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HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-15 by Phil Blah

Hey Guys,

If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)

I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get over the error.

I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.

So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano lol :p

Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their experience?

The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.

Cheers,

Philip

Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-15 by Tom Wheeler

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question.  I can,  
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger  
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV.  That is a ridiculously small  
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses  
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it  
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,  
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.   
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is  
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I  
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.   
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge  
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD.  Apparently  
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio  
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on  
their internal hard drives.

Tom

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On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I  
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an  
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious  
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh  
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I  
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also  
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few  
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the  
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get  
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that  
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set  
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT  
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can  
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to  
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have  
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano  
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their  
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the  
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but  
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar  
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-15 by Glenn Smutny

First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly
the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting
for. 

As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he
goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha
allows him to do. Thus the black hole.  Also I may be way off base with this
comment, but isn't it interesting that until someone else figured out how to
run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the
same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a
little push sometimes. Don't stop looking for the solution to your error
problem.  

Second, and to Tom's point, if there is a lack of known interest in being
able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as
well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue
to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop.  Plus
I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if
the systems had more space.

Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an
external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive
and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal
drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.  

Glenn  

  _____  

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can, 
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger 
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small 
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses 
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it 
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager, 
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD. 
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is 
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I 
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV. 
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge 
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently 
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio 
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on 
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I 
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an 
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious 
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh 
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I 
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also 
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few 
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the 
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get 
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that 
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set 
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT 
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can 
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to 
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have 
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano 
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their 
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the 
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but 
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar 
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-15 by Tom Wheeler

Glenn,

Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:

First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.

As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn’t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don’t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.

Second, and to Tom’s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.

Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.

Glenn ;
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also ;
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@YahooGroups.com
>
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@Yahoogroups.com
>
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much
> mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option
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RE: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-15 by Bill Brandom

Hello Tom, Glenn and others,

I am Japan at the moment and will be meeting with our Disklavier engineers  today and tomorrow. I will once again stress to them that we need to come up with an option for those that need more space for their music. I know if we can give you additional space, we can sell you additional software.

Let me try again.  Thanks for your comments!

Bill Brandom
Disklavier Marketing Manager


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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler [tnwheeler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question.  I can,
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV.  That is a ridiculously small
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD.  Apparently
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@YahooGroups.com
>
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> moderator, send it to:
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>
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>
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Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by Phil Blah

Hey Guys,

Yeup, I wanted the primary storage to be larger, external devices are clunky and seeky when used with the Disklavier.. Having the main HD larger will keep everything neat plus my 500GB HD boots much faster and quieter ;-) (except for the control-d thing at the moment lol).

So just updating everyone, as expected a fresh formatted HD does not install 'just install'.

I have a service manual and as expected they don't 'reveal' much except the obvious hold down the System Install micro switch after pressing the restart button.... but it won't load from the CD.... it only loads from the floppy disk...it displays the usual linux startup, all quite happy, then fails to mound the HD...and load the rest of the install scripts...

So I expect 1 or more of these possibilities,

a) Yamaha have a 'special' fresh install CD or FD.
b) I need to use version 2 to install then upgrade to version 3
c) have the disk formatted in linux rather than ntfs (that could be the mounting error I get, but I would of thought the boot script would cope and setup the fresh drive)
c2) if the floppy disk is looking for 'pre set' partitions then thats annoying...aahh
d) Force it to boot somehow with the CD rather than the FD that might be designed for existing installs only...
e) Mount the CD once the FD boots and force the install script to move on....

Hopfully Wonderful Bill :) (wink wink) will email us today when he is talking with the "Big Guys" to let me know what the 'correct procedure' is for a fresh install.

Otherwise I won't be giving up anytime soon...

Cheers,

Philip

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From: Tom Wheeler
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:08:46 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Glenn,

Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:

First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.

As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn’t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don’t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.

Second, and to Tom’s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.

Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.

Glenn
From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan , but, of course, that is
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> experience?
>
>; The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>;
>
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Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by Kevin Goroway

Bill,

You might also mention to them that they could solve this via software by using something other than raw .WAV for CDs...It would be much simpler than a hardware upgrade.

-Kevin

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From: Bill Brandom
To: "disklavier@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hello Tom, Glenn and others,

I am Japan at the moment and will be meeting with our Disklavier engineers today and tomorrow. I will once again stress to them that we need to come up with an option for those that need more space for their music. I know if we can give you additional space, we can sell you additional software.

Let me try again. Thanks for your comments!

Bill Brandom
Disklavier Marketing Manager

____________ _________ _________ _________ _
From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [disklavier@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler [tnwheeler@nc. rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by Phil Blah

Excellent Point Kevin,

Say a hi-res 256 MP3 you could say is virtually losless, but SO much more efficient...10 meg per song rather than 50+!

Also one really annoying thing, is I tend to buy songs l like from the Live Radio, so I add them to the "Cart" and get all excited as to my little collection that I will soon buy... but if you logout from the Live Radio and then back in later... the cart is all empty! :( one day I have 20 songs I wanted and ofcorse you never remember the exact artist or composer or version so its almost hopeless trying to serarch for them back.

Oh while I am here, sureley you can (for those without tablet) assign a .jpg for a particular song ;-) oh oh what about a DivX (ok pushing it now) MPG file with a midi synk-ed?!

Cheers,

Philip

----- Original Message ----

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From: Kevin Goroway
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:40:55 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Bill,

You might also mention to them that they could solve this via software by using something other than raw .WAV for CDs...It would be much simpler than a hardware upgrade.

-Kevin

From: Bill Brandom
To: "disklavier@ yahoogroups. com" ups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hello Tom, Glenn and others,

I am Japan at the moment and will be meeting with our Disklavier engineers today and tomorrow. I will once again stress to them that we need to come up with an option for those that need more space for their music. I know if we can give you additional space, we can sell you additional software.

Let me try again. Thanks for your comments!

Bill Brandom
Disklavier Marketing Manager

____________ _________ _________ _________ _
From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [disklavier@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler [tnwheeler@nc. rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:18 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Philip,

I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.

I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan, but, of course, that is
equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
to dollar for it!

I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
their internal hard drives.

Tom

On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
>
> I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> over the error.
>
> I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
>
> So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> lol :p
>
> Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> experience?
>
> The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@YahooGro ups.com
>
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> moderator, send it to:
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>
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>
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Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:

Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn’t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software.

Interesting and a coincidence. I can tell you that the Virtual PRC was in development for sometime before it was mentioned publicly.

Regards,

PianoBench

=

Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by Adrian Thomas

Hi,

the update CDs (any version) don't contain the full operating system, only those bits required to implement the changes for the new version. If a drive crashes (or you have a blank HDD for your Disklavier) it needs to be returned to Yamaha Service to have the full operating system re-installed. The Disks used for this are not available for general circulation, probably due the fact that some parts of the software are not open source. Depending on the inclination of Yamaha in Japan, it might be possible to provide a service in the future where a customer can buy a bigger HDD, send it to their local Yamaha Service agent and have the software installed. Not being a LINUX geek, I don't know if it would be necessary to add extra code to accomodate different drives/partitions.

Bill, if you read this, it might be something to suggest to the technical team in Japan ( or I can ask them in December )

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Yeup, I wanted the primary storage to be larger, external devices are clunky and seeky when used with the Disklavier.. Having the main HD larger will keep everything neat plus my 500GB HD boots much faster and quieter ;-) (except for the control-d thing at the moment lol).
>
> So just updating everyone, as expected a fresh formatted HD does not install 'just install'.
>
> I have a service manual and as expected they don't 'reveal' much except the obvious hold down the System Install micro switch after pressing the restart button.... but it won't load from the CD... it only loads from the floppy disk...it displays the usual linux startup, all quite happy, then fails to mound the HD...and load the rest of the install scripts....
>
> So I expect 1 or more of these possibilities,
>
> a) Yamaha have a 'special' fresh install CD or FD.
> b) I need to use version 2 to install then upgrade to version 3
> c) have the disk formatted in linux rather than ntfs (that could be the mounting error I get, but I would of thought the boot script would cope and setup the fresh drive)
> c2) if the floppy disk is looking for 'pre set' partitions then thats annoying...aahh
> d) Force it to boot somehow with the CD rather than the FD that might be designed for existing installs only...
> e) Mount the CD once the FD boots and force the install script to move on....
>
> Hopfully Wonderful Bill :) (wink wink) will email us today when he is talking with the "Big Guys" to let me know what the 'correct procedure' is for a fresh install.
>
> Otherwise I won't be giving up anytime soon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler tnwheeler@...
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:08:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive..
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:
>
> First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.
>
> As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn¢t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don¢t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.
>
> Second, and to Tom¢s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.
>
> Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.
>
> Glenn
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
> Philip,
>
> I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
> however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
> HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
> capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
> to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
> is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.
>
> I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
> several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
> Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan , but, of course, that is
>; equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
> hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
> Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
> to dollar for it!
>
> I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
> few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
> or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
> their internal hard drives.
>
> Tom
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
> >
> > I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> > decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> > excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> > extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> > install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> > have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> > tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> > different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> > exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> > over the error.
> >
> > I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> > later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> > everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> > professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
> >
> > So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> > run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
>; > edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> > to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> > lol :p
> >
> > Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> > experience?
> >
> > The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> > bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> > I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> > and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
>; >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@YahooGro ups.com
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> > moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@ Yahoogroups. com
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups. com/group/ disklavier
> >
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> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-16 by Phil Blah

Hi,

Cool well that explains why as much as I tried I could not get a fresh install working. I bet those images we have 'can' be used or are not too far off to do a full install... but it's pretty stupid these days to make people post an entire HD to some random place when a customer might want a fresh install. Also with a new version peoples boxes might get a bit 'patchy' and so version 4 might be a secret fresh install, who knows!

So anyway, for now I got around it, just clone the drive, with the software (GHOST) or (PARTITION MAGIC) then you can just stretch the last partition which is used for storage.

I can get around the little fsck error by not having the startup test, but once I have more time and I get my Linux mate over he will run the scan in single user mode and repair the little block that it thinks is screwy. (keep in mind that I have preserved EVERYTHING exactly how Yamaha have it setup).

Meanwhile, everything is working wonderfully and so now I have about 300GB to store music :-)

But I would say, for most people, it's not worth the bother as most of the good music is midi anyway :p, so even 100 meg free is thousands of songs......

I am generally disappointed with the Piano Soft with Audio anyway, I wish when you buy 'popular' songs, Yamaha re-mastered things, so the original piano does not exist except your own piano playing, ie Bette Middler, you can hear the original piano in the background and your piano plays over it....so it sounds a bit silly and relies on your piano being set loud.

Cheers,

Philip

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From: Adrian Thomas ;
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:34:38 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hi,

the update CDs (any version) don't contain the full operating system, only those bits required to implement the changes for the new version. If a drive crashes (or you have a blank HDD for your Disklavier) it needs to be returned to Yamaha Service to have the full operating system re-installed. The Disks used for this are not available for general circulation, probably due the fact that some parts of the software are not open source. Depending on the inclination of Yamaha in Japan, it might be possible to provide a service in the future where a customer can buy a bigger HDD, send it to their local Yamaha Service agent and have the software installed. Not being a LINUX geek, I don't know if it would be necessary to add extra code to accomodate different drives/partitions.

Bill, if you read this, it might be something to suggest to the technical team in Japan ( or I can ask them in December )

--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Yeup, I wanted the primary storage to be larger, external devices are clunky and seeky when used with the Disklavier.. Having the main HD larger will keep everything neat plus my 500GB HD boots much faster and quieter ;-) (except for the control-d thing at the moment lol).
>
> So just updating everyone, as expected a fresh formatted HD does not install 'just install'.
>
> I have a service manual and as expected they don't 'reveal' much except the obvious hold down the System Install micro switch after pressing the restart button.... but it won't load from the CD... it only loads from the floppy disk...it displays the usual linux startup, all quite happy, then fails to mound the HD...and load the rest of the install scripts....
>
> So I expect 1 or more of these possibilities,
>
> a) Yamaha have a 'special' fresh install CD or FD.
> b) I need to use version 2 to install then upgrade to version 3
> c) have the disk formatted in linux rather than ntfs (that could be the mounting error I get, but I would of thought the boot script would cope and setup the fresh drive)
> c2) if the floppy disk is looking for 'pre set' partitions then thats annoying...aahh
> d) Force it to boot somehow with the CD rather than the FD that might be designed for existing installs only...
> e) Mount the CD once the FD boots and force the install script to move on....
>
> Hopfully Wonderful Bill :) (wink wink) will email us today when he is talking with the "Big Guys" to let me know what the 'correct procedure' is for a fresh install.
>
> Otherwise I won't be giving up anytime soon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler tnwheeler@.. .
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:08:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
>
>; Glenn,
>
> Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive..
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:
>
> First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.
>
> As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn¢t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don¢t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.
>
> Second, and to Tom¢s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.
>
> Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.
>
> Glenn
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
> Philip,
>;
> I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
> however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
> HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
> capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
> to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
> is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.
>
> I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
> several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
> Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan , but, of course, that is
> equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
> hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
> Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
> to dollar for it!
>
> I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
> few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
> or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
> their internal hard drives.
>
> Tom
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
> >
> > I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> > decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> > excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> > extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> > install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> > have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> > tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> > different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> > exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> > over the error.
> >
> > I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> > later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> > everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> > professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
> >
> > So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> > run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> > edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> > to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> > lol :p
> >
> > Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> > experience?
> >
> > The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
> > bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> > I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> > and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-17 by Kevin Goroway

Phil,

You didn't do any of this disk cloning or expanding under Windows did you? That would be bad. Windows likes to mark the drive's boot sector...Have you placed the original drive back in the piano to make sure it isn't damaged? Anyway, I suppose that your warranty is voided now? That's the big concern I would have with doing a drive swap. We need for this to be sanctioned by Yamaha...that's why an install CD would be *really* nice.

-Kevin

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From: Phil Blah <;phil.blah@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:46:37 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hi,

Cool well that explains why as much as I tried I could not get a fresh install working. I bet those images we have 'can' be used or are not too far off to do a full install... but it's pretty stupid these days to make people post an entire HD to some random place when a customer might want a fresh install. Also with a new version peoples boxes might get a bit 'patchy' and so version 4 might be a secret fresh install, who knows!

So anyway, for now I got around it, just clone the drive, with the software (GHOST) or (PARTITION MAGIC) then you can just stretch the last partition which is used for storage.

I can get around the little fsck error by not having the startup test, but once I have more time and I get my Linux mate over he will run the scan in single user mode and repair the little block that it thinks is screwy. (keep in mind that I have preserved EVERYTHING exactly how Yamaha have it setup).

Meanwhile, everything is working wonderfully and so now I have about 300GB to store music :-)

But I would say, for most people, it's not worth the bother as most of the good music is midi anyway :p, so even 100 meg free is thousands of songs......

I am generally disappointed with the Piano Soft with Audio anyway, I wish when you buy 'popular' songs, Yamaha re-mastered things, so the original piano does not exist except your own piano playing, ie Bette Middler, you can hear the original piano in the background and your piano plays over it....so it sounds a bit silly and relies on your piano being set loud.

Cheers,

Philip

----- Original Message ----
From: Adrian Thomas <mail@transaxon. co.uk>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:34:38 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hi,

the update CDs (any version) don't contain the full operating system, only those bits required to implement the changes for the new version. If a drive crashes (or you have a blank HDD for your Disklavier) it needs to be returned to Yamaha Service to have the full operating system re-installed. The Disks used for this are not available for general circulation, probably due the fact that some parts of the software are not open source. Depending on the inclination of Yamaha in Japan, it might be possible to provide a service in the future where a customer can buy a bigger HDD, send it to their local Yamaha Service agent and have the software installed. Not being a LINUX geek, I don't know if it would be necessary to add extra code to accomodate different drives/partitions.

Bill, if you read this, it might be something to suggest to the technical team in Japan ( or I can ask them in December )

--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> Yeup, I wanted the primary storage to be larger, external devices are clunky and seeky when used with the Disklavier.. Having the main HD larger will keep everything neat plus my 500GB HD boots much faster and quieter ;-) (except for the control-d thing at the moment lol).
>
> So just updating everyone, as expected a fresh formatted HD does not install 'just install'.
>
> I have a service manual and as expected they don't 'reveal' much except the obvious hold down the System Install micro switch after pressing the restart button.... but it won't load from the CD... it only loads from the floppy disk...it displays the usual linux startup, all quite happy, then fails to mound the HD...and load the rest of the install scripts....
>
> So I expect 1 or more of these possibilities,
>
> a) Yamaha have a 'special' fresh install CD or FD.
> b) I need to use version 2 to install then upgrade to version 3
> c) have the disk formatted in linux rather than ntfs (that could be the mounting error I get, but I would of thought the boot script would cope and setup the fresh drive)
> c2) if the floppy disk is looking for 'pre set' partitions then thats annoying...aahh
> d) Force it to boot somehow with the CD rather than the FD that might be designed for existing installs only...
> e) Mount the CD once the FD boots and force the install script to move on....
>
> Hopfully Wonderful Bill :) (wink wink) will email us today when he is talking with the "Big Guys" to let me know what the 'correct procedure' is for a fresh install.
>
> Otherwise I won't be giving up anytime soon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler tnwheeler@.. .
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:08:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive..
>
>; Tom
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:
>
> First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.
>
> As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn¢t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don¢t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.
>
> Second, and to Tom¢s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.
>
> Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.
>
> Glenn
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
> Philip,
>
> I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
> however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
> HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
> capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
> to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
> is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.
>
> I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
> several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
> Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan , but, of course, that is
> equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
> hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
> Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
> to dollar for it!
>
> I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
> few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
> or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
> their internal hard drives.
>
> Tom
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
> >
> > I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> > decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> > excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> > extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> > install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> > have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> > tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> > different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> > exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> > over the error.
> >
> > I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> > later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> > everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> > professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
> >
> > So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> > run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> > edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> > to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> > lol :p
> >
> > Has anyone else bothered to upgrade their HD? What's been their
> > experience?
> >
> > The other question, does anyone know the secret to get into the
>; > bios, I need to check something out.... I tried lots of things, but
> > I imagine it would be something silly like holding down the spacebar
> > and open the cd tray or something on turn on... who knows.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@YahooGro ups.com
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
> > moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@ Yahoogroups. com
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups. com/group/ disklavier
> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-17 by Phil Blah

Kevin,

I clone drives for a living, it's cool mate ;-)

FYI: I used a trusty copy of Ghost, it boots in DOS and it handles linux, mac, anything. That's ofcorse using a byte/byte copy it does not care.

But I also tried the faster method, it understood the partitions, and there are several, some only very small.

Original drive works perfectly as expected. I kept that away from windows naughty fingers!

Yamaha just need to upload to their FTP a Floppy Disk, boot disk ISO that invokes the existing versions to install from scratch. I have a feeling that there is not much missing on the versions we have, just the actual setup scripts.

From my experience Yamaha in Australia is pretty crap with warranty or any support of any kind so I don't really care ;-)

Cheers,

Philip

----- Original Message ----

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: Kevin Goroway
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:05:54 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Phil,

You didn't do any of this disk cloning or expanding under Windows did you? That would be bad. Windows likes to mark the drive's boot sector...Have you placed the original drive back in the piano to make sure it isn't damaged? Anyway, I suppose that your warranty is voided now? That's the big concern I would have with doing a drive swap. We need for this to be sanctioned by Yamaha...that' s why an install CD would be *really* nice.

-Kevin

From: Phil Blah
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:46:37 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hi,

Cool well that explains why as much as I tried I could not get a fresh install working. I bet those images we have 'can' be used or are not too far off to do a full install... but it's pretty stupid these days to make people post an entire HD to some random place when a customer might want a fresh install. Also with a new version peoples boxes might get a bit 'patchy' and so version 4 might be a secret fresh install, who knows!

So anyway, for now I got around it, just clone the drive, with the software (GHOST) or (PARTITION MAGIC) then you can just stretch the last partition which is used for storage.

I can get around the little fsck error by not having the startup test, but once I have more time and I get my Linux mate over he will run the scan in single user mode and repair the little block that it thinks is screwy. (keep in mind that I have preserved EVERYTHING exactly how Yamaha have it setup)..

Meanwhile, everything is working wonderfully and so now I have about 300GB to store music :-)

But I would say, for most people, it's not worth the bother as most of the good music is midi anyway :p, so even 100 meg free is thousands of songs......

I am generally disappointed with the Piano Soft with Audio anyway, I wish when you buy 'popular' songs, Yamaha re-mastered things, so the original piano does not exist except your own piano playing, ie Bette Middler, you can hear the original piano in the background and your piano plays over it....so it sounds a bit silly and relies on your piano being set loud.

Cheers,

Philip

----- Original Message ----
From: Adrian Thomas
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:34:38 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

Hi,

the update CDs (any version) don't contain the full operating system, only those bits required to implement the changes for the new version. If a drive crashes (or you have a blank HDD for your Disklavier) it needs to be returned to Yamaha Service to have the full operating system re-installed. The Disks used for this are not available for general circulation, probably due the fact that some parts of the software are not open source. Depending on the inclination of Yamaha in Japan, it might be possible to provide a service in the future where a customer can buy a bigger HDD, send it to their local Yamaha Service agent and have the software installed. Not being a LINUX geek, I don't know if it would be necessary to add extra code to accomodate different drives/partitions.

Bill, if you read this, it might be something to suggest to the technical team in Japan ( or I can ask them in December )

--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>; Yeup, I wanted the primary storage to be larger, external devices are clunky and seeky when used with the Disklavier.. Having the main HD larger will keep everything neat plus my 500GB HD boots much faster and quieter ;-) (except for the control-d thing at the moment lol).
>
> So just updating everyone, as expected a fresh formatted HD does not install 'just install'.
>
> I have a service manual and as expected they don't 'reveal' much except the obvious hold down the System Install micro switch after pressing the restart button.... but it won't load from the CD... it only loads from the floppy disk...it displays the usual linux startup, all quite happy, then fails to mound the HD...and load the rest of the install scripts....
>
> So I expect 1 or more of these possibilities,
>
> a) Yamaha have a 'special' fresh install CD or FD.
> b) I need to use version 2 to install then upgrade to version 3
> c) have the disk formatted in linux rather than ntfs (that could be the mounting error I get, but I would of thought the boot script would cope and setup the fresh drive)
> c2) if the floppy disk is looking for 'pre set' partitions then thats annoying...aahh
> d) Force it to boot somehow with the CD rather than the FD that might be designed for existing installs only...
> e) Mount the CD once the FD boots and force the install script to move on....
>
> Hopfully Wonderful Bill :) (wink wink) will email us today when he is talking with the "Big Guys" to let me know what the 'correct procedure' is for a fresh install.
>
> Otherwise I won't be giving up anytime soon...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Philip
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler tnwheeler@.. .
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:08:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
>
> Glenn,
>
> Thanks for adding one more vote for a large internal HD drive for the Mark IV. The problem cannot be solved by adding an external USB drive. In fact, I did that long ago. Yamaha will not allow you to place Yamaha software of any type on anything but the internal drive. Of course, you are free to put your recordings on the external hard drive, but rarely are those audio CD recordings which are what consume a great amount of space on the internal HD. The only time that Yamaha allows you to place their software on the external USB drive is when you back up the Mark IV to the external USB drive, but there is no way to access the software on the external USB drive that is in the backup and certainly no way to play the backed up material from the USB drive..
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Glenn Smutny wrote:
>
> First of all, thank you Phillip for taking the lead in this. This is exactly the type of information that I remain a member of the group looking/waiting for.
>
> As much respect as I have for Bill Brandom and as often as we all know he goes to bat for us, I would believe that he too can only do what Yamaha allows him to do. Thus the black hole.. Also I may be way off base with this comment, but isn¢t it interesting that until someone else figured out how to run their Disklavier from a PC, did Yamaha immediately come out with the same feature on the very next upgrade to the software. Maybe we all need a little push sometimes. Don¢t stop looking for the solution to your error problem.
>
> Second, and to Tom¢s point, if there is a lack of known interest in being able to upgrade the HD storage, may I voice my request for a larger drive as well. My drive has but 5 GB left on it and my concern is that if I continue to load to capacity, I know that is when the drive will slow or stop. Plus I would think that Yamaha would ultimately be able to sell more software if the systems had more space.
>
> Third, and forgive my naivety, but could this issue be resolved with an external USB drive. Is it completely possible to add an external 500GB drive and have the Disklavier read from that just as though it were an internal drive? Or is the external drive purely for backup.
>
> Glenn
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tom Wheeler
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] HDD Upgrade MARK 4
>
> Philip,
>
> I am not an IT person so I can't really answer your question. I can,
> however, say that for over two years I have been requesting a larger
> HD than the 80 GB HD on my Mark IV. That is a ridiculously small
> capacity HD by today's standards and with the fact that Yamaha choses
> to store audio on the HD only as .wav files which are huge in size, it
> is quite easy to fill up the 80 GB internal HD as I did two years ago.
>
> I have contacted Bill Brandom, U.S. Disklavier Product Manager,
> several times and expressed an interest in purchasing a larger HD.
> Bill has passed my requests alone to Japan , but, of course, that is
> equivalent to sending the request into a black hole. At this point, I
> hold out no hope that Yamaha will offer a larger HD for the Mark IV.
> Instead, they will come out with a Mark V with a larger HD and charge
> to dollar for it!
>
> I have seen little interest on this forum for a larger HD. Apparently
> few Mark IV owners store significant amounts of Pianosoft Plus Audio
> or Yamaha Smart Piano files (midi piano accompanying CD audio) on
> their internal hard drives.
>
> Tom
>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:47 AM, Phil Blah wrote:
>
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > If you are not a tech person then please ignore this message ;-)
> >
> > I am sick of the slow and small 80gb death star in the mark4, so I
> > decided to upgrade the hard drive to a 500GB... it boots and has an
> > excellent improvement with seek time as expected plus the obvious
> > extra space to store crap. To save myself the time of a fresh
> > install etc I cloned the drive, but it errors on startup and so I
> > have to do a control-d each time to get past the fsck error.. I also
> > tried a file clone (rather than byte per byte). I also tried a few
> > different (smaller) drives and each time doing more to preserve the
> > exact original partition setup etc.... but the linux OS won't get
> > over the error.
> >
> > I imagine if I installed from scratch it would be ok, i'll do that
> > later tonight when I have time... but I don't really want to set
> > everything up again and copy my songs etc. I am an experienced IT
> > professional but, yes a windows man :p *sorry to those linux guru's*.
> >
> > So my question is firstly, anyone know the root password so I can
> > run fsck manually so it can get over the little error or know how to
> > edit the conf to skip and move on at bootup. Otherwise I will have
> > to keep on pressing control-d every time I turn on the bloody piano
> > lol :p
> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-17 by athomik

If there was a problem with a hard drive when the Mark IV first came out, even Yamaha Service in most countries had to either clone a good drive to it or replace the drive with a pre-programmed one from Yamaha in Japan (there isn't even a part number for a blank hard drive for this model).

Another point is that many customers (at least here in the UK) see their Mark IV more as an entertainment centre than a piece of technology to experiment with and are not really interested in diving into the technicalities of it. I suspect that the amount of interest in the technical aspects of this model shown on DUG is more a reflection on the number Mark IV customers in the US than an indication of the desires of Mark IV users in general, i.e. most customers are happy with the piano as it is and are content to just hit the 'Play' button and sit back. I can vouch for the fact that at least a few Disklaviers were bought by people who never played piano in their life and have no desire to start now. Mind you, it is exactly these customers who would benefit from having extra storage space for pre-recorded material (as long as someone else installs it for them)

athomik

On Oct 17 2008, Phil Blah wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Cool well that explains why as much as I tried I could not get a fresh install working. I bet those images we have 'can' be used or are not too far off to do a full install... but it's pretty stupid these days to make people post an entire HD to some random place when a customer might want a fresh install. Also with a new version peoples boxes might get a bit 'patchy' and so version 4 might be a secret fresh install, who knows!
>
>So anyway, for now I got around it, just clone the drive, with the software (GHOST) or (PARTITION MAGIC) then you can just stretch the last partition which is used for storage.
>

Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-17 by Mark Burby

I think athomik makes a good point. I recently puchased a MKIV and am 
far from a professional piano player and using it as a high end 
entertainment system - well at least until my piano skills improve! 
(As a side note, it gets about 8 hours continuous play each day and 
offering outstanding return on investment if you measure it in terms 
of hours played /$ spent)

To me, upgrading the HDD is a drastic option, even if it is 
technically feasible. Someone earlier indicated that plugging a 
storage device via say USB would not be possible for playback. At 
first glance, there seems to be no obvious reason why this should not 
be possible and is likely to be a software/firmware constraint.

As we see technology moving into an era where the HDD as we know it 
will be superceded by solid state memory devices - at least until 
network speeds increase reliably to enable remote storage elsewhere on 
a network or internet - USB-accessed storage media seems to be the 
least invasive, cheapest and most flexible option for Yamaha to 
develop.

Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-17 by Kevin Goroway

Mark,

I think you are right. USB would be a perfectly reasonable solution, so let's talk about what's wrong with the current implementation, and what Yamaha would have to deal with...

#1) Physically, where are we supposed to place this external drive? I think it could easily sit in a new mounting bracket under the piano somewhere...even velcro straps would be enough to hold it. Powering it is another issue...but that has some not-so-clean solutions, I suppose.

#2) Currently, the piano treats the USB as removable storage (which, it really is..). But what this means is that the internal database throws out all knowledge of what is on that drive every time the piano comes out of standby...and it goes off and scans it again. This is bad for a few reasons, but I think it would be pretty simple to fix. One idea that comes to mind is to just stick a unique id in a file on the drive. When the piano wakes up again, it could just see if that unique id is the same, and assume that nothing has changed in the meantime. The piano could support the concept of a "refresh" (like it does on the From/To PC share) so that if you DID remove it while the piano was in standby to add more stuff to it via some other PC, you could inform the piano that it was time to scan the disk again. (Hopefully, this would just verify against the internal database and not lose information for songs which are still there!) In a perfect world,
the piano would actually remember a few different external devices that it had seen, but this would require extensive changes to the software, as the schema in the database, and the PRC-100 software currently only knows about the one and only "USB" device...

#3) Piracy. Of course we would all want this external drive to be able to hold pianosoft songs, songs we download from the radio, etc. It would be trivial for anyone to put the piano in standby, take their external drive to their PC, and email the songs to their friends. Currently, the piano uses no encryption what-so-ever for the files that it stores on the harddrive. It would be pretty simple for yamaha to add that step for external storage. They would have to look at the protected bit that is stored in the database to know whether or not to do it, since we wouldn't want them to encrypt our own recordings...but, the information is there already, so no big deal.

I think that would do it.

-Kevin

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From: Mark Burby <mark.burby@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:53:17 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

I think athomik makes a good point. I recently puchased a MKIV and am 
far from a professional piano player and using it as a high end 
entertainment system - well at least until my piano skills improve! 
(As a side note, it gets about 8 hours continuous play each day and 
offering outstanding return on investment if you measure it in terms 
of hours played /$ spent)

To me, upgrading the HDD is a drastic option, even if it is 
technically feasible. Someone earlier indicated that plugging a 
storage device via say USB would not be possible for playback. At 
first glance, there seems to be no obvious reason why this should not 
be possible and is likely to be a software/firmware constraint.

As we see technology moving into an era where the HDD as we know it 
will be superceded by solid state memory devices - at least until 
network speeds increase reliably to enable remote storage elsewhere on 
a network or internet - USB-accessed storage media seems to be the 
least invasive, cheapest and most flexible option for Yamaha to 
develop.

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Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

2008-10-18 by Phil Blah

Hey Athomik,

Well, that's the whole point of a forum like this, it's for those who want to get involved in the tech aspects of their pianos :)

There is nothing 'special' about the HD and the software, its only and old 80gig drive with a Professional version of MonoVista Linux... the annoying thing for me and anyone else who is a computer tech, we are not asking for much really, just a way to do a fresh install of the os. Snore.

Cheers

Philip

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To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:37:39 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: HDD Upgrade MARK 4

If there was a problem with a hard drive when the Mark IV first came out, even Yamaha Service in most countries had to either clone a good drive to it or replace the drive with a pre-programmed one from Yamaha in Japan (there isn't even a part number for a blank hard drive for this model).

Another point is that many customers (at least here in the UK) see their Mark IV more as an entertainment centre than a piece of technology to experiment with and are not really interested in diving into the technicalities of it. I suspect that the amount of interest in the technical aspects of this model shown on DUG is more a reflection on the number Mark IV customers in the US than an indication of the desires of Mark IV users in general, i.e. most customers are happy with the piano as it is and are content to just hit the 'Play' button and sit back. I can vouch for the fact that at least a few Disklaviers were bought by people who never played piano in their life and have no desire to start now. Mind you, it is exactly these customers who would benefit from having extra storage space for pre-recorded material (as long as someone else installs it for them)

athomik

On Oct 17 2008, Phil Blah wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Cool well that explains why as much as I tried I could not get a fresh install working. I bet those images we have 'can' be used or are not too far off to do a full install... but it's pretty stupid these days to make people post an entire HD to some random place when a customer might want a fresh install. Also with a new version peoples boxes might get a bit 'patchy' and so version 4 might be a secret fresh install, who knows!
>
>So anyway, for now I got around it, just clone the drive, with the software (GHOST) or (PARTITION MAGIC) then you can just stretch the last partition which is used for storage.
>

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