Disklavier

I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
behavior.

Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on track
1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and sounds
great on the Clavinova.

Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass line
is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is a "Draw
Organ".

Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,
but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
-Kevin

perhaps you are using XG, yamahas enhanced midi format?  afaik theres no guarantee the instruments will be the same across differing configurations. The

Hmm, that could be...When I open the file in gnmidi it says, "GM XG", so it's probably a little of both.

The interesting part is that this came from a Yamaha Clavinova to a Yamaha Disklavier...you would think they would be compatible, right?  After all, XG is Yamaha's baby, right?

I know that GM has a list of "instruments", does XG not?

Thanks.
-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:35:22 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?










  


    
            perhaps you are using XG, yamahas enhanced midi format?  afaik theres no guarantee the instruments will be the same across differing configurations.  The instruments available is dependent on the sound hardware.  I remember having sounds get messed up when i recorded midi on a roland keyboard and then tried to play it back on my comp.



On Nov 19, 2007 6:54 AM, kgoroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:














  


    
            I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange

behavior.



Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on track

1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and sounds

great on the Clavinova.



Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass line

is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is a "Draw

Organ".



Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,

but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.



Any ideas?



Thanks.

-Kevin





    
  

    
    






















    
  

    
    




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----- Original Message -----

From: Matthew Teeter

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?

perhaps you are using XG, yamahas enhanced midi format? afaik theres no guarantee the instruments will be the same across differing configurations. The instruments available is dependent on the sound hardware. I remember having sounds get messed up when i recorded midi on a roland keyboard and then tried to play it back on my comp.

Carol, Thanks for the reply.

In this case, we are getting the piano part just fine, and the keys play.  It's the MIDI accompaniment that is getting the wrong instrument.  (Actually, the drumkit on channel 10 is fine, it's just the acoustic bass on track 11 that is wrong.) It's interesting that both the Clavinova and the Disklavier have separate proprietary  formats...That's unfortunate.  In this case, we are dealing with a MIDI file, not an ESEQ file.  Is there anything that will convert a Clavinova MIDI file to a Disklavier MIDI file easily?  (And why should this even be necessary?)

Thanks again.
-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:06:03 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?










  


    
            



Disklaviers play the piano keys on whatever data is 
on Channel 1 or 2.  MIDI tracks can be on any channels.  There is a 
list of XG sounds in the appendix of your owner's manual.  
Disklaviers  have a proprietary ESEQ format, and Clavinova's also have 
their own proprietary formats.  Use a conversion program to  change a 
Yamaha proprietary format to a MIDI format.  If you create a MIDI 0 file, 
and put all the tracks on Channel 1, the piano will play.

 

Carol Beigel


  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  Matthew Teeter 
  

  To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com 

  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:35 
  AM

  Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI 
  compatibility with Clavinova?

  

perhaps you are using XG, yamahas enhanced midi format?  
  afaik theres no guarantee the instruments will be the same across differing 
  configurations.  The instruments available is dependent on the sound 
  hardware.  I remember having sounds get messed up when i recorded midi on 
  a roland keyboard and then tried to play it back on my comp. 


  On Nov 19, 2007 6:54 AM, kgoroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

  
    
    
    
    
    I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some 
    strange
behavior.

Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple 
    jazz Trio, piano on track
1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on 
    track 11. Plays and sounds
great on the Clavinova.

Spit out a MIDI 
    file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass line
is gone. Look at the 
    tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is a "Draw
Organ".

Open the 
    MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,
but has yet 
    another idea about what instrument is there.

Any 
    ideas?

Thanks.
-Kevin








 
  
  


  
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Greetings Kevin,

Welcome to the confusing world of MIDI. MIDI is a very flexible standard and can be used in many ways. It is not surprising that different instruments respond differently. In addition to the various standards and instrument sets, there are also system exclusive messages that can be impossible to understand without the manufacturer's documentation.

Conversion from one format to another may be simple or it may require a bunch of reading of manuals and lots of fiddling. If you have the documentation for your instruments you may be able to find a way to insert a patch or bank select message to select the right voices. Some instruments such as the Disklavier will play anything on channels 1 and 2 as piano as Carol said. Usually, they will respond to other channels with the appropriate instrument as long as the instrument banks of the recording and playback instrument are the same. If they are not, it may only be necessary to find similar instruments and to send messages to select those instrument for each channel on which there is a different instrument. Once you figure this out it may be worth the effort to write a program to modify the files, if you have or will have a lot of them. 

I wrote a program that sends patch and bank select messages to a MIDI device but I never figured out if it really works correctly. If you can connect a computer to your MIDI instrument and send messages from a windows program, this might be useful to figure out what is needed.  Still, it will be very helpful to have the manufacturer's manuals as there are too many combinations of bank and patch to try to find the right ones by trial and error. Let me know if you want to try the patch and bank sending program. I would like to know if it does work on anything other than the synth I tested it with. 

Monday, November 19, 2007, 5:11:08 PM, you wrote:
> Carol, Thanks for the reply.

> In this case, we are getting the piano part just fine, and the keys
> play.  It's the MIDI accompaniment that is getting the wrong
> instrument.  (Actually, the drumkit on channel 10 is fine, it's just
> the acoustic bass on track 11 that is wrong.) It's interesting that
> both the Clavinova and the Disklavier have separate proprietary
> formats...That's unfortunate.  In this case, we are dealing with a
> MIDI file, not an ESEQ file.  Is there anything that will convert a
> Clavinova MIDI file to a Disklavier MIDI file easily?  (And why should this even be necessary?)

> Thanks again.
> -Kevin

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:06:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?







> Disklaviers play the piano keys on whatever data is on Channel 1 or
> 2.  MIDI tracks can be on any channels.  There is a list of XG
> sounds in the appendix of your owner's manual.  Disklaviers  have a
> proprietary ESEQ format, and Clavinova's also have their own
> proprietary formats.  Use a conversion program to  change a Yamaha
> proprietary format to a MIDI format.  If you create a MIDI 0 file,
> and put all the tracks on Channel 1, the piano will play.
>  
> Carol Beigel
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Matthew Teeter 
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?

> perhaps you are using XG, yamahas enhanced midi format?  afaik
> theres no guarantee the instruments will be the same across
> differing configurations.  The instruments available is dependent on
> the sound hardware.  I remember having sounds get messed up when i
> recorded midi on a roland keyboard and then tried to play it back on my comp.

> On Nov 19, 2007 6:54 AM, kgoroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
> I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> behavior.

> Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on track
> 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11. Plays and sounds
> great on the Clavinova.

> Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass line
> is gone. Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is a "Draw
> Organ".

> Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,
> but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.

> Any ideas?

> Thanks.
> -Kevin










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Hi

Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra 
Collection" disk.  If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC map 
which is NOT GM nor is it XG.  If it is DOC then it has a SysEX 
command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a 
Midi map.

Midi Magic

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> behavior.
> 
> Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on 
track
> 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and 
sounds
> great on the Clavinova.
> 
> Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass 
line
> is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is 
a "Draw

> Organ".
> 
> Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,
> but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks.
> -Kevin
>

Hi

If you let me know which DOC it is I can send you the disk as Midi 
files. These have all been converted from DOC mapping to midi. Also 
they are no longer ESEQ but are now in the Midi format.

Midi Magic

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "david962548" <magic_midi@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
> Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra 
> Collection" disk.  If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC 
map 
> which is NOT GM nor is it XG.  If it is DOC then it has a SysEX 
> command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a 
> Midi map.
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@> wrote:
> >
> > I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> > behavior.
> > 
> > Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on 
> track
> > 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and 
> sounds
> > great on the Clavinova.
> > 
> > Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass 
> line
> > is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is 
> a "Draw
> > Organ".
> > 
> > Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 
11,

> > but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > -Kevin
> >
>

Good afternoon, everyone.

To explain further:

When you make a voice selection on a Clavinova, Disklavier, or other  
MIDI device, you are not really choosing "bass," "draw organ," or any  
particular sound. What you are selecting is a particular voice NUMBER  
in a particular voice set.

So, if you choose voice 22 in a voice set called DOC, you will not get  
the same sound that you will get when you choose voice 22 in a GM set  
or an XG set.

These days, if you want maximum compatibility with keyboards and tone  
generators that most people have, you should stick with the General  
MIDI (GM) voice set. If you want a broader range of voice options and  
are willing to forego compatibility with many playback devices, you  
can use XG instead. Relatively modern Clavinova CVPs and Disklaviers  
support the basic 480 voice XG set, as do many other contemporary  
Yamaha keyboards and a few from other manufacturers.

When an XG file is played back on a GM instrument that does not have  
the XG voices, most of the voice mapping will work out reasonably well.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Nov 23, 2007, at 12:22 PM, david962548 wrote:

> Hi
>
> Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra
> Collection" disk. If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC map
> which is NOT GM nor is it XG. If it is DOC then it has a SysEX
> command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a
> Midi map.
>
> Midi Magic
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@...> wrote:
> >
> > I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> > behavior.
> >
> > Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on
> track
> > 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11. Plays and
> sounds
> > great on the Clavinova.
> >
> > Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass
> line
> > is gone. Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is
> a "Draw
> > Organ".
> >
> > Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,
> > but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > -Kevin
> >
>
>
>

Is there a manual (PDF or HTML) page where we can see the 480 voices of the XG set? I mean with the progam numbers an the bank numbrer (or similar) to have 

Answering myself: http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/piano/english/dkv/DKVMK2_B_e_XY313A0_05.pdf I should have this manual at home, I think I had never got

By the way, all the DKV manuals: http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/result.php?div_code=&model=DISKLAVIER I assume the same apliies to clavinovas... ... --

Thanks for all of the replies.

Here's the exact scenario.

My uncle recently got a Clavinova CVP-309.  He plays a jazz tune with a simple drum track, and upright bass as the "accompaniment".  I don't think he has any control over which patches the CVP-309 chooses for the accompaniment, but it "seems" to be choosing XG instruments.  When he saves this as midi and emails it to me, it looses something in the translation, to put it lightly.  I'm trying to play it on my new DC3M4.

When I look at the track on the PDA the voice is listed as "-----" (it can't even tell me it's name, though it is certainly mapping it to something, since I can hear it...).

Thoughts on how we can make this "just plain work", since these are both XG compatible instruments?

Thanks again.
-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: david962548 <magic_midi@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:22:20 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?










  


    
            Hi



Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra 

Collection" disk.  If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC map 

which is NOT GM nor is it XG.  If it is DOC then it has a SysEX 

command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a 

Midi map.



Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>

> I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange

> behavior.

> 

> Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on 

track

> 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and 

sounds

> great on the Clavinova.

> 

> Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass 

line

> is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is 

a "Draw

> Organ".

> 

> Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 11,

> but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.

> 

> Any ideas?

> 

> Thanks.

> -Kevin

>





    
  

    
    




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Hi

Ah I see, slightly different scenario now.  The accompaniment on the 
309 uses extra voices (Mega, Live, Sweet, Cool)that are NOT XG or 
even GMidi.

http://www.yamaha-
europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/10_musical_instruments/50_clavinova/20_cv
p_series/10_cvp_series/10_no_series/10_CVP_309/index.html

Taken from the above web site:

"64 + 96MB Wave ROM containing 948 AWM voices (GM and XG compatible) 
inc. Mega, Live, Sweet, Cool, and organ flutes - digitally recorded 
instruments, using Yamaha's AWM technology for superior sound. Mega 
voices capture all the nuances of live guitar sounds. Live, Sweet 
and Cool voices are extra high quality samples. Also includes a 
supreme piano voice"

I would suggest you download the Data List for the 309 at this site:

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/index.php

Just type in cvp309 in the search box then download the Data List.

Then look to see which Bank & Program number the midi file uses and 
change it to the correct XG voice.

You may find these two programs useful.

http://www.svpworld.com/util_midiplayer.htm

http://www.svpworld.com/util_midiplayerII.htm


Good Luck

Midi Magic








--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the replies.
> 
> Here's the exact scenario.
> 
> My uncle recently got a Clavinova CVP-309.  He plays a jazz tune 
with a simple drum track, and upright bass as the "accompaniment".  
I don't think he has any control over which patches the CVP-309 
chooses for the accompaniment, but it "seems" to be choosing XG 
instruments.  When he saves this as midi and emails it to me, it 
looses something in the translation, to put it lightly.  I'm trying 
to play it on my new DC3M4.
> 
> When I look at the track on the PDA the voice is listed as "-----" 
(it can't even tell me it's name, though it is certainly mapping it 
to something, since I can hear it...).
> 
> Thoughts on how we can make this "just plain work", since these 
are both XG compatible instruments?
> 
> Thanks again.
> -Kevin
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: david962548 <magic_midi@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:22:20 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>     
>             Hi
> 
> 
> 
> Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra 
> 
> Collection" disk.  If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC 
map 
> 
> which is NOT GM nor is it XG.  If it is DOC then it has a SysEX 
> 
> command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a 
> 
> Midi map.
> 
> 
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@ .> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> 
> > behavior.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on 
> 
> track
> 
> > 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and 
> 
> sounds
> 
> > great on the Clavinova.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass 
> 
> line
> 
> > is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is 
> 
> a "Draw
> 
> > Organ".
> 
> > 
> 
> > Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 
11,
> 
> > but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.
> 
> > 
> 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> > 
> 
> > Thanks.
> 
> > -Kevin
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>   
> 
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> 
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I just thought I would mention this to the group, since it might be
valuable to others with a Mark IV.  Especially people how wish there
was more software to take advantage of those amazing AEM horn voices.

The latest version of MidiPlayer is available here:

http://www.svpworld.com/dnn/Software/Stylemanagerseries/tabid/85/Default.aspx

And I've been using it for a while to convert Clavinova MIDI files to
be played on my DC3M4.  But, it often was a little disappointing,
since it would only use the standard XG voices.  I dug a bit deeper
and discovered that it could be forced to learn about new instruments.
 It uses a fixed format .DAT file (that is documented by the author)
and you can replace any of the ones that it comes with that you don't
normally use.  

Since I already have full access to the database on the MarkIV, and
it's list of voices is sitting there in a table, I just dumped them
directly to a .DAT file in the correct format for MidiPlayer. 

MIDI files converted this way take advantage of all of the AEM voices
that they can map to, and they sound GREAT!

I'll be placing the file in the Files section soon (It's called
PSR-450.DAT since that's the file that I over-wrote in MidiPlayer,
rename as you see fit).

-Kevin







--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "david962548" <magic_midi@...> wrote:

>
> Hi
> 
> Ah I see, slightly different scenario now.  The accompaniment on the 
> 309 uses extra voices (Mega, Live, Sweet, Cool)that are NOT XG or 
> even GMidi.
> 
> http://www.yamaha-
> europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/10_musical_instruments/50_clavinova/20_cv
> p_series/10_cvp_series/10_no_series/10_CVP_309/index.html
> 
> Taken from the above web site:
> 
> "64 + 96MB Wave ROM containing 948 AWM voices (GM and XG compatible) 
> inc. Mega, Live, Sweet, Cool, and organ flutes - digitally recorded 
> instruments, using Yamaha's AWM technology for superior sound. Mega 
> voices capture all the nuances of live guitar sounds. Live, Sweet 
> and Cool voices are extra high quality samples. Also includes a 
> supreme piano voice"
> 
> I would suggest you download the Data List for the 309 at this site:
> 
> http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/index.php
> 
> Just type in cvp309 in the search box then download the Data List.
> 
> Then look to see which Bank & Program number the midi file uses and 
> change it to the correct XG voice.
> 
> You may find these two programs useful.
> 
> http://www.svpworld.com/util_midiplayer.htm
> 
> http://www.svpworld.com/util_midiplayerII.htm
> 
> 
> Good Luck
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for all of the replies.
> > 
> > Here's the exact scenario.
> > 
> > My uncle recently got a Clavinova CVP-309.  He plays a jazz tune 
> with a simple drum track, and upright bass as the "accompaniment".  
> I don't think he has any control over which patches the CVP-309 
> chooses for the accompaniment, but it "seems" to be choosing XG 
> instruments.  When he saves this as midi and emails it to me, it 
> looses something in the translation, to put it lightly.  I'm trying 
> to play it on my new DC3M4.
> > 
> > When I look at the track on the PDA the voice is listed as "-----" 
> (it can't even tell me it's name, though it is certainly mapping it 
> to something, since I can hear it...).
> > 
> > Thoughts on how we can make this "just plain work", since these 
> are both XG compatible instruments?
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: david962548 <magic_midi@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:22:20 PM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: MIDI compatibility with Clavinova?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> >     
> >             Hi
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Midi IS Midi. But I would think you have a "Disk Orchestra 
> > 
> > Collection" disk.  If this is so, then the Clavinova uses a DOC 
> map 
> > 
> > which is NOT GM nor is it XG.  If it is DOC then it has a SysEX 
> > 
> > command in it to tell the clavinova to use the DOC map and NOT a 
> > 
> > Midi map.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Midi Magic
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@ .> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > I always thought MIDI was MIDI, but I'm encountering some strange
> > 
> > > behavior.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Given a Yamaha clavinova, producing a simple jazz Trio, piano on 
> > 
> > track
> > 
> > > 1, drumkit on track 10, and a bass line on track 11.  Plays and 
> > 
> > sounds
> > 
> > > great on the Clavinova.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Spit out a MIDI file, and put it on the Disklavier and the bass 
> > 
> > line
> > 
> > > is gone.  Look at the tracks, and it thinks that track 11 is 
> > 
> > a "Draw
> > 
> > > Organ".
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Open the MIDI file on a PC, and it also is confused about track 
> 11,
> > 
> > > but has yet another idea about what instrument is there.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Thanks.
> > 
> > > -Kevin
> > 
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