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sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-12 by Carol Beigel

After several years of making baffles for Disklavier
grand pianos, I would like to describe the system that
I think works best.  It is very simple, and can be
inexpensive.  Because sound emanates from both the top
and bottom of the soundboard, it is not enough to just
put foam baffles underneath the piano.  The trick is to
use one layer under the lid on top of the strings, and
TWO layers of foam underneath the soundboard.  The
sound will not be muffled and you should be able to
carry on a conversation sitting next to the piano.
However, if you want to listen to the piano play with a
greater dynamic range, simply remove the top baffle
which lies on the top of the strings.  There is never
any need to remove the bottom baffles.

Usually, upright pianos do not require baffles because
of the way the "soft" pedal works, but one sheet would
cover the outside back of the soundboard between the
beams. Use two layers.  Never put foam on the inside of
an upright piano!

First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).  It is sold
in sheets 52" by 52".  You need two sheets - one for
the top and one for the bottom of the soundboard of a
grand piano.  The thinner sheets work fine.  This foam
is made for its sound absorbing properties even though
it looks like any ordinary "egg crate" foam.

For the top "blanket", close the lid on the grand piano
and make a pattern out of brown packaging paper cut to
the size of the lid, but about 1 inch smaller on the
straight side to fit inside the rim.  This blanket is
cut in one piece and lies inside the lid when the piano
is closed.  It can be cut out either nubby side up or
down on the foam sheet since it lays on top of the
plate and doesn't contact the strings.  Just make sure
it stops before contacting the dampers. You can easily
remove this piece when you want to play your unmuffled
piano with the lid open.

For bottom baffles, make patterns of the various
compartments between the beams on the underside of the
piano.  I find it easier to use the stiff brown
wrapping paper, hold it up to the piano, and use a
piece of chalk to mark a crease where I want to make a
cut.  Place the patterns on the smooth side of the foam
and cut them slightly larger so they will stay in place
just by stuffing them against the soundboard.  Use a
long razor blade knife to cut the foam. You can use
smaller scrap pieces for the layer against the
soundboard, and your fitted pieces underneath them to
hold them in.  Leave plenty of room around the
amplifier which needs air.

None of the measurements needs to be exact as no one
ever sees the baffles.  All you really want to do is
capture as much sound as you can coming from the
piano - not stop it altogether.

I have had 100% success using this method.

Carol Beigel

Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-12 by Carpe Per Diem

> First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).

A better foam product from a company that specializes in acoustic  
treatment is

  http://auralex.com/

There's more to treating an acoustic space than putting absorption ON  
your instrument. The area around it is more important. Do you have  
glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls? High ceiling with  
right angle corners?

Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a very mediocre  
product - I have used it for a studio installation a few years ago -  
and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's nowhere near as  
good as some newer generation foam products) on your instrument will  
accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your instrument. The  
goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not overwhelm the  
room that it's in.

I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it is NOT your  
piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.

More reading:

http://www.acoustics101.com/
http://www.silentsource.com/index.html

Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-12 by Carol Beigel

I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
while their piano is playing in the same room while
they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
their pianos.  Most people who want to do this cannot
use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
baffles.  Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
affected.  I stand by my original post as an
inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
have presented to me over the years.  This is a home
remedy - not a studio solution.  As with anything, you
can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
do the job!

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carpe Per Diem" <carpeperdiem@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles


> > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).
>
> A better foam product from a company that specializes
in acoustic
> treatment is
>
>   http://auralex.com/
>
> There's more to treating an acoustic space than
putting absorption ON
> your instrument. The area around it is more
important. Do you have
> glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
High ceiling with
> right angle corners?
>
> Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
very mediocre
> product - I have used it for a studio installation a
few years ago -
> and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
nowhere near as
> good as some newer generation foam products) on your
instrument will
> accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your
instrument. The
> goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
overwhelm the
> room that it's in.
>
> I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
is NOT your
> piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
>
> More reading:
>
> http://www.acoustics101.com/
> http://www.silentsource.com/index.html
>
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Re: sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-13 by peterdisklavier

Carol - 

Have you had an opportunity to install this kind of a baffle system 
on a Mark IV?

Crawling under mine, it doesn't look like it would be all that 
simple - the underside of the piano is really broken up with all the 
electronics, speakers etc.  There must be at least 20 seperate 
locations where the foam would have to be cut and fit into place.

Pete

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@c...> 
wrote:

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>
> After several years of making baffles for Disklavier
> grand pianos, I would like to describe the system that
> I think works best.  It is very simple, and can be
> inexpensive.  Because sound emanates from both the top
> and bottom of the soundboard, it is not enough to just
> put foam baffles underneath the piano.  The trick is to
> use one layer under the lid on top of the strings, and
> TWO layers of foam underneath the soundboard.  The
> sound will not be muffled and you should be able to
> carry on a conversation sitting next to the piano.
> However, if you want to listen to the piano play with a
> greater dynamic range, simply remove the top baffle
> which lies on the top of the strings.  There is never
> any need to remove the bottom baffles.
> 
> Usually, upright pianos do not require baffles because
> of the way the "soft" pedal works, but one sheet would
> cover the outside back of the soundboard between the
> beams. Use two layers.  Never put foam on the inside of
> an upright piano!
> 
> First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).  It is sold
> in sheets 52" by 52".  You need two sheets - one for
> the top and one for the bottom of the soundboard of a
> grand piano.  The thinner sheets work fine.  This foam
> is made for its sound absorbing properties even though
> it looks like any ordinary "egg crate" foam.
> 
> For the top "blanket", close the lid on the grand piano
> and make a pattern out of brown packaging paper cut to
> the size of the lid, but about 1 inch smaller on the
> straight side to fit inside the rim.  This blanket is
> cut in one piece and lies inside the lid when the piano
> is closed.  It can be cut out either nubby side up or
> down on the foam sheet since it lays on top of the
> plate and doesn't contact the strings.  Just make sure
> it stops before contacting the dampers. You can easily
> remove this piece when you want to play your unmuffled
> piano with the lid open.
> 
> For bottom baffles, make patterns of the various
> compartments between the beams on the underside of the
> piano.  I find it easier to use the stiff brown
> wrapping paper, hold it up to the piano, and use a
> piece of chalk to mark a crease where I want to make a
> cut.  Place the patterns on the smooth side of the foam
> and cut them slightly larger so they will stay in place
> just by stuffing them against the soundboard.  Use a
> long razor blade knife to cut the foam. You can use
> smaller scrap pieces for the layer against the
> soundboard, and your fitted pieces underneath them to
> hold them in.  Leave plenty of room around the
> amplifier which needs air.
> 
> None of the measurements needs to be exact as no one
> ever sees the baffles.  All you really want to do is
> capture as much sound as you can coming from the
> piano - not stop it altogether.
> 
> I have had 100% success using this method.
> 
> Carol Beigel
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-13 by Carol Beigel

I have used this system on everything but the Mark IV.
I would definitely make the piece for the top inside
the lid.  As for the underside, you should still be
able to install at least one layer between the
soundboard and the various devices.

I would also suggest that you have your Disklavier tech
check each note and make sure the ppp value is set as
low as possible.

Carol

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peterdisklavier" <peterdisklavier@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:05 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: sound absorbing baffles


> Carol -
>
> Have you had an opportunity to install this kind of a
baffle system
> on a Mark IV?
>
> Crawling under mine, it doesn't look like it would be
all that
> simple - the underside of the piano is really broken
up with all the
> electronics, speakers etc.  There must be at least 20
seperate
> locations where the foam would have to be cut and fit
into place.
>
> Pete
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel"
<thecarolb@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > After several years of making baffles for
Disklavier
> > grand pianos, I would like to describe the system
that
> > I think works best.  It is very simple, and can be
> > inexpensive.  Because sound emanates from both the
top
> > and bottom of the soundboard, it is not enough to
just
> > put foam baffles underneath the piano.  The trick
is to
> > use one layer under the lid on top of the strings,
and
> > TWO layers of foam underneath the soundboard.  The
> > sound will not be muffled and you should be able to
> > carry on a conversation sitting next to the piano.
> > However, if you want to listen to the piano play
with a
> > greater dynamic range, simply remove the top baffle
> > which lies on the top of the strings.  There is
never
> > any need to remove the bottom baffles.
> >
> > Usually, upright pianos do not require baffles
because
> > of the way the "soft" pedal works, but one sheet
would
> > cover the outside back of the soundboard between
the
> > beams. Use two layers.  Never put foam on the
inside of
> > an upright piano!
> >
> > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).  It is
sold
> > in sheets 52" by 52".  You need two sheets - one
for
> > the top and one for the bottom of the soundboard of
a
> > grand piano.  The thinner sheets work fine.  This
foam
> > is made for its sound absorbing properties even
though
> > it looks like any ordinary "egg crate" foam.
> >
> > For the top "blanket", close the lid on the grand
piano
> > and make a pattern out of brown packaging paper cut
to
> > the size of the lid, but about 1 inch smaller on
the
> > straight side to fit inside the rim.  This blanket
is
> > cut in one piece and lies inside the lid when the
piano
> > is closed.  It can be cut out either nubby side up
or
> > down on the foam sheet since it lays on top of the
> > plate and doesn't contact the strings.  Just make
sure
> > it stops before contacting the dampers. You can
easily
> > remove this piece when you want to play your
unmuffled
> > piano with the lid open.
> >
> > For bottom baffles, make patterns of the various
> > compartments between the beams on the underside of
the
> > piano.  I find it easier to use the stiff brown
> > wrapping paper, hold it up to the piano, and use a
> > piece of chalk to mark a crease where I want to
make a
> > cut.  Place the patterns on the smooth side of the
foam
> > and cut them slightly larger so they will stay in
place
> > just by stuffing them against the soundboard.  Use
a
> > long razor blade knife to cut the foam. You can use
> > smaller scrap pieces for the layer against the
> > soundboard, and your fitted pieces underneath them
to
> > hold them in.  Leave plenty of room around the
> > amplifier which needs air.
> >
> > None of the measurements needs to be exact as no
one
> > ever sees the baffles.  All you really want to do
is
> > capture as much sound as you can coming from the
> > piano - not stop it altogether.
> >
> > I have had 100% success using this method.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Todd's family web site was completely updated
012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and
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Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Mark

My biggest gripe with my MX100 XG II has been volume. I finally bought a 
blanket to hang on the wall behind it. It muffles it horribly. At least 
it matches the decor of the room.  I was going to try accoustic ceiling 
tiles that are used in t-bar ceilings but have not since I expect it to 
still sound muffled. When I take down the blanket, the piano jumps to 
life. Too bad it is sooooo loud.
Home Depot has accoustic panels in 2 x 4 (ceiling tiles in the floor and 
wall dept) and 4 x 8 (sound insulation next to the wall thermal 
insulation)  They are cheap enough for a test.

If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to 
lower velocity, I would be very interested.

Mark in Idaho

btw   My only other gripe is the lack of music selection to play. My 
preference is along the style of Lorie Line. She is a Yamaha Artist but 
has not plans to record on a Disklavier.  I don't care what any 
audiophile says. An acoustic piano will alwayssound better that the best 
audio recording.



Carol Beigel wrote:

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> I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
> while their piano is playing in the same room while
> they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
> not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
> or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
> their pianos.  Most people who want to do this cannot
> use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
> baffles.  Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
> tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
> affected.  I stand by my original post as an
> inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
> acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
> have presented to me over the years.  This is a home
> remedy - not a studio solution.  As with anything, you
> can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
> do the job!
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carpe Per Diem" <carpeperdiem@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
>
>
> > > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).
> >
> > A better foam product from a company that specializes
> in acoustic
> > treatment is
> >
> >   http://auralex.com/
> >
> > There's more to treating an acoustic space than
> putting absorption ON
> > your instrument. The area around it is more
> important. Do you have
> > glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
> High ceiling with
> > right angle corners?
> >
> > Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
> very mediocre
> > product - I have used it for a studio installation a
> few years ago -
> > and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
> nowhere near as
> > good as some newer generation foam products) on your
> instrument will
> > accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your
> instrument. The
> > goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
> overwhelm the
> > room that it's in.
> >
> > I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
> is NOT your
> > piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
> >
> > More reading:
> >
> > http://www.acoustics101.com/
> > http://www.silentsource.com/index.html
> >
> >
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> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated
> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and
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Re[2]: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Spencer_Lists

Greetings Mark,


> If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to
> lower velocity, I would be very interested.

I have a program that several Disklavier owners use to modify the
velocity in MIDI files. It will process batches of files unattended.
It only works on MIDI files so you would have to convert to MIDI if
the files are of a different type.  http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiMod/MidiMod2.zip

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Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Tim Meyer MD

I tried a blanket on top of the piano temporarily to absorb the unwanted 
volume.
The next day, my piano sounded horribly dissonant.
To my dismay, a mouse had crawled up a blanket corner near the floor, 
entered the piano's interior and  pulled damper felt from about 20 keys 
to build a nest overnight!

The blanket idea turned into a $300 mistake.

Tim  in Minneapolis

Mark wrote:

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> My biggest gripe with my MX100 XG II has been volume. I finally bought a
> blanket to hang on the wall behind it. It muffles it horribly. At least
> it matches the decor of the room.  I was going to try accoustic ceiling
> tiles that are used in t-bar ceilings but have not since I expect it to
> still sound muffled. When I take down the blanket, the piano jumps to
> life. Too bad it is sooooo loud.
> Home Depot has accoustic panels in 2 x 4 (ceiling tiles in the floor and
> wall dept) and 4 x 8 (sound insulation next to the wall thermal
> insulation)  They are cheap enough for a test.
>
> If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to
> lower velocity, I would be very interested.
>
> Mark in Idaho
>
> btw   My only other gripe is the lack of music selection to play. My
> preference is along the style of Lorie Line. She is a Yamaha Artist but
> has not plans to record on a Disklavier.  I don't care what any
> audiophile says. An acoustic piano will alwayssound better that the best
> audio recording.
>
>
>
> Carol Beigel wrote:
>
> > I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
> > while their piano is playing in the same room while
> > they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
> > not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
> > or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
> > their pianos.  Most people who want to do this cannot
> > use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
> > baffles.  Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
> > tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
> > affected.  I stand by my original post as an
> > inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
> > acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
> > have presented to me over the years.  This is a home
> > remedy - not a studio solution.  As with anything, you
> > can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
> > do the job!
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carpe Per Diem" <carpeperdiem@...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
> >
> >
> > > > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > > > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).
> > >
> > > A better foam product from a company that specializes
> > in acoustic
> > > treatment is
> > >
> > >   http://auralex.com/
> > >
> > > There's more to treating an acoustic space than
> > putting absorption ON
> > > your instrument. The area around it is more
> > important. Do you have
> > > glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
> > High ceiling with
> > > right angle corners?
> > >
> > > Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
> > very mediocre
> > > product - I have used it for a studio installation a
> > few years ago -
> > > and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
> > nowhere near as
> > > good as some newer generation foam products) on your
> > instrument will
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> > instrument. The
> > > goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
> > overwhelm the
> > > room that it's in.
> > >
> > > I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
> > is NOT your
> > > piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
> > >
> > > More reading:
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Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Tim, your story reminds me of a similar mishap that resulted in one of the world's more serene musical compositions.

On Christmas eve in 1818, it was discovered that mice apparently ate holes in the leather chests of a church pipe organ in the village of Oberndorf, Austria rendering the instrument useless. The assistant pastor, Joseph Mohr, was determined that the lack of organ music was not going to spoil his service, and he quickly composed the words to Silent Night. He then gave those words to schoolmaster and church organist, Franz Gruber, who set the words for two solo voices, chorus, and guitar. The new Christmas work was premiered that evening.

I think that we should have a special place in our hearts (but not in our Disklaviers!) for mice.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Tim Meyer MD wrote:

I tried a blanket on top of the piano temporarily to absorb the unwanted volume.
The next day, my piano sounded horribly dissonant.
To my dismay, a mouse had crawled up a blanket corner near the floor, entered the piano's interior and pulled damper felt from about 20 keys to build a nest overnight!

The blanket idea turned into a $300 mistake.

Tim in Minneapolis

Mark wrote:

My biggest gripe with my MX100 XG II has been volume. I finally bought a
blanket to hang on the wall behind it. It muffles it horribly. At least
it matches the decor of the room. I was going to try accoustic ceiling
tiles that are used in t-bar ceilings but have not since I expect it to
still sound muffled. When I take down the blanket, the piano jumps to
life. Too bad it is sooooo loud.
Home Depot has accoustic panels in 2 x 4 (ceiling tiles in the floor and
wall dept) and 4 x 8 (sound insulation next to the wall thermal
insulation) They are cheap enough for a test.

If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to
lower velocity, I would be very interested.

Mark in Idaho

btw My only other gripe is the lack of music selection to play. My
preference is along the style of Lorie Line. She is a Yamaha Artist but
has not plans to record on a Disklavier. I don't care what any
audiophile says. An acoustic piano will alwayssound better that the best
audio recording.

Carol Beigel wrote:

> I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
> while their piano is playing in the same room while
> they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
> not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
> or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
> their pianos. Most people who want to do this cannot
> use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
> baffles. Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
> tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
> affected. I stand by my original post as an
> inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
> acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
> have presented to me over the years. This is a home
> remedy - not a studio solution. As with anything, you
> can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
> do the job!
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carpe Per Diem"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
>
>
> > > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).
> >
> > A better foam product from a company that specializes
> in acoustic
> > treatment is
> >
> > http://auralex.com/
> >
> > There's more to treating an acoustic space than
> putting absorption ON
> > your instrument. The area around it is more
> important. Do you have
> > glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
> High ceiling with
> > right angle corners?
> >
> > Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
> very mediocre
> > product - I have used it for a studio installation a
> few years ago -
> > and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
> nowhere near as
> > good as some newer generation foam products) on your
> instrument will
> > accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your
> instrument. The
> > goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
> overwhelm the
> > room that it's in.
> >
> > I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
> is NOT your
> >; piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
> >
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> >
> > http://www.acoustics101.com/
> > http://www.silentsource.com/index.html
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RE: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Mark Smith

Hi Mark,

Could you not use a midi editor program such as cakewalk or similar to reduce the velocity of the keys, or were you referring to the disklavier format files?

Regards

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Meyer MD
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:50 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

I tried a blanket on top of the piano temporarily to absorb the unwanted volume.
The next day, my piano sounded horribly dissonant.
To my dismay, a mouse had crawled up a blanket corner near the floor, entered the piano's interior and pulled damper felt from about 20 keys to build a nest overnight!

The blanket idea turned into a $300 mistake.

Tim in Minneapolis

Mark wrote:

My biggest gripe with my MX100 XG II has been volume. I finally bought a
blanket to hang on the wall behind it. It muffles it horribly. At least
it matches the decor of the room. I was going to try accoustic ceiling
tiles that are used in t-bar ceilings but have not since I expect it to
still sound muffled. When I take down the blanket, the piano jumps to
life. Too bad it is sooooo loud.
Home Depot has accoustic panels in 2 x 4 (ceiling tiles in the floor and
wall dept) and 4 x 8 (sound insulation next to the wall thermal
insulation) They are cheap enough for a test.

If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to
lower velocity, I would be very interested.

Mark in Idaho

btw My only other gripe is the lack of music selection to play. My
preference is along the style of Lorie Line. She is a Yamaha Artist but
has not plans to record on a Disklavier. I don't care what any
audiophile says. An acoustic piano will alwayssound better that the best
audio recording.

Carol Beigel wrote:

> I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
> while their piano is playing in the same room while
> they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
> not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
> or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
> their pianos. Most people who want to do this cannot
> use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
> baffles. Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
>; tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
> affected. I stand by my original post as an
> inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
> acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
> have presented to me over the years. This is a home
> remedy - not a studio solution. As with anything, you
> can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
> do the job!
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carpe Per Diem"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
>
>
> > > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
> > > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com).
> >
> > A better foam product from a company that specializes
> in acoustic
> > treatment is
> >
> > http://auralex.com/
> >
> > There's more to treating an acoustic space than
> putting absorption ON
> > your instrument. The area around it is more
> important. Do you have
> > glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
> High ceiling with
> > right angle corners?
> >
> > Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
> very mediocre
> > product - I have used it for a studio installation a
> few years ago -
> > and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
> nowhere near as
> > good as some newer generation foam products) on your
> instrument will
> > accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your
> instrument. The
> > goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
> overwhelm the
> > room that it's in.
>; >
> > I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
> is NOT your
> > piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
> >
> > More reading:
> >
> > http://www.acoustics101.com/
> > http://www.silentsource.com/index.html
> >
> >
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Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Carl Youngblood

Great story!  Thanks for sharing. Carl

Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles

2005-12-15 by Mark

I am interested in lowering the volume of the Disklavier format files. I 
have expensive Pianosoft disks that are just too loud. I have an 
auditory processing deficit due to a brain injury. One of the 
manifestations is my brain over-reacts to excessive volume. The 
technical term is adrenal-cortical hyperfunction. I use the right music 
as therapy. That is why I like Lorie Line. Her presentations have a 
soothing flow to them.

Mark in Idaho

Mark Smith wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

> Hi Mark,
>
>  
>
> Could you not use a midi editor program such as cakewalk or similar to 
> reduce the velocity of the keys, or were you referring to the 
> disklavier format files?
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Mark
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> *On Behalf Of *Tim Meyer MD
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:50 PM
> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
>
>  
>
> I tried a blanket on top of the piano temporarily to absorb the 
> unwanted volume.
> The next day, my piano sounded horribly dissonant.
> To my dismay, a mouse had crawled up a blanket corner near the floor, 
> entered the piano's interior and  pulled damper felt from about 20 
> keys to build a nest overnight!
>
> The blanket idea turned into a $300 mistake.
>
> Tim  in Minneapolis
>
> Mark wrote:
>
> My biggest gripe with my MX100 XG II has been volume. I finally bought a
> blanket to hang on the wall behind it. It muffles it horribly. At least
> it matches the decor of the room.  I was going to try accoustic ceiling
> tiles that are used in t-bar ceilings but have not since I expect it to
> still sound muffled. When I take down the blanket, the piano jumps to
> life. Too bad it is sooooo loud.
> Home Depot has accoustic panels in 2 x 4 (ceiling tiles in the floor and
> wall dept) and 4 x 8 (sound insulation next to the wall thermal
> insulation)  They are cheap enough for a test.
>
> If anybody finds or comes up with a program to convert existing files to
> lower velocity, I would be very interested.
>
> Mark in Idaho
>
> btw   My only other gripe is the lack of music selection to play. My
> preference is along the style of Lorie Line. She is a Yamaha Artist but
> has not plans to record on a Disklavier.  I don't care what any
> audiophile says. An acoustic piano will alwayssound better that the best
> audio recording.
>
>
>
> Carol Beigel wrote:
>
>> I figure anyone who wants to carry on a conversation
>> while their piano is playing in the same room while
>> they eat dinner or visit with their friends is really
>> not interested in the best acoustic room arrangements
>> or the greatest dynamic range they can achieve with
>> their pianos.  Most people who want to do this cannot
>> use their Disklaviers in this way without the foam
>> baffles.  Often, they don't want to cover those fancy
>> tile or hardwood floors or have the decor of the rooms
>> affected.  I stand by my original post as an
>> inexpensive and very effective way to tone down
>> acoustic pianos for the great variety of reasons people
>> have presented to me over the years.  This is a home
>> remedy - not a studio solution.  As with anything, you
>> can always find a more expensive and complicated way to
>> do the job!
>>
>> Carol Beigel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carpe Per Diem" <carpeperdiem@...> 
> <mailto:carpeperdiem@...>
>> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] sound absorbing baffles
>>
>>
>> > > First, use the special pour acoustic foam from
>> > > Markertek in New York (www.markertek.com <http://www.markertek.com>).
>> >
>> > A better foam product from a company that specializes
>> in acoustic
>> > treatment is
>> >
>> >   http://auralex.com/
>> >
>> > There's more to treating an acoustic space than
>> putting absorption ON
>> > your instrument. The area around it is more
>> important. Do you have
>> > glass or ceramic tile in your room? Parallel walls?
>> High ceiling with
>> > right angle corners?
>> >
>> > Putting a bunch of MarkerFoam (which is actually a
>> very mediocre
>> > product - I have used it for a studio installation a
>> few years ago -
>> > and unless they've re-designed the formulation, it's
>> nowhere near as
>> > good as some newer generation foam products) on your
>> instrument will
>> > accomplish one thing- it will ruin the sound of your
>> instrument. The
>> > goal is to have your instrument sound great, but not
>> overwhelm the
>> > room that it's in.
>> >
>> > I suggest reading up on some acoustic treatment -- it
>> is NOT your
>> > piano that's the problem. It's the room that it's in.
>> >
>> > More reading:
>> >
>> > http://www.acoustics101.com/
>> > http://www.silentsource.com/index.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> disklavier@... <mailto:disklavier@...>
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>> founder and moderator, send it to:
>> > disklavier-owner@... 
> <mailto:disklavier-owner@...>
>> >
>> > To reach our group's web site go to:
>> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>> >
>> > Todd's family web site was completely updated
>> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and
>> links to midi sites among many other things, The url
>> is:
>> > http://MuncyFamily.com
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>> http://MuncyFamily.com
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