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----- Original Message -----

From: Todd Muncy

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:20 AM

Subject: [disklavier] Political Correctness Crap

Pardon the plain talk, but I have no patience for all this crap about political correctness and patriotism. Do you analyze Kellogg's human rights record each morning before eating your corn flakes? Yahoo vs. Google will be settled by who has the best product.

If you want long boring dissertations on political minutiae, I am confident that both services offer groups with many flavors of political hand wringing nonsense. That is where those discussions belong.

The good news is that by talking about pianos here and that other crap there, you won't have to contend with my opinion because I don't join those groups.

In the meantime, 100MB of storage, multiple language support, not having to supply my password every 3 hours, etc. is winning me over. The market is the only supreme court that matters and far more accurate than anything created by man (or woman to be politically correct). By that I mean, if you hate Google, don't join the parallel group, but please don't tell us why, we're all busy listening to Rhapsody in Blue.

Todd Muncy

Right on Todd.  Enough is enough.  Let's play piano
 
In a message dated 3/23/2007 12:21:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
inbox2@... writes:

 
 
 
Pardon the plain talk, but I have no  patience for all this crap about 
political correctness and  patriotism.  Do you analyze Kellogg's human rights record 
each  morning before eating your corn flakes?  Yahoo vs. Google will be  
settled by who has the best product.  
 
If you want long boring dissertations  on political minutiae, I am confident 
that both services offer groups  with many flavors of political hand wringing 
nonsense.  That is  where those discussions belong.  
 
The good news is that by talking about  pianos here and that other crap 
there, you won't have to contend with my  opinion because I don't join those 
groups.  
 
In the meantime, 100MB of storage,  multiple language support, not having to 
supply my password every 3 hours,  etc. is winning me over.  The market is the 
only supreme court that  matters and far more accurate than anything created 
by man (or woman to   be politically correct).  By that I mean, if you hate 
Google, don't join  the parallel group, but please don't tell us why, we're all 
busy listening to  Rhapsody in Blue.
 
Todd  Muncy






 



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Is there a MP3 plus MIDI format? Is there a PC (or MAC) player for such format? I love MP3 but I do not think this sapce as the place to share them... ... Is

As far as I know there is no standardized MP3+midi format, although there is an MP3+graphics for Karaoke applications. ... As far as I know there is no

I agree, but it s still better than Yahoo s 20MB.  Since Colin says he has plenty of bandwidth and space I don t think we need to post his 55 MB file on the

Thanks Todd, I agree.  Sorry for engaging in the discussion but I wanted to make sure I respected the sentiments of the group before trouncing in with my

Todd Muncy wrote:

> In the meantime, 100MB of storage, multiple language support, not
> having to supply my password every 3 hours, etc. is winning me over.


Anyone besides me feel that 100MB is an incredibly wimpy amount of
storage considering the 2+ GB of storage Google claims to offer for each
of their email accounts?

As soon as someone uploads that 55 MB ZIP of MIDI files discussed last 
week, half the space will already be consumed.

It would be nice to post some MP3s of (non-copyrighted) piano+audio
tracks as well, and at 3-4 MB a pop, that will eat up the remaining
space very quickly.

Considering that group storage is a shared resource, Google ought to be
generous with space for it.  Content important enough to post for group
consumption would seemingly be more valuable for Google to scan and
index than the day-to-day blah of people's individual emails.

I'm not complaining about the Google move, by the way, just remarking on
the low storage quota.  At the very least, it ought to scale with the
size of the group.  (OK, I'm done preaching to the choir...)

Mark Fontana

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, Carl Youngblood wrote:

> As far as I know there is no standardized MP3+midi format, although there is
> an MP3+graphics for Karaoke applications.
> 
> On 3/23/07, JORGE FERNANDEZ <jorgefedez@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Is there a MP3 plus MIDI format?
> >
> > Is there a PC (or MAC) player for such format?
> >
> > I love MP3 but I do not think this sapce as the place to share them...


I was referring to MP3 files that contain audio accompaniment on one
stereo channel and "analog MIDI" on the other channel.  Such files could
be burned to CD and played on a Disklavier just like Yamaha's PianoSoft
Plus Audio CDs.  (Or they could be streamed directly from a computer or
MP3 player to a piano equipped with "ANALOG MIDI IN" RCA jacks.)

My wife is a mezzo-soprano, and I was thinking of sharing recordings of
us performing Poulenc's "Banalites" song cycle.  Obviously, a MIDI file
cannot carry the vocal performance, so this would have to be uploaded as
a piano+audio recording in MP3 format.  Yamaha's analog MIDI format
doesn't compress very reliably to MP3, but we could use Pianomation or
PianoDisc format (both of which are supported by the Disklavier).

Based on the space and appropriateness concerns raised, I'll hold off on
distributing these recordings for now.

Mark

That s an interesting thought.  If there isn t a player already, it probably wouldn t be too hard to write one.  Do you know of any utilities that can take an

My .02 -

I've been in the internet technology industry for 10 years, and I 
believe that in the case of the Disklavier group that Google has a 
better product more suited to the needs of the group.

The only bitch I have about google groups is that there does not 
appear to be a way to create a directory structure in the files 
section to help organize files.

IE:

+files
---Jazz
---Ragtime
---Classical
---Pictures



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks Todd, I agree.  Sorry for engaging in the discussion but I 
wanted to
> make sure I respected the sentiments of the group before trouncing 
in with
> my Google idea like a bull in a china shop.  Apparently there are 
only a few
> theoretically dissenting voices and the rest are happy with the 
idea.  Let's
> move forward!
> 
> Carl
> 
> On 3/22/07, Todd Muncy <inbox2@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Pardon the plain talk, but I have no patience for all this 
crap
> > about political correctness and patriotism.  Do you analyze 
Kellogg's human
> > rights record each morning before eating your corn flakes?  
Yahoo vs. Google
> > will be settled by who has the best product.
> >
> > If you want long boring dissertations on political minutiae, I am
> > confident that both services offer groups with many flavors of 
political
> > hand wringing nonsense.  That is where those discussions belong.
> >
> > The good news is that by talking about pianos here and that 
other crap
> > there, you won't have to contend with my opinion because I don't 
join those
> > groups.
> >
> > In the meantime, 100MB of storage, multiple language support, 
not having
> > to supply my password every 3 hours, etc. is winning me over.  
The market is
> > the only supreme court that matters and far more accurate than 
anything
> > created by man (or woman to  be politically correct).  By that I 
mean, if
> > you hate Google, don't join the parallel group, but please don't 
tell us

> > why, we're all busy listening to Rhapsody in Blue.
> >
> > Todd Muncy
> >
> >  
> >
>

We can get around this directory structure issue a little bit by creating a custom page that links to files in an organized way.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...> wrote:
>
> That's an interesting thought.  If there isn't a player already, it 
probably
> wouldn't be too hard to write one.  Do you know of any utilities 
that can
> take an analog midi recording and convert it to a regular midi 
file?  If
> there is code out there already to do that, then it would be 
possible to
> extract the midi from the file before playing and send it out over 
a regular
> midi connection while synchronizing it with the audio playback.
> 
> Carl


 I too would be very interested in a program that would convert 
analog midi to regular midi.

Thanks, Joe

Another idea would be to use extra space in an mp3 s ID3 tags to store the actual midi info.  I m not sure how much room is in there, but midi is really small

I just looked at the ID3 tag specification.  A brief glance indicates that at least some players support tags that are around 1MB in size, so that would seem

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007, pianodiskman wrote:

>  I too would be very interested in a program that would convert analog
> midi to regular midi.


I thought the Yamplayer developers were working on this a while back.

What may have stopped them is the threat of having the the player piano
companies invoke the Digital Millenium Copyright Act and file a lawsuit,
in spite of the fact that none of the "analog MIDI" formats include any
kind of copy protection or access control mechanism.

Mark Fontana

It is hard work, but it can be done as a plug-in for most free players. This is an example of such kind o plug-in, this one plays CDG files (KARAOKE) together

If it is just a matter of how much FREE storage is available for a user group, I would be willing to annie up if storage can be bought. Out of 1600+ users surely a small endowement could be assembled to fund a meaningful cache.

Just a little post script: I don't know if anyone has looked at the 
file section of this group lately, but our used space is now 19% of 
100MB.