Disklavier

I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message at 
this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described, 
however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and 
playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.  

I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a 
midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I 
took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil 
Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that 
probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.  

Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file 
showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and 
when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything 
other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the 
piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file that 
plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.

Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something 
easy?  Thanks for any help!

It's hard to say what is going on without seeing the file.
Could you send it to the group so we can look at it.
Both, if you still have the original.

Midi Magic

--- In disklavier@y..., "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> wrote:
> I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message 
at 
> this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described, 
> however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and 
> playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.  
> 
> I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a 
> midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I 
> took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil 
> Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that 
> probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.  
> 
> Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file 
> showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and 
> when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything 
> other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the 
> piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file 
that 

> plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> 
> Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something 
> easy?  Thanks for any help!

This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes (tracks vs
channels).

In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a particular
instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin and track 5
contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't change
anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is really important,
especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel assignment.  You have
to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  You also have
to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" event that
assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".

You might also come across midi files with the left and right hands split
into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and the other to
channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that contains only the
pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your Disklavier can then
be set to play only one of the hands.

A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the channel
indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi file contains
several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.

Jack








"fakepopster" <raydene@...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM

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 Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi      
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I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message at
this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and
playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.

I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a
midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I
took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.

Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and
when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything
other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the
piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file that
plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.

Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
easy?  Thanks for any help!



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Thanks for both replies.  

I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I should 
have said channel instead of track.  

The original files are here:

 http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm

I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am attaching the 
midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you attach a 
file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)

I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the files 
the same way as I described before and had success reassigning 
channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.  
However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.  

Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which is 
which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've worked with 
so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand you, 
this would mean they are SMF 1.

Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  How can 
if I have it and what can I do about it?     


--- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> 
> This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes (tracks vs
> channels).
> 
> In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a 
particular
> instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin and 
track 5
> contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't change
> anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is really 
important,
> especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel assignment.  
You have
> to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  You 
also have
> to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" event 
that
> assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
> 
> You might also come across midi files with the left and right hands 
split
> into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and the 
other to
> channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that contains 
only the
> pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your Disklavier 
can then
> be set to play only one of the hands.
> 
> A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the channel
> indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi file 
contains
> several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
> 
> Please respond to disklavier@y...
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>  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi      
>            file\sequencing woes                               
>                                                               
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message 
at
> this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
> however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and
> playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
> 
> I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a
> midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I
> took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
> Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
> 
> Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
> showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and
> when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything
> other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the
> piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file 
that
> plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> 
> Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
> easy?  Thanks for any help!
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator,
> send it to:
> disklavier-owner@Y...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and 
contains
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other 
things, The
> url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail,
> go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  
That
> will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  
If you
> insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
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> 
> 
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Hi Ray

I have downloaded the fist two files from that site.
Both files have the piano on track 3 Channel 3
I used Music Studio 3 and rechanneled channel 3 to channel 1.

You will find the files in the "files" section of the group.
Look under Midi Magic   Temp folder for RayDene.

Have a go with them and let us know if they work.

Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@y..., "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> wrote:
> Thanks for both replies.  
> 
> I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I 
should 
> have said channel instead of track.  
> 
> The original files are here:
> 
>  
http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm
> 
> I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am attaching 
the 
> midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you attach 
a 
> file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)
> 
> I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the 
files 
> the same way as I described before and had success reassigning 
> channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.  
> However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.  
> 
> Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which is 
> which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've worked 
with 
> so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand you, 
> this would mean they are SMF 1.
> 
> Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  How 
can 
> if I have it and what can I do about it?     
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> > 
> > This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes (tracks 
vs
> > channels).
> > 
> > In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a 
> particular
> > instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin and 
> track 5
> > contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't 
change
> > anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is really 
> important,
> > especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel assignment.  
> You have
> > to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  You 
> also have
> > to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" event 
> that
> > assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
> > 
> > You might also come across midi files with the left and right 
hands 
> split
> > into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and the 
> other to
> > channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that contains 
> only the
> > pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your Disklavier 
> can then
> > be set to play only one of the hands.
> > 
> > A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the channel
> > indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi 
file 
> contains
> > several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
> > 
> > Please respond to disklavier@y...
> 
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> 
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>         
> > 
> > 
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> >  To:       disklavier@y...                         
> >                                                               
> >  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)                        
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> >                                                               
> >                                                               
> >  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi      
> >            file\sequencing woes                               
> >                                                               
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived 
message 
> at
> > this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
> > however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and
> > playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
> > 
> > I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a
> > midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I
> > took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
> > Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> > probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
> > 
> > Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
> > showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and
> > when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything
> > other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the
> > piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file 
> that
> > plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> > 
> > Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
> > easy?  Thanks for any help!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
> moderator,
> > send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and 
> contains
> > some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other 
> things, The
> > url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
> much mail,
> > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  
> That
> > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
group.  

> If you
> > insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Your files worked terrific!  I wonder what you did that I didn't do.  
Perhaps it's the tool I'm using? ..or just my inexperience.  I used 
Anvil Studio to rechannel the piano to channel 1 and had the problems 
I already mentioned (one note plays and stays on).  There appear to 
be two other tracks not assigned a channel and just being used for a 
description or something.  Perhaps you could take a look at the file 
and see what you can figure out.  I put it out there in the folder 
you created for me.  

Also, I thought my MX100A reads both channel 1 & 2.  I edited a file 
to play bass (as left hand piano) on channel 1 and left the piano (as 
right hand piano) on channel 2.  It only played the left hand.  Do I 
have to tell the piano to read both channels somehow?  

Thanks for all the help!  I LOVE the internet and would never have 
bought this piano without the wealth of knowledge I was able to 
aquire from archives and help like I'm getting from you guys now.  
Looking forward to being able to return the favor to someone some 
day.  

--- In disklavier@y..., "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@h...> wrote:
> Hi Ray
> 
> I have downloaded the fist two files from that site.
> Both files have the piano on track 3 Channel 3
> I used Music Studio 3 and rechanneled channel 3 to channel 1.
> 
> You will find the files in the "files" section of the group.
> Look under Midi Magic   Temp folder for RayDene.
> 
> Have a go with them and let us know if they work.
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> wrote:
> > Thanks for both replies.  
> > 
> > I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I 
> should 
> > have said channel instead of track.  
> > 
> > The original files are here:
> > 
> >  
> 
http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm
> > 
> > I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am attaching 
> the 
> > midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you 
attach 
> a 
> > file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)
> > 
> > I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the 
> files 
> > the same way as I described before and had success reassigning 
> > channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.  
> > However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.  
> > 
> > Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which 
is 
> > which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've worked 
> with 
> > so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand 
you, 
> > this would mean they are SMF 1.
> > 
> > Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  How 
> can 
> > if I have it and what can I do about it?     
> > 
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> > > 
> > > This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes 
(tracks 
> vs
> > > channels).
> > > 
> > > In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a 
> > particular
> > > instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin 
and 
> > track 5
> > > contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't 
> change
> > > anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is 
really 
> > important,
> > > especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel 
assignment.  
> > You have
> > > to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  
You 
> > also have
> > > to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" 
event 
> > that
> > > assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
> > > 
> > > You might also come across midi files with the left and right 
> hands 
> > split
> > > into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and 
the 
> > other to
> > > channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that 
contains 
> > only the
> > > pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your 
Disklavier 
> > can then
> > > be set to play only one of the hands.
> > > 
> > > A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the 
channel
> > > indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi 
> file 
> > contains
> > > several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
> > > 
> > > Jack
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
> > > 
> > > Please respond to disklavier@y...
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> >         
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> >         
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> >         
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                                                               
> > >                                                               
> > >                                                               
> > >  To:       disklavier@y...                         
> > >                                                               
> > >  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)                        
> > >                                                               
> > >                                                               
> > >                                                               
> > >  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi      
> > >            file\sequencing woes                               
> > >                                                               
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived 
> message 
> > at
> > > this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
> > > however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading 
and
> > > playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
> > > 
> > > I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and 
converting a
> > > midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first 
time I
> > > took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
> > > Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> > > probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
> > > 
> > > Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
> > > showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file 
and
> > > when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain 
anything
> > > other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except 
the
> > > piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the 
file 
> > that
> > > plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
> > > easy?  Thanks for any help!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > > 
> > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and 
> > moderator,
> > > send it to:
> > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > > 
> > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > 
> > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 
and 
> > contains
> > > some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other 
> > things, The
> > > url is:
> > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > 
> > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
> > much mail,
> > > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
> instead.  
> > That
> > > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
> group.  
> > If you
> > > insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > > 
> > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
to:

> > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Well, I see you found the site with pirated copies of PG Music's Jazz
Pianist series (a title which PG Music no longer sell).  I purchased this
title a long time ago (1995?).

Here's what the original looks like when converted to text using Gunter
Nagler's MIDI utilities  The first three tracks don't contain notes. The
fourth track, the piano, is assigned to channel 3.  Sorry for the length of
this post, but it might help to see the MIDI file textually.  I cut out a
lot of uninteresting stuff.

******************************
// jp006.mid
mthd
  version 1 // several tracks with seperated channels to play all at once
  // 4 tracks
  unit 480 // is 1/4
end mthd

mtrk
  key "1b maj"
  smpteofs 3 00:00:00:0:0
  metaevent 127  $00 $00 $00 $6A $00 $01 $31 $84 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
$00 $00
     $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $14 $27 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $4D $1D
     $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $31 $06 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
     $00 $00 $4C $03 $00 $00 $40 $27 $00 $00 $40 $1D $00 $00 $31 $06
.
. (text cut)
.
  beats 155.00031
  tact 4 / 4 24 8

end mtrk

mtrk
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Bass"

end mtrk

mtrk
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Drums"

end mtrk

mtrk($3)
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Piano"
  16;+c3 $5B;
  9;+b2 $51;
  41;-b2 $00;
  462;+g#4 $4E;
  13;+e4 $31;
  99;-g#4 $00;
  40;-e4 $00;
  182;+e4 $43;
  8;+g#4 $4A;
  96;-e4 $00;
  29;+f4 $51;
.
. (text cut)
.
end mtrk

******************************
Here's my modified version that I play on my Disklavier.  I have changed
the channel assignment for the fourth track to 1.  I also added a trackname
to the first track so that EEXPLORE will have a nice title for the ESEQ
version of the MIDI file.

// XJP006.MID
mthd
  version 1 // several tracks with seperated channels to play all at once
  // 4 tracks
  unit 480 // is 1/4
end mthd

mtrk
  trackname "Alexander's Rag Time Band: Berlin,I."
  key "1b maj"
  smpteofs 3 00:00:00:0:0
  metaevent 127  $00 $00 $00 $6A $00 $01 $31 $84 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
$00 $00
     $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $14 $27 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $4D $1D
     $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $31 $06 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
     $00 $00 $4C $03 $00 $00 $40 $27 $00 $00 $40 $1D $00 $00 $31 $06
.
. (text cut)
.
  beats 155.00031
  tact 4 / 4 24 8

end mtrk

mtrk
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Bass"

end mtrk

mtrk
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Drums"

end mtrk

mtrk($1)
  prefixport 0
  trackname "Piano"
  program Piano
  16;+c3 $5B;
  9;+b2 $51;
  41;-b2 $00;
  462;+g#4 $4E;
  13;+e4 $31;
  99;-g#4 $00;
  40;-e4 $00;
  182;+e4 $43;
  8;+g#4 $4A;
  96;-e4 $00;
  29;+f4 $51;
.
. (text cut)
.
end mtrk
******************************
Hope this helps.

Jack








"fakepopster" <raydene@...> on 01/23/2002 05:25:49 PM

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 Subject:  [disklavier] Re: MX100A won't play converted midi  
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Thanks for both replies.

I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I should
have said channel instead of track.

The original files are here:

 http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm

I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am attaching the
midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you attach a
file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)

I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the files
the same way as I described before and had success reassigning
channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.
However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.

Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which is
which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've worked with
so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand you,
this would mean they are SMF 1.

Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  How can
if I have it and what can I do about it?


--- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
>
> This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes (tracks vs
> channels).
>
> In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a
particular
> instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin and
track 5
> contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't change
> anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is really
important,
> especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel assignment.
You have
> to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  You
also have
> to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" event
that
> assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
>
> You might also come across midi files with the left and right hands
split
> into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and the
other to
> channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that contains
only the
> pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your Disklavier
can then
> be set to play only one of the hands.
>
> A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the channel
> indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi file
contains
> several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
>
> Please respond to disklavier@y...
>

>

>

>
>
>
>
>
>  To:       disklavier@y...
>
>  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)
>
>
>
>  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi
>            file\sequencing woes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message
at
> this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
> however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and
> playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
>
> I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a
> midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I
> took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
> Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
>
> Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
> showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and
> when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything
> other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the
> piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file
that
> plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
>
> Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
> easy?  Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
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Hi 

I have looked at your converted file.

The very first note is on channel 1 which is why it plays.
But the rest are still on channel 3

Does your program have Midi List View?
If so have a look in there. It will frighten you at first but it's 
all very simple, realy!!! 
I am sorry but I have not used your program but they are all much the 
same these days.

Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@y..., "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> wrote:
> Your files worked terrific!  I wonder what you did that I didn't 
do.  
> Perhaps it's the tool I'm using? ..or just my inexperience.  I used 
> Anvil Studio to rechannel the piano to channel 1 and had the 
problems 
> I already mentioned (one note plays and stays on).  There appear to 
> be two other tracks not assigned a channel and just being used for 
a 
> description or something.  Perhaps you could take a look at the 
file 
> and see what you can figure out.  I put it out there in the folder 
> you created for me.  
> 
> Also, I thought my MX100A reads both channel 1 & 2.  I edited a 
file 
> to play bass (as left hand piano) on channel 1 and left the piano 
(as 
> right hand piano) on channel 2.  It only played the left hand.  Do 
I 
> have to tell the piano to read both channels somehow?  
> 
> Thanks for all the help!  I LOVE the internet and would never have 
> bought this piano without the wealth of knowledge I was able to 
> aquire from archives and help like I'm getting from you guys now.  
> Looking forward to being able to return the favor to someone some 
> day.  
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@h...> wrote:
> > Hi Ray
> > 
> > I have downloaded the fist two files from that site.
> > Both files have the piano on track 3 Channel 3
> > I used Music Studio 3 and rechanneled channel 3 to channel 1.
> > 
> > You will find the files in the "files" section of the group.
> > Look under Midi Magic   Temp folder for RayDene.
> > 
> > Have a go with them and let us know if they work.
> > 
> > Midi Magic
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@y..., "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for both replies.  
> > > 
> > > I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I 
> > should 
> > > have said channel instead of track.  
> > > 
> > > The original files are here:
> > > 
> > >  
> > 
> 
http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm
> > > 
> > > I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am 
attaching 
> > the 
> > > midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you 
> attach 
> > a 
> > > file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)
> > > 
> > > I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the 
> > files 
> > > the same way as I described before and had success reassigning 
> > > channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.  
> > > However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.  
> > > 
> > > Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which 
> is 
> > > which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've 
worked 
> > with 
> > > so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand 
> you, 
> > > this would mean they are SMF 1.
> > > 
> > > Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  
How 
> > can 
> > > if I have it and what can I do about it?     
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes 
> (tracks 
> > vs
> > > > channels).
> > > > 
> > > > In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a 
> > > particular
> > > > instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin 
> and 
> > > track 5
> > > > contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't 
> > change
> > > > anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is 
> really 
> > > important,
> > > > especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel 
> assignment.  
> > > You have
> > > > to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  
> You 
> > > also have
> > > > to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" 
> event 
> > > that
> > > > assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
> > > > 
> > > > You might also come across midi files with the left and right 
> > hands 
> > > split
> > > > into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and 
> the 
> > > other to
> > > > channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that 
> contains 
> > > only the
> > > > pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your 
> Disklavier 
> > > can then
> > > > be set to play only one of the hands.
> > > > 
> > > > A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the 
> channel
> > > > indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi 
> > file 
> > > contains
> > > > several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
> > > > 
> > > > Jack
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
> > > > 
> > > > Please respond to disklavier@y...
> > > 
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> > >         
> > > 
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> > >         
> > > 
> > 
> 
>                                                                     
> > >         
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                                                               
> > > >                                                               
> > > >                                                               
> > > >  To:       disklavier@y...                         
> > > >                                                               
> > > >  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)                        
> > > >                                                               
> > > >                                                               
> > > >                                                               
> > > >  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi      
> > > >            file\sequencing woes                               
> > > >                                                               
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived 
> > message 
> > > at
> > > > this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as 
described,
> > > > however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be 
reading 
> and
> > > > playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
> > > > 
> > > > I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and 
> converting a
> > > > midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first 
> time I
> > > > took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  
Anvil
> > > > Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> > > > probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
> > > > 
> > > > Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The 
file
> > > > showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY 
file 
> and
> > > > when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain 
> anything
> > > > other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except 
> the
> > > > piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the 
> file 
> > > that
> > > > plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss 
something
> > > > easy?  Thanks for any help!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > > > 
> > > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
> and 
> > > moderator,
> > > > send it to:
> > > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > > > 
> > > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > > 
> > > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 
> and 
> > > contains
> > > > some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among 
other 
> > > things, The
> > > > url is:
> > > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > > 
> > > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
too 

> > > much mail,
> > > > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
> > instead.  
> > > That
> > > > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
> > group.  
> > > If you
> > > > insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > > > 
> > > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
> to:
> > > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I thought they were a better then the norm' that would explain why.

Midi Magic

--- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> 
> Well, I see you found the site with pirated copies of PG Music's 
Jazz
> Pianist series (a title which PG Music no longer sell).  I 
purchased this
> title a long time ago (1995?).
> 
> Here's what the original looks like when converted to text using 
Gunter
> Nagler's MIDI utilities  The first three tracks don't contain 
notes. The
> fourth track, the piano, is assigned to channel 3.  Sorry for the 
length of
> this post, but it might help to see the MIDI file textually.  I cut 
out a
> lot of uninteresting stuff.
> 
> ******************************
> // jp006.mid
> mthd
>   version 1 // several tracks with seperated channels to play all 
at once
>   // 4 tracks
>   unit 480 // is 1/4
> end mthd
> 
> mtrk
>   key "1b maj"
>   smpteofs 3 00:00:00:0:0
>   metaevent 127  $00 $00 $00 $6A $00 $01 $31 $84 $00 $00 $00 $00 
$00 $00
> $00 $00
>      $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $14 $27 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $4D $1D
>      $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $31 $06 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
>      $00 $00 $4C $03 $00 $00 $40 $27 $00 $00 $40 $1D $00 $00 $31 $06
> .
> . (text cut)
> .
>   beats 155.00031
>   tact 4 / 4 24 8
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Bass"
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Drums"
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk($3)
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Piano"
>   16;+c3 $5B;
>   9;+b2 $51;
>   41;-b2 $00;
>   462;+g#4 $4E;
>   13;+e4 $31;
>   99;-g#4 $00;
>   40;-e4 $00;
>   182;+e4 $43;
>   8;+g#4 $4A;
>   96;-e4 $00;
>   29;+f4 $51;
> .
> . (text cut)
> .
> end mtrk
> 
> ******************************
> Here's my modified version that I play on my Disklavier.  I have 
changed
> the channel assignment for the fourth track to 1.  I also added a 
trackname
> to the first track so that EEXPLORE will have a nice title for the 
ESEQ
> version of the MIDI file.
> 
> // XJP006.MID
> mthd
>   version 1 // several tracks with seperated channels to play all 
at once
>   // 4 tracks
>   unit 480 // is 1/4
> end mthd
> 
> mtrk
>   trackname "Alexander's Rag Time Band: Berlin,I."
>   key "1b maj"
>   smpteofs 3 00:00:00:0:0
>   metaevent 127  $00 $00 $00 $6A $00 $01 $31 $84 $00 $00 $00 $00 
$00 $00
> $00 $00
>      $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $14 $27 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $4D $1D
>      $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $31 $06 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00 $00
>      $00 $00 $4C $03 $00 $00 $40 $27 $00 $00 $40 $1D $00 $00 $31 $06
> .
> . (text cut)
> .
>   beats 155.00031
>   tact 4 / 4 24 8
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Bass"
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Drums"
> 
> end mtrk
> 
> mtrk($1)
>   prefixport 0
>   trackname "Piano"
>   program Piano
>   16;+c3 $5B;
>   9;+b2 $51;
>   41;-b2 $00;
>   462;+g#4 $4E;
>   13;+e4 $31;
>   99;-g#4 $00;
>   40;-e4 $00;
>   182;+e4 $43;
>   8;+g#4 $4A;
>   96;-e4 $00;
>   29;+f4 $51;
> .
> . (text cut)
> .
> end mtrk
> ******************************
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/23/2002 05:25:49 PM
> 
> Please respond to disklavier@y...
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> 
> 
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>                                                               
>  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)                        
>                                                               
>                                                               
>                                                               
>  Subject:  [disklavier] Re: MX100A won't play converted midi  
>            file\sequencing woes                               
>                                                               
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for both replies.
> 
> I do understand that the channel needs to be set to 1 or 2.  I 
should
> have said channel instead of track.
> 
> The original files are here:
> 
>  
http://www.landscape.it/vmagazine/panorami/midibox/jazzcollection.htm
> 
> I tried the first two songs with the same result.  I am attaching 
the
> midi versions of the files with my edits.  (Oh...how do you attach a
> file in this posting?  I couldn't even figure that out.)
> 
> I have since tried other files from other sites.  I edited the files
> the same way as I described before and had success reassigning
> channels and editing out other intruments.  They played fine.
> However, I still can't get the aforementioned songs to play.
> 
> Perhaps it's midi 1 vs. midi 0.  I don't know how to tell which is
> which by looking at the file, although ALL the files I've worked 
with
> so far have multi channels and multi tracks.  If I understand you,
> this would mean they are SMF 1.
> 
> Also, tell me more about the "programmed event" on a track.  How can
> if I have it and what can I do about it?
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., Jack.Schueler@s... wrote:
> >
> > This may simply be your use of terminology but here goes (tracks 
vs
> > channels).
> >
> > In type 1 SMF files, tracks are used to manage notes for a
> particular
> > instrument.  You can have track 1 contain notes for a violin and
> track 5
> > contain notes for a piano.  Switching the tracks around won't 
change
> > anything as far as your Disklavier is concerned.  What is really
> important,
> > especially for the older Disklaviers, is the channel assignment.
> You have
> > to make sure that the piano track is assigned to channel 1.  You
> also have
> > to make sure that your piano track doesn't have a "program" event
> that
> > assigns the channel to an instrument other than "piano".
> >
> > You might also come across midi files with the left and right 
hands
> split
> > into separate tracks with one track assigned to channel 1 and the
> other to
> > channel 2. I have also sometimes seen a third track that contains
> only the
> > pedal information.  The neat thing about this is your Disklavier
> can then
> > be set to play only one of the hands.
> >
> > A SMF type 0 midi file contains only 1 track with all the channel
> > indicators embedded into the single track.  A SMF type 1 midi file
> contains
> > several tracks with each track assigned to a channel.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "fakepopster" <raydene@n...> on 01/22/2002 05:01:32 PM
> >
> > Please respond to disklavier@y...
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  To:       disklavier@y...
> >
> >  cc:       (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)
> >
> >
> >
> >  Subject:  [disklavier] MX100A won't play converted midi
> >            file\sequencing woes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I followed the Dkvutils instructions listed in an archived message
> at
> > this site to the letter.  Everything went exactly as described,
> > however, when I attempted to play it, it appears to be reading and
> > playing it but the piano does not move except for one note.
> >
> > I am using the correctly formatted older DD disks and converting a
> > midi file to an e-seq file.  After I converted it the first time I
> > took a look at the midi file through sequencing software.  Anvil
> > Studio is the software.  The piano was on track eight so that
> > probably explains why I hear nothing on that file.
> >
> > Then I edited the midi file to have piano on track 1.  The file
> > showed bass and drums on other tracks but is a piano ONLY file and
> > when played on my PC, those tracks didn't seem to contain anything
> > other than an instrument name.  I deleted those tracks except the
> > piano on track 1 and converted the file again.  This is the file
> that
> > plays one note and appears to keep reading but no sound.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced anything like this?  Did I miss something
> > easy?  Thanks for any help!
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator,
> send it to:
> disklavier-owner@Y...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and 
contains
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other 
things, The
> url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail,
> go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  
That
> will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  
If you
> insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
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