 gamma and brightness of 80 cd/m2.  After adjustments the sofware indicated that all values were in range (6516K, 2.2 gamma and 79.9 cd/m2).  I then used Spyder3 Elite to produce a profile for 6500K, 2.2 gamma with luminance mode set to manual.  

The "problem" is that the two profiles give a different appearance.  To the eye, the profile built by the Spyder3 Elite package appears to be warmer with a slighly greenish cast to the grays and whites.  

Now, should I color balance the monitor using the EIZO Color Navigator and leave it at that or should I then profile using the Spyder3 Elite on top of that and use that profile.

Of course there is always the question as to how I can get two profiles to what are basically the same settings that produce results that are markedly noticeable to the eye. 

Then, of course, I could be approaching the whole process on a monitor like this wrong.  I see some web posts that indicate by profiling using Spyder3 Elite (with the options chosen) on top of the ColorNaigator is "double profiling" which can produce incorrect profiles.  If I want to profile with just Spyder3 Elite then the question on this monitor of how do I adjust the brighness, color, etc.

For reference, I am running WinXP, ColorNavigator 5.1.0.10 and Spyder3 Elite 3.0.7.

Thanks,
Rollin

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Bob Frost

I asked Datacolor support the same question and the answer is that you 
should use the Eizo ColorNavigator software with your Spyder3 and CG222, 
because the Elite software does not handle the hardware calibration that the 
Eizo CG series monitors are capable of.

Bob Frost.

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From: "Rollin" <rhill3@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:53 AM
To: <datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

> I just completed running a calibration on an EIZO CG222W monitor using the 
> Color Navigator software and a Spyder3 colorimeter with the options set 
> for 6500K, 2.2 gamma and brightness of 80 cd/m2.  After adjustments the 
> sofware indicated that all values were in range (6516K, 2.2 gamma and 79.9 
> cd/m2).  I then used Spyder3 Elite to produce a profile for 6500K, 2.2 
> gamma with luminance mode set to manual.
>
> The "problem" is that the two profiles give a different appearance.  To 
> the eye, the profile built by the Spyder3 Elite package appears to be 
> warmer with a slighly greenish cast to the grays and whites.
>
> Now, should I color balance the monitor using the EIZO Color Navigator and 
> leave it at that or should I then profile using the Spyder3 Elite on top 
> of that and use that profile.
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Cdtobie

Try running Spyder3Elite at gamma 2.2, native whitepoint, visual  
luminance, and be sure that there are no other utilities flashing the  
video LUTs after S3Utility does. It's easy enough to switch between  
the two profiles on the Mac, bur more difficult to run this type of  
comparison under Windows.

You won't run into double profiling issues if the S3 profile is  
correctly built on static Eizo settings to the target values noted  
above; but you may still run into LUT application issues under Windows  
if you aren't careful.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...
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On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:53 PM, "Rollin" <rhill3@...> wrote:

> I just completed running a calibration on an EIZO CG222W monitor  
> using the Color Navigator software and a Spyder3 colorimeter with  
> the options set for 6500K, 2.2 gamma and brightness of 80 cd/m2.   
> After adjustments the sofware indicated that all values were in  
> range (6516K, 2.2 gamma and 79.9 cd/m2).  I then used Spyder3 Elite  
> to produce a profile for 6500K, 2.2 gamma with luminance mode set to  
> manual.
>
> The "problem" is that the two profiles give a different appearance.   
> To the eye, the profile built by the Spyder3 Elite package appears  
> to be warmer with a slighly greenish cast to the grays and whites.
>
> Now, should I color balance the monitor using the EIZO Color  
> Navigator and leave it at that or should I then profile using the  
> Spyder3 Elite on top of that and use that profile.
>
> Of course there is always the question as to how I can get two  
> profiles to what are basically the same settings that produce  
> results that are markedly noticeable to the eye.
>
> Then, of course, I could be approaching the whole process on a  
> monitor like this wrong.  I see some web posts that indicate by  
> profiling using Spyder3 Elite (with the options chosen) on top of  
> the ColorNaigator is "double profiling" which can produce incorrect  
> profiles.  If I want to profile with just Spyder3 Elite then the  
> question on this monitor of how do I adjust the brighness, color, etc.
>
> For reference, I am running WinXP, ColorNavigator 5.1.0.10 and  
> Spyder3 Elite 3.0.7.
>
> Thanks,
> Rollin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Cdtobie

Which is great, as long as you don't have another attached display you  
need to calibrate, which the Eizo software can't do. Then you need to  
improvise as we've been discussing, or use ColorEyes, which works with  
the proprietary internal functions, plus allows for multiple display  
calibration.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...
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On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:34 AM, "Bob Frost" <bob@...> wrote:

> I asked Datacolor support the same question and the answer is that you
> should use the Eizo ColorNavigator software with your Spyder3 and  
> CG222,
> because the Elite software does not handle the hardware calibration  
> that the
> Eizo CG series monitors are capable of.
>
> Bob Frost.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rollin" <rhill3@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:53 AM
> To: <datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo
>
>> I just completed running a calibration on an EIZO CG222W monitor  
>> using the
>> Color Navigator software and a Spyder3 colorimeter with the options  
>> set
>> for 6500K, 2.2 gamma and brightness of 80 cd/m2.  After adjustments  
>> the
>> sofware indicated that all values were in range (6516K, 2.2 gamma  
>> and 79.9
>> cd/m2).  I then used Spyder3 Elite to produce a profile for 6500K,  
>> 2.2
>> gamma with luminance mode set to manual.
>>
>> The "problem" is that the two profiles give a different  
>> appearance.  To
>> the eye, the profile built by the Spyder3 Elite package appears to be
>> warmer with a slighly greenish cast to the grays and whites.
>>
>> Now, should I color balance the monitor using the EIZO Color  
>> Navigator and
>> leave it at that or should I then profile using the Spyder3 Elite  
>> on top
>> of that and use that profile.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Bob Frost

Hi David,

My ColorNavigator 5.2.2 allows me to calibrate and profile two different 
Eizo CG monitors attached at the same time, and the ColorAgent utility with 
it allows instant switching of the calibration/profile on either of the 
monitors. At least it seems to unless I'm missing something.

Bob Frost.

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From: "Cdtobie" <CDTobie@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:46 AM
To: <datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

> Which is great, as long as you don't have another attached display you
> need to calibrate, which the Eizo software can't do. Then you need to
> improvise as we've been discussing, or use ColorEyes, which works with
> the proprietary internal functions, plus allows for multiple display
> calibration.

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by Bob Frost

Just to add, the two things ColorNavigator 5.2.2 says you can't do with a 
Spyder are use gray-balance priority for calibrating, or run it on Vista64. 
This last point seems strange, in that it does work with a Spyder3 on 
Vista64, but the results are not very good compared with an i1Pro. The 
validation gives some very large errors with the Spyder3; is this because it 
really doesn't work properly on Vista64 (or have I got a duff Spyder3?)?

Bob Frost.


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From: "Bob Frost" <bob@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:36 PM
To: <datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

> Hi David,
>
> My ColorNavigator 5.2.2 allows me to calibrate and profile two different
> Eizo CG monitors attached at the same time, and the ColorAgent utility 
> with
> it allows instant switching of the calibration/profile on either of the
> monitors. At least it seems to unless I'm missing something.

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by C D Tobie

On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Bob Frost wrote:

> My ColorNavigator 5.2.2 allows me to calibrate and profile two  
> different
> Eizo CG monitors attached at the same time

Right; most people's second display isn't a second high end Eizo...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

Re: [datacolor_group] Calibrating "Top End" Monitor Like An Eizo

2009-07-01 by C D Tobie

On Jul 1, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Bob Frost wrote:

> Just to add, the two things ColorNavigator 5.2.2 says you can't do  
> with a
> Spyder are use gray-balance priority for calibrating, or run it on  
> Vista64.
> This last point seems strange, in that it does work with a Spyder3 on
> Vista64, but the results are not very good compared with an i1Pro. The
> validation gives some very large errors with the Spyder3; is this  
> because it
> really doesn't work properly on Vista64 (or have I got a duff  
> Spyder3?)?

I was not aware of this limitation. Certainly the Spyder3 itself has  
no issues with Vista64; our own software runs it there. So its  
something to do with Eizo's software... and if they say not to do it,  
then you shouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't work correctly when  
you try it...

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...

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