Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hello all,

I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to compensate when 
printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But I have 
exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and getting 
a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong yellow cast 
and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check the 
profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and don't know 
what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my probems, 
has anyone got an idea?
Thanks very much for your help

Stephan

Hello Stephan,
maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
for example skylight through a north side window.
Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 12-15)
to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your prints.

Best,
Peter


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:

>
> Hello all,
> 
> I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to compensate when 
> printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But I have 
> exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and getting 
> a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong yellow cast 
> and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check the 
> profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and don't know 
> what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my probems, 
> has anyone got an idea?
> Thanks very much for your help
> 
> Stephan
>

Hi Peter,

Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different 
lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow 
cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when 
I use Illford profiles...)

Stephan



--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk" 
<peter_woelk@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Stephan,
> maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> for example skylight through a north side window.
> Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 12-
15)
> to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your 
prints.
> 
> Best,
> Peter
> 
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to 
compensate when 
> > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But I 
have 
> > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and 
getting 
> > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong yellow 
cast 
> > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check the 
> > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and don't 
know 
> > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my 
probems, 

> > has anyone got an idea?
> > Thanks very much for your help
> > 
> > Stephan
> >
>

what rendering intent are you printing it with and how strong is the yellowish cast? -- ... xun911@gmail.com www.xun-wang.com

>>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different
lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when
I use Illford profiles...)

Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application 
method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be 
applied at the application level, with driver color management set to 
"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let photoshop 
determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I choose the 
paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM box and 
choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed "test 
profile".
Thank you for your help

Stephan



************************************
Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
Imperial College School of Medicine
Hammersmith Hospital
Du Cane Road
London W12 ONN
UK
Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
************************************

>From: CDTobie@...
>Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
>prints
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
>
> >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different
>lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
>cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when
>I use Illford profiles...)
>
>Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application
>method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
>applied at the application level, with driver color management set to
>"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?
>
>C. David Tobie
>Product Technology Manager
>ColorVision, Inc.
>CDTobie@...
>www.colorvision.com

I have tried with all 4 rendering options and with or without black 
point comp still the same yellow cast. The cast is really obvious 
(looks really bad)
Thanks

Stephan


>
> what rendering intent are you printing it with and how strong is the
> yellowish cast?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> ::Xun Wang::
> xun911@...
> www.xun-wang.com
> 
> On 4/10/06, ellmer67 <stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under 
different
> > lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens 
when
> > I use Illford profiles...)
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk"
> > <peter_woelk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Stephan,
> > > maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> > > for example skylight through a north side window.
> > > Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 
12-
> > 15)
> > > to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your
> > prints.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> > > <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to
> > compensate when
> > > > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But 
I
> > have
> > > > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and
> > getting
> > > > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong 
yellow
> > cast
> > > > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check 
the
> > > > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and 
don't

> > know
> > > > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my
> > probems,
> > > > has anyone got an idea?
> > > > Thanks very much for your help
> > > >
> > > > Stephan
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi again Stephan,
try to use another application for printing, Qimage for example.
That will be one way to figure out if something is wrong with your
photoshop workflow. By the way I think photoshop is not the optimal
choice for printing photos, processing them yes, but not for printing.
You can download a trial version of Qimage from www.ddisoftware.com.
Will have an eye on this thread and help if you have problems with Qimage.

Best,
Peter


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:

>
> I have tried with all 4 rendering options and with or without black 
> point comp still the same yellow cast. The cast is really obvious 
> (looks really bad)
> Thanks
> 
> Stephan
> 
> 
> >
> > what rendering intent are you printing it with and how strong is the
> > yellowish cast?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > ::Xun Wang::
> > xun911@
> > www.xun-wang.com
> > 
> > On 4/10/06, ellmer67 <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under 
> different
> > > lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > > cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens 
> when
> > > I use Illford profiles...)
> > >
> > > Stephan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk"
> > > <peter_woelk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Stephan,
> > > > maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> > > > for example skylight through a north side window.
> > > > Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 
> 12-
> > > 15)
> > > > to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your
> > > prints.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> > > > <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to
> > > compensate when
> > > > > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But 
> I
> > > have
> > > > > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and
> > > getting
> > > > > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong 
> yellow
> > > cast
> > > > > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check 
> the
> > > > > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and 
> don't
> > > know
> > > > > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my
> > > probems,
> > > > > has anyone got an idea?
> > > > > Thanks very much for your help
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Peter,

I will try your suggestion but the problem is that I get the yellow cast 
even when I print the test profile page from PFP itself (not using PSCS2)...

Stephan



************************************
Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
Imperial College School of Medicine
Hammersmith Hospital
Du Cane Road
London W12 ONN
UK
Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
************************************

>From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
>Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
>prints
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:40:38 -0000
>
>Hi again Stephan,
>try to use another application for printing, Qimage for example.
>That will be one way to figure out if something is wrong with your
>photoshop workflow. By the way I think photoshop is not the optimal
>choice for printing photos, processing them yes, but not for printing.
>You can download a trial version of Qimage from www.ddisoftware.com.
>Will have an eye on this thread and help if you have problems with Qimage.
>
>Best,
>Peter
>
>
>--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
><stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have tried with all 4 rendering options and with or without black
> > point comp still the same yellow cast. The cast is really obvious
> > (looks really bad)
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> > >
> > > what rendering intent are you printing it with and how strong is the
> > > yellowish cast?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ::Xun Wang::
> > > xun911@
> > > www.xun-wang.com
> > >
> > > On 4/10/06, ellmer67 <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under
> > different
> > > > lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > > > cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens
> > when
> > > > I use Illford profiles...)
> > > >
> > > > Stephan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk"
> > > > <peter_woelk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Stephan,
> > > > > maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> > > > > for example skylight through a north side window.
> > > > > Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool
> > 12-
> > > > 15)
> > > > > to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your
> > > > prints.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> > > > > <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to
> > > > compensate when
> > > > > > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and
> > > > getting
> > > > > > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong
> > yellow
> > > > cast
> > > > > > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check
> > the
> > > > > > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and
> > don't
> > > > know
> > > > > > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my
> > > > probems,
> > > > > > has anyone got an idea?
> > > > > > Thanks very much for your help
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

Hello Stephen,

I too ran into a similar situation when first using Printfix Pro to
create a printer/paper/ink profile. It was s misunderstanding on my
part on where to apply the printer profile and when. I found that when
using Photoshop, it had to be done at the very beginning of the
workflow. This is the method that worked for me.

Open your image in photoshop and then Edit>Convert to Profile:Costco
Glossy Paper
View>Costco Glossy Color (this can also be chosen by Ctrl-Y (windows
if you have used the profile before)
Print with Preview>Options>Color handling--Let Photoshop determine
colors. Printer Profile>Costco Glossy Color
Then go through your usual Page setup and then print your image. Your
yellow cast should go away. I had a blue cast and this solved that
problem and led me to my color world after working in BW for 40 years.

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny Eades




In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different 
> lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow 
> cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when 
> I use Illford profiles...)
> 
> Stephan
> 
> 
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk" 
> <peter_woelk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Stephan,
> > maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> > for example skylight through a north side window.
> > Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 12-
> 15)
> > to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your 
> prints.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> > <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to 
> compensate when 
> > > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But I 
> have 
> > > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and 
> getting 
> > > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong yellow 
> cast 
> > > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check the 
> > > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and don't 
> know 
> > > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my 
> probems, 
> > > has anyone got an idea?
> > > Thanks very much for your help
> > > 
> > > Stephan
> > >
> >
>

Stephan,
if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
reinstaling the latest printer driver. 
But let me also count some things.
a) Nozzle check is ok.
b) Print Head Allignment is done
c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
e) Print Type is set to none.
f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)

We will fix it !
Peter

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
>
> I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
photoshop 
> determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I choose the 
> paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM
box and 
> choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed
"test 
> profile".
> Thank you for your help
> 
> Stephan
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************
> Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> Imperial College School of Medicine
> Hammersmith Hospital
> Du Cane Road
> London W12 ONN
> UK
> Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> ************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: CDTobie@...
> >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
cast in 

> >prints
> >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> >
> > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different
> >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when
> >I use Illford profiles...)
> >
> >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application
> >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
> >applied at the application level, with driver color management set to
> >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?
> >
> >C. David Tobie
> >Product Technology Manager
> >ColorVision, Inc.
> >CDTobie@...
> >www.colorvision.com
>

Hi Peter,

Or at least start with installing or
>reinstaling the latest printer driver.

Done still the same

>a) Nozzle check is ok.

done

>b) Print Head Allignment is done

done

>c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.

yes

>d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.

yes

>e) Print Type is set to none.

yes

>f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.

yes

>g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
>useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)

tried different paper media, problem still there.
I will try to print from another computer

many thanks

Stephan

forgot to say, I tried Qimage and the yellow cast is still there...


> Stephan,
> if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
> computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
> system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
> reinstaling the latest printer driver. 
> But let me also count some things.
> a) Nozzle check is ok.
> b) Print Head Allignment is done
> c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
> d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
> e) Print Type is set to none.
> f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
> g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
> useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)
> 
> We will fix it !
> Peter
> 
> --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
> <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> >
> > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
> photoshop 
> > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I 
choose the 
> > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the 
ICM
> box and 
> > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed
> "test 
> > profile".
> > Thank you for your help
> > 
> > Stephan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ************************************
> > Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> > Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> > Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> > Imperial College School of Medicine
> > Hammersmith Hospital
> > Du Cane Road
> > London W12 ONN
> > UK
> > Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> > ************************************
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: CDTobie@
> > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
> cast in 
> > >prints
> > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> > >
> > > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under 
different
> > >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no 
yellow
> > >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens 
when
> > >I use Illford profiles...)
> > >
> > >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile 
application
> > >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
> > >applied at the application level, with driver color management 
set to
> > >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones 
can?

> > >
> > >C. David Tobie
> > >Product Technology Manager
> > >ColorVision, Inc.
> > >CDTobie@
> > >www.colorvision.com
> >
>

Hello Peter,

I just tried to print from my laptop and unfortunately still the same 
problem, I am really running out of ideas...

Stephan

>From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
>Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
>prints
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:40:16 -0000
>
>Stephan,
>if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
>computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
>system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
>reinstaling the latest printer driver.
>But let me also count some things.
>a) Nozzle check is ok.
>b) Print Head Allignment is done
>c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
>d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
>e) Print Type is set to none.
>f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
>g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
>useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)
>
>We will fix it !
>Peter
>
>--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
><stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
> >
> > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
>photoshop
> > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I choose the
> > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM
>box and
> > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed
>"test
> > profile".
> > Thank you for your help
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************
> > Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> > Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> > Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> > Imperial College School of Medicine
> > Hammersmith Hospital
> > Du Cane Road
> > London W12 ONN
> > UK
> > Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: CDTobie@...
> > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
>cast in
> > >prints
> > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> > >
> > > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different
> > >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when
> > >I use Illford profiles...)
> > >
> > >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application
> > >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
> > >applied at the application level, with driver color management set to
> > >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?
> > >
> > >C. David Tobie
> > >Product Technology Manager
> > >ColorVision, Inc.
> > >CDTobie@...
> > >www.colorvision.com
> >
>
>
>

Hi Stephan,
years ago I had an i9000 and mine (and others too I heard in forums)
had sometimes a problem with the light cyan cart which results in
yellowish prints. I have no experiences with the i9950, but I think it
too uses the light colors twice or three times more intense than the
other colors (i9000 did).
This high volume usage caused a failure (sucking air?) mostly of light
cyan...at that time a nozze check or simple test image was ok, only
when used heavily, it failed. Replacing the light cyan cart (it never
was empty!) was the solution for two or three of those cart incidents.

Best,
Peter


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Peter,
> 
> I just tried to print from my laptop and unfortunately still the same 
> problem, I am really running out of ideas...
> 
> Stephan
> 
> >From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
> >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
> >prints
> >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:40:16 -0000
> >
> >Stephan,
> >if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
> >computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
> >system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
> >reinstaling the latest printer driver.
> >But let me also count some things.
> >a) Nozzle check is ok.
> >b) Print Head Allignment is done
> >c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
> >d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
> >e) Print Type is set to none.
> >f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
> >g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
> >useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)
> >
> >We will fix it !
> >Peter
> >
> >--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
> ><stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
> >photoshop
> > > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I
choose the
> > > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM
> >box and
> > > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed
> >"test
> > > profile".
> > > Thank you for your help
> > >
> > > Stephan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ************************************
> > > Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> > > Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> > > Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> > > Imperial College School of Medicine
> > > Hammersmith Hospital
> > > Du Cane Road
> > > London W12 ONN
> > > UK
> > > Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> > > ************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: CDTobie@
> > > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
> >cast in
> > > >prints
> > > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> > > >
> > > > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under
different
> > > >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > > >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same
happens when
> > > >I use Illford profiles...)
> > > >
> > > >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application
> > > >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
> > > >applied at the application level, with driver color management
set to

> > > >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?
> > > >
> > > >C. David Tobie
> > > >Product Technology Manager
> > > >ColorVision, Inc.
> > > >CDTobie@
> > > >www.colorvision.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Peter,

Well, to be on the safe side I have put 8 new cartridges and it doesn't 
improve things. And I don't think it could be the problem because I get 
fairly good colours when using the printer's drivers (but not perfect...)

Stephan

>From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
>Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
>prints
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:49:23 -0000
>
>Hi Stephan,
>years ago I had an i9000 and mine (and others too I heard in forums)
>had sometimes a problem with the light cyan cart which results in
>yellowish prints. I have no experiences with the i9950, but I think it
>too uses the light colors twice or three times more intense than the
>other colors (i9000 did).
>This high volume usage caused a failure (sucking air?) mostly of light
>cyan...at that time a nozze check or simple test image was ok, only
>when used heavily, it failed. Replacing the light cyan cart (it never
>was empty!) was the solution for two or three of those cart incidents.
>
>Best,
>Peter
>
>
>--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
><stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Peter,
> >
> > I just tried to print from my laptop and unfortunately still the same
> > problem, I am really running out of ideas...
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> > >From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
> > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in
> > >prints
> > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:40:16 -0000
> > >
> > >Stephan,
> > >if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
> > >computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
> > >system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
> > >reinstaling the latest printer driver.
> > >But let me also count some things.
> > >a) Nozzle check is ok.
> > >b) Print Head Allignment is done
> > >c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
> > >d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
> > >e) Print Type is set to none.
> > >f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
> > >g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
> > >useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)
> > >
> > >We will fix it !
> > >Peter
> > >
> > >--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
> > ><stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
> > >photoshop
> > > > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I
>choose the
> > > > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM
> > >box and
> > > > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > > > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed
> > >"test
> > > > profile".
> > > > Thank you for your help
> > > >
> > > > Stephan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ************************************
> > > > Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> > > > Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> > > > Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> > > > Imperial College School of Medicine
> > > > Hammersmith Hospital
> > > > Du Cane Road
> > > > London W12 ONN
> > > > UK
> > > > Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> > > > ************************************
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: CDTobie@
> > > > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
> > >cast in
> > > > >prints
> > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under
>different
> > > > >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > > > >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same
>happens when
> > > > >I use Illford profiles...)
> > > > >
> > > > >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile application
> > > > >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need to be
> > > > >applied at the application level, with driver color management
>set to
> > > > >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned ones can?
> > > > >
> > > > >C. David Tobie
> > > > >Product Technology Manager
> > > > >ColorVision, Inc.
> > > > >CDTobie@
> > > > >www.colorvision.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

I am actually using Canon OEM inks with Ilford Classic Pearl paper on Canon 
i9950 printer

>
> > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let 
>photoshop
> > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I choose the
> > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck the ICM box 
>and
> > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the printed "test
> > profile".
> >
>Sounds like a viable workflow. Yet you get casts in two companies' profiles
>and in raw prints.
>
>I don't recall what combination you are using, but there's something 
>unusual
>going on here....
>
>If you are using Epson inks, the cross test is to print via the Epson
>profiles, using them in the same location, with the same workflow, as 
>custom
>profiles. You should not get a yellow cast with Ilford and ColorVision 
>profiles via
>that flow, while not getting it with Epson profiles used in the same 
>manner.
>
>C. David Tobie
>Product Technology Manager
>ColorVision Business Unit
>Datacolor Inc.
>CDTobie@...
>www.colorvision.com

Today I used the calibration tool in PFP (black/white) and then 
measured the white patch and it reads it as grey-ish not white. Is this 
normal?
Also the colours on the printed target are closer to what I see on the 
screen (calibrated with the spider) than the colours read by the 
spectro...


> If you are using Epson inks, the cross test is to print via the Epson 
> profiles, using them in the same location, with the same workflow, as 
custom 
> profiles. You should not get a yellow cast with Ilford and 
ColorVision profiles via 
> that flow, while not getting it with Epson profiles used in the same 
manner.

> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67" <stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
>
> Today I used the calibration tool in PFP (black/white) and then 
> measured the white patch and it reads it as grey-ish not white. Is this 
> normal?
> Also the colours on the printed target are closer to what I see on the 
> screen (calibrated with the spider) than the colours read by the 
> spectro...
SNIP

The white calibration patch reads .12 density on mine, the Black reads 2.28. 

The printed target colors tend to look brighter than what the spectro reading seems to 
show. But this is probably because the "pure" phosphor image on the screen is near the 
full gamut possible, while what is printed on the paper is a lot more limited than that!

While reading the patches you see the comparison of what the paper actually is recording 
for a patch, compared to the full gamut possible for that patch.

This difference is what the profiling program reconciliates, to give you the best possible 
results on the paper being profiled.

On good quality inkjet papers, I find in reproducing paintings, I find I have to "throttle" 
back the saturation of the file to make it match the original art. The beauty of PFP is that 
you can customize your profile to match your desired result by using the sliders!

John Nollendorfs

Stephan,
...phew, take one of your yellowish prints and look at it under an old
fashion bulb light (between 40 and 100 Watts) please. Make sure that
no other light comes into the room (from outside or from any other
light source) please let me know if the yellowish print looks obvious
more neutral under the bulb.

Best, 
Peter

PS
I saw that you call the 'spectrocolorimeter' a 'spectro'. If you
continue doing this, the digidog will come along and bark at you! :)
...sorry, that was an insider joke, but I could not resist.





--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
<stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Well, to be on the safe side I have put 8 new cartridges and it doesn't 
> improve things. And I don't think it could be the problem because I get 
> fairly good colours when using the printer's drivers (but not
perfect...)
> 
> Stephan
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@...>
> >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow cast in 
> >prints
> >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:49:23 -0000
> >
> >Hi Stephan,
> >years ago I had an i9000 and mine (and others too I heard in forums)
> >had sometimes a problem with the light cyan cart which results in
> >yellowish prints. I have no experiences with the i9950, but I think it
> >too uses the light colors twice or three times more intense than the
> >other colors (i9000 did).
> >This high volume usage caused a failure (sucking air?) mostly of light
> >cyan...at that time a nozze check or simple test image was ok, only
> >when used heavily, it failed. Replacing the light cyan cart (it never
> >was empty!) was the solution for two or three of those cart incidents.
> >
> >Best,
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
> ><stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Peter,
> > >
> > > I just tried to print from my laptop and unfortunately still the
same
> > > problem, I am really running out of ideas...
> > >
> > > Stephan
> > >
> > > >From: "peter_woelk" <peter_woelk@>
> > > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon i9950=yellow
cast in
> > > >prints
> > > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:40:16 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Stephan,
> > > >if you have a chance to test your printer connected to another
> > > >computer, then do it! Now I'm so far to believe that your current
> > > >system is corrupted someways. Or at least start with installing or
> > > >reinstaling the latest printer driver.
> > > >But let me also count some things.
> > > >a) Nozzle check is ok.
> > > >b) Print Head Allignment is done
> > > >c) You're using the Canon OEM inks.
> > > >d) ICM checkbox is unchecked.
> > > >e) Print Type is set to none.
> > > >f) All other colour sliders are set to neutral.
> > > >g) Correct Media Type is selected (Photo Paper Pro Media setting is
> > > >useless for every other paper than Canon PR-101 !)
> > > >
> > > >We will fix it !
> > > >Peter
> > > >
> > > >--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Ellmerich"
> > > ><stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I use PSCS2 and apply the profiles in "print with preview" "let
> > > >photoshop
> > > > > determine colors" then in the printer driver (canon i9950) I
> >choose the
> > > > > paper quality, the size and the orientation. I also uncheck
the ICM
> > > >box and
> > > > > choose "none" in the list. I don't know what I am doing wrong...
> > > > > The other thing is that there is a yellow cast even in the
printed
> > > >"test
> > > > > profile".
> > > > > Thank you for your help
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ************************************
> > > > > Stephan Ellmerich, PhD
> > > > > Human Disease Immunogenetics Group
> > > > > Dept of Infectious Diseases and Immunity
> > > > > Imperial College School of Medicine
> > > > > Hammersmith Hospital
> > > > > Du Cane Road
> > > > > London W12 ONN
> > > > > UK
> > > > > Tel 0044 (0)208 383 4238
> > > > > ************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: CDTobie@
> > > > > >Reply-To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [colorvision_group] Re: PFP+PSCS2+Canon
i9950=yellow
> > > >cast in
> > > > > >prints
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:08:51 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under
> >different
> > > > > >lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no
yellow
> > > > > >cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same
> >happens when
> > > > > >I use Illford profiles...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Sounds like its not PrintFIX PRO then, but your profile
application
> > > > > >method. First off; are you aware that custom profiles need
to be
> > > > > >applied at the application level, with driver color management
> >set to
> > > > > >"none"; instead of being applied at the driver, as canned
ones can?

> > > > > >
> > > > > >C. David Tobie
> > > > > >Product Technology Manager
> > > > > >ColorVision, Inc.
> > > > > >CDTobie@
> > > > > >www.colorvision.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk" 
> PS
> I saw that you call the 'spectrocolorimeter' a 'spectro'. If you
> continue doing this, the digidog will come along and bark at you! :)
> ...sorry, that was an insider joke, but I could not resist.
> 


.... but it is a "spectro".  You mean people get confused between
spectrocolorimeter and spectrophotometer?  Yes sometimes they do. 
Technicaly our eyes are spectrocolorimeters not spectrophotometers ...
really fancy ones at that!  It just makes the physics of color vision
that much more fascinating.

Tom

peter_woelk wrote:

>
>PS
>I saw that you call the 'spectrocolorimeter' a 'spectro'. If you
>continue doing this, the digidog will come along and bark at you! :)
>  
>

A few observations:

1)   Dogs are red-green colorblind 
(http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/LA/DrP4.htm ). Unless I want to have 
problems with my greens, what use would a digital dog be in color 
management?  Besides getting the newspaper...

2)  THE Digital Dog had an SEC non-disclosure complaint lodged against 
him.  He may be too busy worrying about the Feds and keeping his 
consulting contracts after wagging his tongue (the complaint named those 
firms as well) to bark.  ;-)

3)  Do digital dogs use digital hydrants?
 
Keith

 
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Hi,

I just tried your suggestion and converted to the custom profile but still 
the same problem. The profile provided by Ilford is way better but not 
perfect...

Stephan

>
>Hello Stephen,
>
>I too ran into a similar situation when first using Printfix Pro to
>create a printer/paper/ink profile. It was s misunderstanding on my
>part on where to apply the printer profile and when. I found that when
>using Photoshop, it had to be done at the very beginning of the
>workflow. This is the method that worked for me.
>
>Open your image in photoshop and then Edit>Convert to Profile:Costco
>Glossy Paper
>View>Costco Glossy Color (this can also be chosen by Ctrl-Y (windows
>if you have used the profile before)
>Print with Preview>Options>Color handling--Let Photoshop determine
>colors. Printer Profile>Costco Glossy Color
>Then go through your usual Page setup and then print your image. Your
>yellow cast should go away. I had a blue cast and this solved that
>problem and led me to my color world after working in BW for 40 years.
>
>Your friend in Photography,
>
>Johnny Eades
>
>
>
>
>In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
><stephanellmerich@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply but I have the same problem under different
> > lighting and printing without using the profile is good (no yellow
> > cast) so the problem comes when using profiles (the same happens when
> > I use Illford profiles...)
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "peter_woelk"
> > <peter_woelk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Stephan,
> > > maybe your viewing condition is very cool light (~10000 Kelvin),
> > > for example skylight through a north side window.
> > > Try the PreciseLight Color Teperature slider to the right (cool 12-
> > 15)
> > > to compensate that or/and try annother light for viewing your
> > prints.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "ellmer67"
> > > <stephanellmerich@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I bought PFP because I was fed up with always having to
> > compensate when
> > > > printing on Illford Classic Pearl paper and Canon papers. But I
> > have
> > > > exactly the same problem now, after calibrating my monitor and
> > getting
> > > > a profile for my printer/paper. I am still getting a srong yellow
> > cast
> > > > and this is present even in the test print from PFP to check the
> > > > profile (although a bit less obvious). I am really lost and don't
> > know
> > > > what to do anymore... I thought this product would solve my
> > probems,
> > > > has anyone got an idea?
> > > > Thanks very much for your help
> > > >
> > > > Stephan
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

Hi,

On mine the white reads L=90.63  a=-1.19 b=-1.22  and black L=6.23  a=1.79  
b=-3.35

Stephan

>The white calibration patch reads .12 density on mine, the Black reads 
>2.28.
>
>The printed target colors tend to look brighter than what the spectro 
>reading seems to
>show. But this is probably because the "pure" phosphor image on the screen 
>is near the
>full gamut possible, while what is printed on the paper is a lot more 
>limited than that!
>
>While reading the patches you see the comparison of what the paper actually 
>is recording
>for a patch, compared to the full gamut possible for that patch.
>
>This difference is what the profiling program reconciliates, to give you 
>the best possible
>results on the paper being profiled.
>
>On good quality inkjet papers, I find in reproducing paintings, I find I 
>have to "throttle"
>back the saturation of the file to make it match the original art. The 
>beauty of PFP is that
>you can customize your profile to match your desired result by using the 
>sliders!
>
>John Nollendorfs
>
>
>