On 12 Jul 2008, at 18:54, Josh Goldman wrote:
> (sigh) once again I suggest that a GOOD threaded discussion system
> would alleviate all these problems. you could still get it all by
> email if you want, you can read subjects you're interested in
> (properly threaded James) and you could ignore topics you didn't
> want. You could ignore people you didn't like, admins could move
> topics to the right area when someone makes an honest mistake.
> There can be software download areas, areas for discussions of
> different models or activities, cross-posting, general discussion
> areas.
>
> Email-based groups have long since disappeared from every major
> subject area for exactly these reasons. email doesn't work right
> for these types of discussions. Y
>
> There's more discussion here around protocol, name calling, policing/
> bullying, and the strings of replies than the actual subject at hand.
>
> This is why Yahoo Groups doesn't usually work for active
> communities... they almost always migrate away. check any auto-
> brand forum, A/V equipment forum, pet forums, lifestyles, travel.
> The Yahoo Groups forums die and are replaced by good vBulletin
> forums (or something similar) for just about everyone. These exact
> issues come up... people trying to enforce their conventions on
> others, people complaining about the spaminess, name calling (that
> the whole group gets exposed to)... and once the (somewhat painful)
> switchover is made, everyone likes the result much better.
>
> I do speak from some experience having helped to migrate a similar
> audio/video forum 3 years ago from Yahoo Groups over to a vBulletin
> system. (www.kscapeowners.com) All our members became MUCH happier
> afterwards, though there was the same resistance initially... and we
> DO have members who have set their setting to get ALL new posts by
> email, so for them it ends up working exactly as the Yahoo Groups
> system did.
>
> --josh
>
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Ray Reich
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 7:03 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com; 'Mark'
> Subject: [disklavier] Subject - Mark
>
> Kevin:
> Mark is no doubt a very unhappy person that gets his kicks out of
> berating others…it is sad. I am on another listserve where we had a
> similar personality and after about a year of dealing with his
> sarcasm we booted him from the list. I would suggest that Todd give
> Mark the boot.
>
> By the way, every male I have ever known that took joy in being
> nasty to others was short…I believe psychologists call it the
> Napoleon Complex. Mark, would you care to honestly share your
> height so I can test my theory???
>
> Ray Reich
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Goroway
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:08 PM
> To: Mark
> Cc: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM][disklavier] Re: Subject Mark Four
>
> Is anyone else getting these insulting emails from Mark? It's not
> the first one I've gotten.
>
> Mark, do you send this same email to every single poster on the
> group? I haven't started any threads recently...am I supposed to
> change everyone's subjects when I respond in order to satisfy you?
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark <MarkGMID@...>
> To: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:17:32 PM
> Subject: Subject Mark IV
>
> Label your subject as Mark IV.
>
> Are you a complete idiot or just a jerk?
>
> It only take 7 key strokes. If you can play a piano, I would suspect
> that you can type out Mark IV.
>
> Mark
>
>