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Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-18 by carlspost2@...

I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
Carl


Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.

Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?

Regards,
PianoBench
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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
> Carl
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Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-18 by carl schmidt

Hi Pianobench,
Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle  C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl 
 


     On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Good morning, everyone.
Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.
Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?
Regards,PianoBench

On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@yahoo.com.au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
Carl

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Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer [1 Attachment]

2015-04-18 by Bill Brandom

Hi Carl,

I just played the file. Help me understand:

- you played middle C twice, with damper pedal down and the E plays between the 2 Cs?

- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)

- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI files to me?

Bill

 iPhone

On Apr 18, 2015, at 6:21 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from carl schmidt included below]
Hi Pianobench,

Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle  C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl 



On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Good morning, everyone.

Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.

Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?

Regards,
PianoBench
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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
> Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer [1 Attachment]

2015-04-18 by carlspost2@...

Hi Bill,  yes it's quite strange.  In that recorded file all I did was play.  1. Middle C   2. Sustain pedal up and down  3. Middle C
Every thing else is just happened  by itself.  So if I just play the sustain pedal then notes are recorded via midi by themselves...   I thought that somehow the pedal was sending data thru the channel that should be for the notes...   I'm very new to this so have not really got the experience to work it out... Someone suggested resetting the disklavier.  Is that wise?  Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-18 by Bill Brandom

Hi again Carl,

Again,

- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)

- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI file to me?

Bill

 iPhone

On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:11 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Bill, yes it's quite strange. In that recorded file all I did was play. 1. Middle C 2. Sustain pedal up and down 3. Middle C
Every thing else is just happened by itself. So if I just play the sustain pedal then notes are recorded via midi by themselves... I thought that somehow the pedal was sending data thru the channel that should be for the notes... I'm very new to this so have not really got the experience to work it out... Someone suggested resetting the disklavier. Is that wise? Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-19 by carlspost2@...

Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..? I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl

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Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer [2 Attachments]

2015-04-19 by Bill Brandom

Carl,

I just listened to two the two files. You are located in Australia, right? We don't have these kind of problems in the U.S...:-))

This really is an odd problem. I don't know how one could even make your piano do this.

Lets take a look at your setup. I want to make sure there is no MIDI loop occurring with your setup.

-What are your MIDI connections: DKC100 MIDI OUT to DSR1 MIDI IN? DSR1 MIDI THRU to COMPUTER MIDI INTERFACE MIDI IN? Do you have any MIDI cable going into the DKC100 MIDI IN? (I need to have a clear understanding of how this all is connected.)

- Disconnect the MIDI cables connecting the DKC100 to the DSR1 and computer. If you record a song internally to the DKC100, only depressing the damper pedal, does it play back with the same problem?
- If so, try transposing playback up 1/2 step. Does the "C" problem now become a "C#" problem?

- Are you recording to the DSR1 and then playing back from the DSR1?

We must be getting closer to figuring out the problem, right?

If all else fails, move to the U.S. and I think this problem will be solved. You will have lots of new problems, but not with your Disklavier.

Bill

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On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:56 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from carlspost2@... [disklavier] included below]

Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..? I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl


Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-19 by carl schmidt

Thanks of your offer to relocate Bill. Everything is a little upside down here. Maybe I will try turning the DSR1 over and see what happens..!? ;-)
I will go through all that you have suggested. It might take me a bit so stay tuned.. and thanks again for your help!
Carl from sunny Sydney.
 


     On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 12:23, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Carl,
I just listened to two the two files. You are located in Australia, right? We don't have these kind of problems in the U.S...:-))
This really is an odd problem. I don't know how one could even make your piano do this.
Lets take a look at your setup. I want to make sure there is no MIDI loop occurring with your setup. 
-What are your MIDI connections: DKC100 MIDI OUT to DSR1 MIDI IN? DSR1 MIDI THRU to COMPUTER MIDI INTERFACE MIDI IN? Do you have any MIDI cable going into the DKC100 MIDI IN? (I need to have a clear understanding of how this all is connected.)
- Disconnect the MIDI cables connecting the DKC100 to the DSR1 and computer. If you record a song internally to the DKC100, only depressing the damper pedal, does it play back with the same problem? - If so, try transposing playback up 1/2 step. Does the "C" problem now become a "C#" problem?
- Are you recording to the DSR1 and then playing back from the DSR1?
We must be getting closer to figuring out the problem, right? 
If all else fails, move to the U.S. and I think this problem will be solved. You will have lots of new problems, but not with your Disklavier.
Bill

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:56 PM, carlspost2@....au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     [Attachment(s) from carlspost2@... [disklavier] included below] Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one  second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..?  I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-19 by Bill Brandom

Glad to help Carl. I just hope I can.

Bill

 iPhone

On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:42 PM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thanks of your offer to relocate Bill. Everything is a little upside down here. Maybe I will try turning the DSR1 over and see what happens..!? ;-)

I will go through all that you have suggested. It might take me a bit so stay tuned.. and thanks again for your help!

Carl from sunny Sydney.



On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 12:23, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Carl,

I just listened to two the two files. You are located in Australia, right? We don't have these kind of problems in the U.S...:-))

This really is an odd problem. I don't know how one could even make your piano do this.

Lets take a look at your setup. I want to make sure there is no MIDI loop occurring with your setup. 

-What are your MIDI connections: DKC100 MIDI OUT to DSR1 MIDI IN? DSR1 MIDI THRU to COMPUTER MIDI INTERFACE MIDI IN? Do you have any MIDI cable going into the DKC100 MIDI IN? (I need to have a clear understanding of how this all is connected.)

- Disconnect the MIDI cables connecting the DKC100 to the DSR1 and computer. If you record a song internally to the DKC100, only depressing the damper pedal, does it play back with the same problem? 
- If so, try transposing playback up 1/2 step. Does the "C" problem now become a "C#" problem?

- Are you recording to the DSR1 and then playing back from the DSR1?

We must be getting closer to figuring out the problem, right? 

If all else fails, move to the U.S. and I think this problem will be solved. You will have lots of new problems, but not with your Disklavier.

Bill


On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:56 PM, carlspost2@yahoo.com.au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from carlspost2@... [disklavier] included below]
Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one  second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..?  I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer [2 Attachments]

2015-04-19 by Spencer Chase

i do not have a DKV to look at so here are some random things to check. who knows???
is the sustain pedal solenoid or heavy iron trapwork near the E5 key physically or the circuit that reads the hammer sensors? is it possible there is something strange about the hammer sensor for that note or maybe the trapwork some how got adjusted so it is effecting the hammer sensor or the electronics connected to it? could something in the damper tray or stuck on it like a dropped mute or ??? i have no idea how close the damper tray damper wires etc are to the key sensor or if it is possible for something to be moved by the damper mechanism that could be effecting the hammer sensor. be getting into the optical sensor path for the E5 note?

the hammer sensors should be pretty immune to ambient light but is there a bright light shining on the piano that might be reflected into the hammer sensor when the dampers are actuated? does the problem occur if you have all lights off. i once had a strange problem of an optical counter not working properly when the device it was on was used in bright sunlight.
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On 4/18/2015 6:56 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] wrote:

Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..? I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl


-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-19 by carl schmidt

Thanks anyway, I  will check out what you have suggested. However, I dont think it is a light problem as it happens even when the lid is closed.  As far as the other ideas... they sound pretty technical so I may end up getting someone in to check it. Cheers.
 


     On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 15:02, "Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

      i do not have a DKV to look at so here are some random things to check. who knows???
  is the sustain pedal solenoid or heavy iron trapwork near the E5 key physically or the circuit that reads the hammer sensors? is it possible there is something strange about the hammer sensor for that note or maybe the trapwork some how got adjusted so it is effecting the hammer sensor or the electronics connected to it? could something in the damper tray or stuck on it like a dropped mute or ???  i have no idea how close the damper tray damper wires etc are to the key sensor or if it is possible for something to be moved by the damper mechanism that could be effecting the hammer sensor. be getting into the optical sensor path for the E5 note?
 
 the hammer sensors should be pretty immune to ambient light but is there a bright light shining on the piano that might be reflected into the hammer sensor when the dampers are actuated? does the problem occur if you have all lights off. i once had a strange problem of an optical counter not working properly when the device it was on was used in bright sunlight.
 
 
 
 On 4/18/2015 6:56 PM, carlspost2@yahoo.com.au [disklavier] wrote:
  
    Hi Bill,
 
 Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one  second apart...
 
 Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.
 
 Maybe my set up will give you a clue..?  I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Carl  
 
 -- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
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Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-21 by carl schmidt

Hi again Bill,
Sorry to bother you again about my pesky pedal recording problem. I thought I would give just one last thing a go before I conceded defeat. I think you alluded to it in you previous email. You suggested that there might be something physically interfering with the action and recording solenoids. I did take a look with a torch etc but didnt see anything.
I haven't yet gone as far as sliding out the action to take a closer look.  My question is .. does the DKV action slide out just like a normal action - apart from the two electric cables that need disconnecting?  Is there anything else that can be easily damaged.? If its pretty straight forward I will have a look -but if it requires specialist handling I will get in the pros...
Cheers, Carl


   

  On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 15:18, "carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@...m> wrote:
   

     Thanks anyway, I  will check out what you have suggested. However, I dont think it is a light problem as it happens even when the lid is closed.  As far as the other ideas... they sound pretty technical so I may end up getting someone in to check it. Cheers.
 


     On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 15:02, "Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

      i do not have a DKV to look at so here are some random things to check. who knows???
  is the sustain pedal solenoid or heavy iron trapwork near the E5 key physically or the circuit that reads the hammer sensors? is it possible there is something strange about the hammer sensor for that note or maybe the trapwork some how got adjusted so it is effecting the hammer sensor or the electronics connected to it? could something in the damper tray or stuck on it like a dropped mute or ???  i have no idea how close the damper tray damper wires etc are to the key sensor or if it is possible for something to be moved by the damper mechanism that could be effecting the hammer sensor. be getting into the optical sensor path for the E5 note?
 
 the hammer sensors should be pretty immune to ambient light but is there a bright light shining on the piano that might be reflected into the hammer sensor when the dampers are actuated? does the problem occur if you have all lights off. i once had a strange problem of an optical counter not working properly when the device it was on was used in bright sunlight.
 
 
 
 On 4/18/2015 6:56 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] wrote:
  
    Hi Bill,
 
 Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one  second apart...
 
 Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.
 
 Maybe my set up will give you a clue..?  I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Carl  
 
 -- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-21 by carl schmidt

Hi again Bill,
Sorry to bother you again about my pesky pedal recording problem. I thought I would give just one last thing a go before I conceded defeat. I think you alluded to it in you previous email. You suggested that there might be something physically interfering with the action and recording solenoids. I did take a look with a torch etc but didnt see anything.
I haven't yet gone as far as sliding out the action to take a closer look.  My question is .. does the DKV action slide out just like a normal action - apart from the two electric cables that need disconnecting?  Is there anything else that can be easily damaged.? If its pretty straight forward I will have a look -but if it requires specialist handling I will get in the pros...
Cheers, Carl 


     On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:53, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Hi Carl,
I just played the file. Help me understand:
- you played middle C twice, with damper pedal down and the E plays between the 2 Cs?
- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)
- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI files to me?

Bill
 iPhone
On Apr 18, 2015, at 6:21 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Hi Pianobench,
Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle  C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl 
 


     On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Good morning, everyone.
Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.
Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?
Regards,PianoBench

On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-21 by Spencer Chase

i am not Bill, but i suggested some strange interference. when you play from a recording the solenoid actuate but when you are recording, i believe they are not doing anything. it as the hammer sensors (or their associated circuitry) i was thinking might be receiving some noise from the mechanical action. this is based on general principles not on an understanding of the DKV itself because i do not know the particulars such as exactly where the circuitry is and how it works.

electrical interference is a real long shot. i have a CNC milling machine that is doing something similar and is prob ably caused by unshielded signal cables of too close proximity of power and signal cables. it happens only occasionally so it is impossible to diagnose.

another possibility and this is a long shot too especially since the two pedal reliably produce the same results. is there a connector on a cable between a circuit board and the piano action? i don't know if the hammer sensors are connected to an interface board on the piano action ( my first guess) or if there is a cable with wires for each one to the main control circuitry (not a good design and not likely but possible) whatever cable type it might be, it is possible that the movement of the dampers and the key frame shifting might be jiggling this connector. turn off the power before removing or moving any stuff around. look for connectors that might be in a position where they are jiggled by action or damper movement. carefully unplug and re-plug any connectors. do not force anything, there maybe lock tabs on the connectors. figure out how they work and release them before pulling on the connectors too hard. also, if there are similar connectors that might get confused in re-assembly, either take them off one at a time or label them so they will go back in the right positions. when you take off any connectors, it is a good idea to apply a good quality contact lube to them. it can't hurt and it may fix the problem better than just unplugging and replugging. get a cleaner lube such as the one made my MG chemicals thta you can get on Amazon or whoever sells stuff on line where you are. if the cleaner/lube is based on polyphenyl ether it is the best type.

i have been building and repairing electronic devices for about 45 years and have found that electrical contacts are the most common cause of trouble.

as far as i know, removing the piano action is no different from a conventional piano other than some wires connecting the hammer sensors to the rest of the system.
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On 4/21/2015 4:55 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] wrote:



Hi again Bill,

Sorry to bother you again about my pesky pedal recording problem. I thought I would give just one last thing a go before I conceded defeat. I think you alluded to it in you previous email. You suggested that there might be something physically interfering with the action and recording solenoids. I did take a look with a torch etc but didnt see anything.

I haven't yet gone as far as sliding out the action to take a closer look. My question is .. does the DKV action slide out just like a normal action - apart from the two electric cables that need disconnecting? Is there anything else that can be easily damaged.? If its pretty straight forward I will have a look -but if it requires specialist handling I will get in the pros...

Cheers, Carl




On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 15:18, "carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier]" wrote:


Thanks anyway, I will check out what you have suggested. However, I dont think it is a light problem as it happens even when the lid is closed. As far as the other ideas... they sound pretty technical so I may end up getting someone in to check it. Cheers.



On Sunday, 19 April 2015, 15:02, "Spencer Chase lists@... [disklavier]" wrote:


i do not have a DKV to look at so here are some random things to check. who knows???
is the sustain pedal solenoid or heavy iron trapwork near the E5 key physically or the circuit that reads the hammer sensors? is it possible there is something strange about the hammer sensor for that note or maybe the trapwork some how got adjusted so it is effecting the hammer sensor or the electronics connected to it? could something in the damper tray or stuck on it like a dropped mute or ??? i have no idea how close the damper tray damper wires etc are to the key sensor or if it is possible for something to be moved by the damper mechanism that could be effecting the hammer sensor. be getting into the optical sensor path for the E5 note?

the hammer sensors should be pretty immune to ambient light but is there a bright light shining on the piano that might be reflected into the hammer sensor when the dampers are actuated? does the problem occur if you have all lights off. i once had a strange problem of an optical counter not working properly when the device it was on was used in bright sunlight.



On 4/18/2015 6:56 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] wrote:
Hi Bill,

Here are two midi files. The first is me playing nothing but sustain pedal three times. The second file I put the sustain pedal down and then play E fours times about one second apart...

Its quite the conundrum... I have been looking for other causes but have come up with nothing.

Maybe my set up will give you a clue..? I have both a DSR1 and a DKC100R connected . The cable goes from the piano into the DKC100R and then from there to the DSR1 via midi cable then from there to my laptop. Could one be interfering with the other?

Cheers,

Carl

-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309





-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-21 by Bill Brandom

Hi Carl,

Removing a Disklavier grand action from the piano is exactly the same as acoustic, other than the cable(s) being disconnected before removing it. Be sure to turn your piano off before disconnecting the cables.

I do not believe you will find anything in the action that will be the cause of the problem. I believe the problem is going to be something in the circuitry, but I cannot tell you really where to start. Spencer's suggestions would be a good way to continue your investigation.

Carl, do you have the service manual for your piano?

Bill
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:57 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <;disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi again Bill,

Sorry to bother you again about my pesky pedal recording problem. I thought I would give just one last thing a go before I conceded defeat. I think you alluded to it in you previous email. You suggested that there might be something physically interfering with the action and recording solenoids. I did take a look with a torch etc but didnt see anything.

I haven't yet gone as far as sliding out the action to take a closer look. My question is .. does the DKV action slide out just like a normal action - apart from the two electric cables that need disconnecting? Is there anything else that can be easily damaged.? If its pretty straight forward I will have a look -but if it requires specialist handling I will get in the pros...

Cheers, Carl



On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:53, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <;disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Carl,

I just played the file. Help me understand:

- you played middle C twice, with damper pedal down and the E plays between the 2 Cs?

- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)

- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI files to me?

Bill

iPhone

On Apr 18, 2015, at 6:21 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@....au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Pianobench,

Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl



On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@aol.com [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Good morning, everyone.

Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.

Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?

Regards,
PianoBench

On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
Carl








Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by carl schmidt

Hi Bill,
PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart. 

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl


    

  On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:53, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Hi Carl,
I just played the file. Help me understand:
- you played middle C twice, with damper pedal down and the E plays between the 2 Cs?
- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)
- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI files to me?

Bill
 iPhone
On Apr 18, 2015, at 6:21 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Hi Pianobench,
Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle  C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl 
 


     On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Good morning, everyone.
Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.
Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?
Regards,PianoBench

On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by carlspost2@...

Hi Spencer,

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by George Frederick Litterst

Amazing!

PianoBench
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> On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:37 AM, carlspost2@....au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Spencer,
> 
> 
> PROBLEM SOLVED!!
> 
> Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart. 
> 
> All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!
> 
> Regards,
> Carl
> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Bill Brandom

Carl,

Congratulations! I didn't even consider your MIDI interface being the problem!

I will add this to my list of troubleshooting possibilities!

Bill

 iPhone

On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:31 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Bill,

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart. 

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl


 


On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:53, "Bill Brandom bill.brandom03@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Hi Carl,

I just played the file. Help me understand:

- you played middle C twice, with damper pedal down and the E plays between the 2 Cs?

- if you just push the pedal down, without playing a C, will the E play (without you touching any key?)

- what happens when you push the pedal down and only play the E four times, each a couple of seconds apart? Can you send the MIDI files to me?

Bill

 iPhone

On Apr 18, 2015, at 6:21 AM, carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Hi Pianobench,

Yes thats corrects. It seems to generate a sputtering of the notes when I play the sustain pedal. So its generates a series of unwanted notes in the recorded file. I have attached a small example midi file in which I played- middle C / sustain pedal / middle  C again. If you can play it you will hear what I mean... Cheers, Carl 



On Saturday, 18 April 2015, 23:11, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Good morning, everyone.

Carl, I don’t understand what you are saying.

Are you saying that when you push the sustain pedal, you generate a note-on message for E above middle C?

Regards,
PianoBench
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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:20 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I have connected my Disklavier DSR1 to a PC and sequencer software but when ever I record the sustain pedal keeps producing the note  (-E just above middle C) on the recorded output . I have gone through all the possible set up issues but have not been able to resolve it. I know it must have something to do with midi channels etc... Does anyone please have a simple solution..?? Cheers,
> Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Alan Dorschug

What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?
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-----Original Message-----
From: carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer


    
   
    
     
Hi Spencer,
    
     
    
    
     
      PROBLEM SOLVED!!      
      
      Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.       
      
      All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!      
      
      Regards,      
      Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Spencer Chase

i should have mentioned this but thought you were recording on the DKV itself. i have many customers who buy my MIDI files and i often have to diagnose their systems. one of the first things i ask is what USB-MIDI interface they are using if they are playing from a computer. if they have anything other than M-Ausdo or Roland i tell them to call me back after they get one of these. i have seen the most amazing and intermittent problem with the Chinese crap. for some reason they just can't make decent drivers for these things. i buy plenty of cheap Chinese crap and some of it is very good.

On 4/23/2015 6:15 AM, Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier] wrote:

What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?


-----Original Message-----
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From: carlspost2@... [disklavier]
To: disklavier
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

Hi Spencer,

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl 


-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by carl schmidt

The old USB-Midi cable was an el cheapo off ebay. It cost under 10 dollars and didnt even have a brand name. the new replacement cable is a Roland UM-ONE MK2.
It cost 59 dollars but money well spent!
Carl  


     On Thursday, 23 April 2015, 23:15, "Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?
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-----Original Message-----
From: carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

      Hi Spencer,  
    PROBLEM SOLVED!! 
 
 Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.  
 
 All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason! 
 
 Regards, 
 Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Spencer Chase

i have wasted countless hours trying to diagnose impossible problems caused by the cheapies. i now refuse to offer support if anyone has one of these. i have had many Rolands and M-Audio over the years and never had a problem with any of them.

On 4/23/2015 12:58 PM, carl schmidt carlspost2@....au [disklavier] wrote:
The old USB-Midi cable was an el cheapo off ebay. It cost under 10 dollars and didnt even have a brand name. the new replacement cable is a Roland UM-ONE MK2.

It cost 59 dollars but money well spent!

Carl



On Thursday, 23 April 2015, 23:15, "Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier]" wrote:


What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?


-----Original Message-----
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From: carlspost2@....au [disklavier]
To: disklavier
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

Hi Spencer,

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl 




-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Alan Dorschug

I have been using the Yamaha UX16 cable for years and have not had any issues.


I have seen them priced from $25 - $75 on Ebay.
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-----Original Message-----
From: carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer


    
   
    
     
    
     
      The old USB-Midi cable was an el cheapo off ebay. It cost under 10 dollars and didnt even have a brand name. the new replacement cable is a Roland UM-ONE MK2.     
     
      
     
     
      It cost 59 dollars but money well spent!     
     
      
     
     
      Carl     
      
            
     
     
      
      
     
     
       
        
         
           On Thursday, 23 April 2015, 23:15, "Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
          
         
        
         
         
          
                         
             
              
               
               What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?
 
 
               
              
               
-----Original Message-----                
 From: carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>                
 To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>                
 Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am                
 Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer                
                 
                 
                  
                                       
                    
                     
                      
Hi Spencer,                     
                      
                       
                      
                      
                       
                        PROBLEM SOLVED!!                        
                        
                        Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.                         
                        
                        All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!                        
                        
                        Regards,                        
                        Carl

Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

2015-04-23 by Spencer Chase

i'm sure that one is good too. never had anyone contact me about problems who mentioned a yamaha adapter but that is probably a given :)

On 4/23/2015 2:10 PM, Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier] wrote:

I have been using the Yamaha UX16 cable for years and have not had any issues.


I have seen them priced from $25 - $75 on Ebay.


-----Original Message-----
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From: carl schmidt carlspost2@... [disklavier]
To: disklavier
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

The old USB-Midi cable was an el cheapo off ebay. It cost under 10 dollars and didnt even have a brand name. the new replacement cable is a Roland UM-ONE MK2.

It cost 59 dollars but money well spent!

Carl



On Thursday, 23 April 2015, 23:15, "Alan Dorschug ISKI1@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


What brand was the old cable and what brand was the replacement?
-----Original Message-----
From: carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2015 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Sustain Pedal producing note sounds in sequencer

Hi Spencer,

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks for the help with this but I fixed the problem very easily without the need for complicated adjusting of settings or pulling the piano apart.

All I did was simply replace the USB-Midi cable with a better quality one and the problem was instantly resolved! Goes to show that cheap is cheap for a reason!

Regards,
Carl 




-- 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(425) 791-0309

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