Disklavier

Carol,

I have donwloaded this Vivaldi file from the net and it initially didn't
want to play on the disklavier.
I had to alter the version and reload it with GNmidi, now it works fine.
however, I am curious to know as why this version attached it not playable
on the disklavier, as a matter of fact it does'nt appeared on the window of
the mark III.  I have tried different things and now I am able to get to
play.
If you have the chance to look at it and tell me why I am always willing to
learn something new.  I know it is probably something very easy.  But i am
puzzled by it.

Thanks.
Much appreciated.

Jimmy
Montreal canada

Jimmy,
The file has a RIFF header in front of the MIDI header.  If you 
delete the first 20 bytes in a hex editor (so that the file now 
begins with MThd), and save it, it plays perfectly.

That's a programmer's technical answer to the question.  What's the 
best answer using common everyday tools you'd find around your 
computer or piano?

- John Q. Walker

Can anyone tell me if this file (which plays fine on my Mac) cannot be
played on the Disklavier?

Thanks
gary

On 6/1/03 7:33 pm, "Jimmy" <JimmyM@...> wrote:

> Carol,
> 
> I have donwloaded this Vivaldi file from the net and it initially didn't
> want to play on the disklavier.
> I had to alter the version and reload it with GNmidi, now it works fine.
> however, I am curious to know as why this version attached it not playable
> on the disklavier, as a matter of fact it does'nt appeared on the window of
> the mark III.  I have tried different things and now I am able to get to
> play.
> If you have the chance to look at it and tell me why I am always willing to
> learn something new.  I know it is probably something very easy.  But i am
> puzzled by it.
> 
> Thanks.
> Much appreciated.
> 
> Jimmy
> Montreal canada
> 
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The first bytes of a valid MIDI file are always 4D 54 68 64 (the ASCII 
equivalent of "MThd").  Your file is something other than an SMF. Its 
first four bytes are 00 00 00 08.

Gary Connoley wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if this file (which plays fine on my Mac) cannot be
> played on the Disklavier?
> 
> Thanks
> gary
> 
> On 6/1/03 7:33 pm, "Jimmy" <JimmyM@...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Carol,
>>
>>I have donwloaded this Vivaldi file from the net and it initially didn't
>>want to play on the disklavier.
>>I had to alter the version and reload it with GNmidi, now it works fine.
>>however, I am curious to know as why this version attached it not playable
>>on the disklavier, as a matter of fact it does'nt appeared on the window of
>>the mark III.  I have tried different things and now I am able to get to
>>play.
>>If you have the chance to look at it and tell me why I am always willing to
>>learn something new.  I know it is probably something very easy.  But i am
>>puzzled by it.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Much appreciated.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>Montreal canada
>>
>>To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
>>
>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator,
>>send it to:
>>disklavier-owner@...
>>
>>To reach our group's web site go to:
>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>>
>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently
>>updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi
>>sites among other things, The url is:
>>http://MuncyFamily.com
>>
>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go
>>the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix
>>the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on
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>>
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

What little I could read of the Evergreen midi in Quick View Plus said it 
was an Apple Music Media file.  Not even gnmidi could read it.

Somehow, my reply to Jimmy concerning his Vivaldi midi file got lost 
somewhere in cyberspace.  My reply to him was what a marvelous program the 
gnmidi is; how much it has changed the past year, and that the first aid 
icon function is worth the price alone.

A data file like the Vivaldi just reinforces that data is not perfect, and 
can get corrupted - even on the PianoSoft disks.

To those who could read the files, and find their flaws, how did you do 
that?

Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...

>From: Gary Connoley <gary.connoley@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] This SMF file won,t play
>Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:04:20 +0000
>
>Can anyone tell me if this file (which plays fine on my Mac) cannot be
>played on the Disklavier?
>
>Thanks
>gary
>


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Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
> To those who could read the files, and find their flaws, how did you do
> that?


For looking at the raw contents of any file, UltraEdit-32 is a great
HEX/text editor program.  It's also a handy tool if you do any
programming, as it knows the syntax of many programming languages and
can "color code" keywords and parameters for you, while the file itself
stays plain text.  It can batch search/replace/compare text strings in
multiple files.  It can also directly edit files on a remote FTP server
(provided you have access rights of course).  This is not that much
music related, but truly a powerful tool to be recommended to those
interested.

CCW

As Bob noted, file Evergreen.mid is not a real MIDI file (despite the 
file extension).

I opened it in a hex editor, and saw the term "Apple Music Media 
Handler" near the bottom.  I dropped that term into Google, which got 
me to QuickTime.  Guess what -- it played just fine in the free 
version of QuickTime 5 I have on Windows XP.

My free version has no "SaveAs" function.  I suspect that in  
QuickTime Pro you could open it as is, and save it as a real MIDI 
file.  It'll take an Apple (or QuickTime Pro) user to confirm that 
conversion works.

- John Q. Walker

Hi all - the "save as" in QuickTime 5 Pro Player didn't fix the file
when I tested it, but "export" as standard MIDI file worked.  Now the
file is playable in Windows Media Player, and I think will play in
Disklavier as well.  Fixed file is attached.

CCW
 

"jqw2 " wrote:

> 
> As Bob noted, file Evergreen.mid is not a real MIDI file (despite the
> file extension).
> 
> I opened it in a hex editor, and saw the term "Apple Music Media
> Handler" near the bottom.  I dropped that term into Google, which got
> me to QuickTime.  Guess what -- it played just fine in the free
> version of QuickTime 5 I have on Windows XP.
> 
> My free version has no "SaveAs" function.  I suspect that in
> QuickTime Pro you could open it as is, and save it as a real MIDI
> file.  It'll take an Apple (or QuickTime Pro) user to confirm that
> conversion works.
> 
> - John Q. Walker
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Thanks to Chine-Chine for getting it into SMF 0 format.  Evergreen2 
would not play from a 720K DOS diskette on my Mark II, the reason being 
that the note-ons (and on/off sustain pedal) were directed to channel 3. 
  (It may possibly play on Mark III's.)

By changing the channel from 3 to 1, it does play on a Mark II.

This has been fun!

Bob

Chine-Chine Wang wrote:
> Hi all - the "save as" in QuickTime 5 Pro Player didn't fix the file
> when I tested it, but "export" as standard MIDI file worked.  Now the
> file is playable in Windows Media Player, and I think will play in
> Disklavier as well.  Fixed file is attached.
> 
> CCW
>  
> 
> "jqw2 " wrote:
> 
>>As Bob noted, file Evergreen.mid is not a real MIDI file (despite the
>>file extension).
>>
>>I opened it in a hex editor, and saw the term "Apple Music Media
>>Handler" near the bottom.  I dropped that term into Google, which got
>>me to QuickTime.  Guess what -- it played just fine in the free
>>version of QuickTime 5 I have on Windows XP.
>>
>>My free version has no "SaveAs" function.  I suspect that in
>>QuickTime Pro you could open it as is, and save it as a real MIDI
>>file.  It'll take an Apple (or QuickTime Pro) user to confirm that
>>conversion works.
>>
>>- John Q. Walker
>>
>>To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
>>
>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
>>disklavier-owner@...
>>
>>To reach our group's web site go to:
>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>>
>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
>>http://MuncyFamily.com
>>
>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
>>disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>>
>>Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
>>disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 


-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

When I open this file in WMP and with the sound all
the way up I can barely hear the music.  Same thing
happens when I run with Real Player.  What gives? (I
am such a novice with kind of thing!)
Rich


> Chine-Chine Wang wrote:
> > Hi all - the "save as" in QuickTime 5 Pro Player
> didn't fix the file
> > when I tested it, but "export" as standard MIDI
> file worked.  Now the
> > file is playable in Windows Media Player, and I
> think will play in
> > Disklavier as well.  Fixed file is attached.
> 

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Yes, this is both fun and informative.  Thank you!  Since there are lots of 
midi files out there on the internet using the Quick Time Player, does this 
mean they will ALL do this?

Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...


>From: Chine-Chine Wang <chine@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: This SMF file won,t play
>Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:52:04 -0500
>
>
>Hi all - the "save as" in QuickTime 5 Pro Player didn't fix the file
>when I tested it, but "export" as standard MIDI file worked.  Now the
>file is playable in Windows Media Player, and I think will play in
>Disklavier as well.  Fixed file is attached.
>
>CCW
>
>
>"jqw2 " wrote:
> >
> > As Bob noted, file Evergreen.mid is not a real MIDI file (despite the
> > file extension).
> >
> > I opened it in a hex editor, and saw the term "Apple Music Media
> > Handler" near the bottom.  I dropped that term into Google, which got
> > me to QuickTime.  Guess what -- it played just fine in the free
> > version of QuickTime 5 I have on Windows XP.
> >
> > My free version has no "SaveAs" function.  I suspect that in
> > QuickTime Pro you could open it as is, and save it as a real MIDI
> > file.  It'll take an Apple (or QuickTime Pro) user to confirm that
> > conversion works.
> >
> > - John Q. Walker
> >
>

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Ah... I did take a look at Everygreen2.mid in Cakewalk to make sure it
was a real MIDI file, but forgot about the channel issue.  In fact, I
had configured my Disklavier (a Mark II XG) to play any and all channels
with a piano group instrument on the Disklavier itself, so I don't have
to verify (and possibly modify) the channels on all the MIDI files I
download from the net.

This works out very well (for example, "Everygreen2" played happily on
my Disklavier with the piano data on channel 3) but the drawback is that
I may be listening to some "non-piano" piano group instruments such as
harpsichord played on the piano.

CCW


Robert Welcyng wrote:

> 
> Thanks to Chine-Chine for getting it into SMF 0 format.  Evergreen2
> would not play from a 720K DOS diskette on my Mark II, the reason being
> that the note-ons (and on/off sustain pedal) were directed to channel 3.
>   (It may possibly play on Mark III's.)
> 
> By changing the channel from 3 to 1, it does play on a Mark II.
> 
> This has been fun!
> 
> Bob
> 
> Chine-Chine Wang wrote:
> > Hi all - the "save as" in QuickTime 5 Pro Player didn't fix the file
> > when I tested it, but "export" as standard MIDI file worked.  Now the
> > file is playable in Windows Media Player, and I think will play in
> > Disklavier as well.  Fixed file is attached.
> >
> > CCW
> >
> >
> > "jqw2 " wrote:
> >
> >>As Bob noted, file Evergreen.mid is not a real MIDI file (despite the
> >>file extension).
> >>
> >>I opened it in a hex editor, and saw the term "Apple Music Media
> >>Handler" near the bottom.  I dropped that term into Google, which got
> >>me to QuickTime.  Guess what -- it played just fine in the free
> >>version of QuickTime 5 I have on Windows XP.
> >>
> >>My free version has no "SaveAs" function.  I suspect that in
> >>QuickTime Pro you could open it as is, and save it as a real MIDI
> >>file.  It'll take an Apple (or QuickTime Pro) user to confirm that
> >>conversion works.
> >>
> >>- John Q. Walker
> >>
> >>To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> >>
> >>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> >>disklavier-owner@...
> >>
> >>To reach our group's web site go to:
> >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >>
> >>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> >>http://MuncyFamily.com
> >>
> >>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> >>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> >>disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> >>
> >>Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> >>disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> >>
> >>
> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@...
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> >
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> 
> --
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and most recently updated 12/30/02.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
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> 
> 
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> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                           Name: Evergreen3 Ch 1.mid
>    Evergreen3 Ch 1.mid    Type: MIDI file (audio/mid)
>                       Encoding: base64