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Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

2012-02-14 by robertm

I have a C7 with this Disklavier, the floppy disk is the original 360K single density version and is now unable to read floppies.  

I contacted my Yamaha dealer, who said that I was out of luck--but I've searched the archives on this site, where it appears that I should have the ability to replace this box with a newer box that has USB capability.  Is this correct?  I told my piano tech, who is going to a Yamaha event shortly and he plans to try to get the straight scoop here. 

Note I am not really interested in another add-on box that works through MIDI--MIDI has never worked cleanly on my piano, and the solenoid letoff is too clipped, leading to rather poor reproduction of playing.  My understanding is that this is a design issue fixed in later versions of the Disklavier, rather than being an adjustment issue (my tech has done several adjustment sequences to try to fix this without success).

Am I understanding this correctly?

Thank you, Robert Morrison

Re: [disklavier] Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

2012-02-15 by CarolRPT

A Mark II Disklavier needs a working floppy drive even if upgrading to the  DKC850.  These floppy disk drives are still available from Yamaha.  Sounds like you need a Disklavier tech and Yamaha will also recommend one.  Their number is:  800-854-1569.

Carol Beigel
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On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:25 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:

> I have a C7 with this Disklavier, the floppy disk is the original 360K single density version and is now unable to read floppies. 
> 
> I contacted my Yamaha dealer, who said that I was out of luck--but I've searched the archives on this site, where it appears that I should have the ability to replace this box with a newer box that has USB capability. Is this correct? I told my piano tech, who is going to a Yamaha event shortly and he plans to try to get the straight scoop here. 
> 
> Note I am not really interested in another add-on box that works through MIDI--MIDI has never worked cleanly on my piano, and the solenoid letoff is too clipped, leading to rather poor reproduction of playing. My understanding is that this is a design issue fixed in later versions of the Disklavier, rather than being an adjustment issue (my tech has done several adjustment sequences to try to fix this without success).
> 
> Am I understanding this correctly?
> 
> Thank you, Robert Morrison
> 
>

Re: Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

2012-02-15 by robertm

Hi Carol,
   Thank you for your reply.  However, needing a working floppy confuses me--isn't the old DKC100R removed and the DKC850 put in its place?  As I mentioned, the DKC100R has a problem with solenoid control, this is one thing I was hoping to get fixed with a new unit.  I don't want to use floppies any more if I can store files on a USB drive.

Robert Morrison

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
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>
> A Mark II Disklavier needs a working floppy drive even if upgrading to the  DKC850.  These floppy disk drives are still available from Yamaha.  Sounds like you need a Disklavier tech and Yamaha will also recommend one.  Their number is:  800-854-1569.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:25 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have a C7 with this Disklavier, the floppy disk is the original 360K single density version and is now unable to read floppies. 
> > 
> > I contacted my Yamaha dealer, who said that I was out of luck--but I've searched the archives on this site, where it appears that I should have the ability to replace this box with a newer box that has USB capability. Is this correct? I told my piano tech, who is going to a Yamaha event shortly and he plans to try to get the straight scoop here. 
> > 
> > Note I am not really interested in another add-on box that works through MIDI--MIDI has never worked cleanly on my piano, and the solenoid letoff is too clipped, leading to rather poor reproduction of playing. My understanding is that this is a design issue fixed in later versions of the Disklavier, rather than being an adjustment issue (my tech has done several adjustment sequences to try to fix this without success).
> > 
> > Am I understanding this correctly?
> > 
> > Thank you, Robert Morrison
> > 
> >
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

2012-02-15 by CarolRPT

You say you have a Mark II.  That unit MUST continue to stay on the piano and is linked to the new DKC850 box via MIDI cables.  This Ali means that you will not be able to get  Dkisklavier Internet radio.

However, if you have a Mark IIXG, then you would be able to replace the DKC100R.

To avoid using floppy disks I suggest you acquire a laptop computer using Windows XP or bettter yet, even lower.  Also acquire a MIDI interface.  Use the software utilities to install playlist software and run your Disklavier from the laptop via the MIDI interface.

The original version of the Handbook of MIDI Player tools can be found at www.carolrpt.com as well as all the software you need.

Otherwise get your floppy disc drive replaced and your Disklavier regulated by a Disklavier tech, and buy the DKC850.

Carol
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On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:29 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:

> Hi Carol,
> Thank you for your reply. However, needing a working floppy confuses me--isn't the old DKC100R removed and the DKC850 put in its place? As I mentioned, the DKC100R has a problem with solenoid control, this is one thing I was hoping to get fixed with a new unit. I don't want to use floppies any more if I can store files on a USB drive.
> 
> Robert Morrison
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
> >
> > A Mark II Disklavier needs a working floppy drive even if upgrading to the DKC850. These floppy disk drives are still available from Yamaha. Sounds like you need a Disklavier tech and Yamaha will also recommend one. Their number is: 800-854-1569.
> > 
> > Carol Beigel
> > 
> > On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:25 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > I have a C7 with this Disklavier, the floppy disk is the original 360K single density version and is now unable to read floppies. 
> > > 
> > > I contacted my Yamaha dealer, who said that I was out of luck--but I've searched the archives on this site, where it appears that I should have the ability to replace this box with a newer box that has USB capability. Is this correct? I told my piano tech, who is going to a Yamaha event shortly and he plans to try to get the straight scoop here. 
> > > 
> > > Note I am not really interested in another add-on box that works through MIDI--MIDI has never worked cleanly on my piano, and the solenoid letoff is too clipped, leading to rather poor reproduction of playing. My understanding is that this is a design issue fixed in later versions of the Disklavier, rather than being an adjustment issue (my tech has done several adjustment sequences to try to fix this without success).
> > > 
> > > Am I understanding this correctly?
> > > 
> > > Thank you, Robert Morrison
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: Original Mark II DKC100R upgrade

2012-02-15 by robertm

OK, Thank you Carol, this is very clear.  I agree, since I use several windows PC applications that drive MIDI, it makes sense for me to have the PC drive the Disklavier MIDI interface directly rather than get the DKC850.  Unfortunately that means I'm stuck with the solenoid letoff problem in the Mark II, it sounds like.  I definitely have the older Mark II, not the Mark IIXG with the integrated general MIDI.

I've learned the hard way that Yamaha pianos last a lifetime, but technology becomes a weak link due to a 3-5 year life... :-(  Fortunately, I am the primary "keyboard driver" about 99% of the time, and the piano part has been flawless. I'll get a floppy replacement.

Robert Morrison

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
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>
> You say you have a Mark II.  That unit MUST continue to stay on the piano and is linked to the new DKC850 box via MIDI cables.  This Ali means that you will not be able to get  Dkisklavier Internet radio.
> 
> However, if you have a Mark IIXG, then you would be able to replace the DKC100R.
> 
> To avoid using floppy disks I suggest you acquire a laptop computer using Windows XP or bettter yet, even lower.  Also acquire a MIDI interface.  Use the software utilities to install playlist software and run your Disklavier from the laptop via the MIDI interface.
> 
> The original version of the Handbook of MIDI Player tools can be found at www.carolrpt.com as well as all the software you need.
> 
> Otherwise get your floppy disc drive replaced and your Disklavier regulated by a Disklavier tech, and buy the DKC850.
> 
> Carol
> 
> On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:29 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Carol,
> > Thank you for your reply. However, needing a working floppy confuses me--isn't the old DKC100R removed and the DKC850 put in its place? As I mentioned, the DKC100R has a problem with solenoid control, this is one thing I was hoping to get fixed with a new unit. I don't want to use floppies any more if I can store files on a USB drive.
> > 
> > Robert Morrison
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A Mark II Disklavier needs a working floppy drive even if upgrading to the DKC850. These floppy disk drives are still available from Yamaha. Sounds like you need a Disklavier tech and Yamaha will also recommend one. Their number is: 800-854-1569.
> > > 
> > > Carol Beigel
> > > 
> > > On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:25 PM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I have a C7 with this Disklavier, the floppy disk is the original 360K single density version and is now unable to read floppies. 
> > > > 
> > > > I contacted my Yamaha dealer, who said that I was out of luck--but I've searched the archives on this site, where it appears that I should have the ability to replace this box with a newer box that has USB capability. Is this correct? I told my piano tech, who is going to a Yamaha event shortly and he plans to try to get the straight scoop here. 
> > > > 
> > > > Note I am not really interested in another add-on box that works through MIDI--MIDI has never worked cleanly on my piano, and the solenoid letoff is too clipped, leading to rather poor reproduction of playing. My understanding is that this is a design issue fixed in later versions of the Disklavier, rather than being an adjustment issue (my tech has done several adjustment sequences to try to fix this without success).
> > > > 
> > > > Am I understanding this correctly?
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you, Robert Morrison
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by CarolRPT

I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II.  Can you please describe this?  I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.

Carol Beigel

Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by robertm

Hi Carol,
   My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note.  But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato.  Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking.  When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music.  

My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem.  I wrote to Yamaha years ago about this.  I found out from either my Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was not upgradable.  

I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't worry me too much.  But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this one out for my piano!

Robert Morrison

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
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>
> I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II.  Can you please describe this?  I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
> 
> Carol Beigel
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by CarolRPT

Does the playback music sound any better if you manually operate the sustain pedal?

Carol
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On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:38 AM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Carol,
> My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music. 
> 
> My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem. I wrote to Yamaha years ago about this. I found out from either my Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was not upgradable. 
> 
> I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't worry me too much. But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this one out for my piano!
> 
> Robert Morrison
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II. Can you please describe this? I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
> > 
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by Todd Muncy

How often do we tell you how much we love your contributions to this forum?  If any of us could get this kind of complimentary advice from our accounts or lawyers, we’d be ecstatic. You are the best.

From: CarolRPT 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:52 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

  

Does the playback music sound any better if you manually operate the sustain pedal?

Carol

On Feb 16, 2012, at 10:38 AM, "robertm" <morrisonpiano@...> wrote:


    
  Hi Carol,
  My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music. 

  My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem. I wrote to Yamaha years ago about this. I found out from either my Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was not upgradable. 

  I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't worry me too much. But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this one out for my piano!

  Robert Morrison

  --- In mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
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  >
  > I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II. Can you please describe this? I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
  > 
  > Carol Beigel
  >

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by Spencer chase

In order to really figure this out, it would help to have some real information instead of guesses. If there is truly a known issue with DKVs of your model and production date, it would be most important to know what that issue is. It is difficult to imagine that there is not some sort of fix that could be made to firmware but maybe that part of the control mechanism is not update able.

My off the wall guess is that the piano either does not record key release data at all or does it badly or does not respond to key release data that was recorded correctly. I do not know what models do or do not use key release data. If this is the case and it is not fixable with a firmware upgrade, it might be possible to post process the MIDI files to "improve" them. If the piano does not respond to or does not respond appropriately to key release data it might be possible to lengthen all notes slightly to achieve a degree of improvement.

I probably have a program somewhere that I wrote that does this. If not, it should not be difficult to modify a similar one to do this. If this is something you want to try, I'll look through my huge folder of utilities. Messing around a little with such a utility would not be a huge effort but it makes sense to first get as much information about the problem as possible.

If would also be useful to determine if it is a key release problem or if it is a pedal problem. Does it happen to all notes with and without sustain pedal?

On 2/16/2012 7:38 AM, robertm wrote:
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Hi Carol,
My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music.

My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem. I wrote to Yamaha years ago about this. I found out from either my Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was not upgradable.

I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't worry me too much. But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this one out for my piano!

Robert Morrison

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT wrote:
>
> I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II. Can you please describe this? I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
>
> Carol Beigel
>


-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by Bill Brandom

Key release velocity is captured and played back only on Disklavier  PROs, Mark IV and E3 systems.

Bill

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On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Spencer chase <lists@...> wrote:

> In order to really figure this out, it would help to have some real information instead of guesses. If there is truly a known issue with DKVs of your model and production date, it would be most important to know what that issue is. It is difficult to imagine that there is not some sort of fix that could be made to firmware but maybe that part of the control mechanism is not update able. 
> 
> My off the wall guess is that the piano either does not record key release data at all or does it badly or does not respond to key release data that was recorded correctly. I do not know what models do or do not use key release data. If this is the case and it is not fixable with a firmware upgrade, it might be possible to post process the MIDI files to "improve" them. If the piano does not respond to or does not respond appropriately to key release data it     might be possible to lengthen all notes slightly to achieve a degree of improvement. 
> 
> I probably have a program somewhere that I wrote that does this. If not, it should not be difficult to modify a similar one to do this. If this is something you want to try, I'll look through my huge folder of utilities. Messing around a little with such a utility would not be a huge effort but it makes sense to first get as much information about the problem as possible.
> 
> If would also be useful to determine if it is a key release problem or if it is a pedal problem. Does it happen to all notes with and without sustain pedal?
> 
> On 2/16/2012 7:38 AM, robertm wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Hi Carol,
>> My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music. 
>> 
>> My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem. I wrote to Yamaha years ago about this. I found out from either my Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was not upgradable. 
>> 
>> I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't worry me too much. But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this one out for my piano!
>> 
>> Robert Morrison
>> 
>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark II. Can you please describe this? I would be astounded that anything really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
>> > 
>> > Carol Beigel
>> >
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards, Spencer Chase
> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> Spencer@spencerserolls.com
> http://www.spencerserolls.com
> (707) 984-8356 
> (425) 791-0309
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-16 by Spencer chase

so maybe it would help to extend all notes or just softer ones a little 
to "improve" legato playing? any ideas? if someone wants to experiment, 
I'll write or adapt a program to do that.

On 2/16/2012 10:37 AM, Bill Brandom wrote:
> Key release velocity is captured and played back only on Disklavier 
>  PROs, Mark IV and E3 systems.
>
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Spencer chase <lists@... 
> <mailto:lists@...>> wrote:
>
>> In order to really figure this out, it would help to have some real 
>> information instead of guesses. If there is truly a known issue with 
>> DKVs of your model and production date, it would be most important to 
>> know what that issue is. It is difficult to imagine that there is not 
>> some sort of fix that could be made to firmware but maybe that part 
>> of the control mechanism is not update able.
>>
>> My off the wall guess is that the piano either does not record key 
>> release data at all or does it badly or does not respond to key 
>> release data that was recorded correctly. I do not know what models 
>> do or do not use key release data. If this is the case and it is not 
>> fixable with a firmware upgrade, it might be possible to post process 
>> the MIDI files to "improve" them. If the piano does not respond to or 
>> does not respond appropriately to key release data it might be 
>> possible to lengthen all notes slightly to achieve a degree of 
>> improvement.
>>
>> I probably have a program somewhere that I wrote that does this. If 
>> not, it should not be difficult to modify a similar one to do this. 
>> If this is something you want to try, I'll look through my huge 
>> folder of utilities. Messing around a little with such a utility 
>> would not be a huge effort but it makes sense to first get as much 
>> information about the problem as possible.
>>
>> If would also be useful to determine if it is a key release problem 
>> or if it is a pedal problem. Does it happen to all notes with and 
>> without sustain pedal?
>>
>> On 2/16/2012 7:38 AM, robertm wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Carol,
>>> My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard 
>>> to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right 
>>> when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even 
>>> when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the 
>>> string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how 
>>> quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got 
>>> the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic 
>>> sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I 
>>> overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering 
>>> with my enjoyment of the reproduced music.
>>>
>>> My piano technician is Yamaha certified to work on Disklaviers, and 
>>> has done several adjustments but was unable to fix the problem. I 
>>> wrote to Yamaha years ago about this. I found out from either my 
>>> Yamaha dealer or my tech (can't remember which now) that this was a 
>>> design issue of early Disklaviers that was later fixed by a 
>>> different solenoid or solenoid driver circuit, but that my piano was 
>>> not upgradable.
>>>
>>> I admit I might have this wrong, but I think this is what I heard, 
>>> and since I got the piano primarily as a workhorse instrument, and 
>>> the Disklavier part was a performance and teaching aid, it didn't 
>>> worry me too much. But I keep hoping that Yamaha has figured this 
>>> one out for my piano!
>>>
>>> Robert Morrison
>>>
>>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>>> <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>, CarolRPT <carol@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am curious about the mention of "solenoid clipping" on the Mark 
>>> II. Can you please describe this? I would be astounded that anything 
>>> really irritating cannot be fixed on a Disklavier.
>>> >
>>> > Carol Beigel
>>> >
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards, Spencer Chase
>> 67550-Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>> Spencer@...
>> http://www.spencerserolls.com
>> (707) 984-8356
>> (425) 791-0309
> 

-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-17 by athomik

Even without using key release data, as long as the let off is adjusted correctly, any note should ring on until the dampers return to the string. I would get the piano technician to make sure the regulation, is up to spec, esp. the dampers. Then go through the calibration procedure.

If a piano hasn't been regulated for some time, and then re-calibrated, particularly in a piano as old as a Mark II, there may be a mismatch between the mechanics and the electronics (esp. the piano tables).

Also bear in mind that, as new models were released, the recording and play back accuracy, esp at ppp, has been improved, so a Mark II will never play back as well as a Mark IV or E3, esp in view of Bill's comment.

athomik

On Feb 16 2012, Bill Brandom wrote:

>Key release velocity is captured and played back only on Disklavier PROs, Mark IV and E3 systems.
>
>Bill
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Feb 16, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Spencer chase wrote:

>> My off the wall guess is that the piano either does not record key release data at all or does it badly or does not respond to key release data that was recorded correctly. I do not know what models do or do not use key release data. If this is the case and it is not fixable with a firmware upgrade, it might be possible to post process the MIDI files to "improve" them. If the piano does not respond to or does not respond appropriately to key release data it might be possible to lengthen all notes slightly to achieve a degree of improvement.
>>
>> I probably have a program somewhere that I wrote that does this. If not, it should not be difficult to modify a similar one to do this. If this is something you want to try, I'll look through my huge folder of utilities. Messing around a little with such a utility would not be a huge effort but it makes sense to first get as much information about the problem as possible.
>>
>> If would also be useful to determine if it is a key release problem or if it is a pedal problem. Does it happen to all notes with and without sustain pedal?
>>
>> On 2/16/2012 7:38 AM, robertm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Carol,
>>> My Disklavier reproduces my playing fairly well as far as how hard to strike the note. But there is something that doesn't sound right when the note is released--sort of a cutoff staccato effect even when playing legato. Since the hammers have no contact with the string after striking, I would guess it has something to do with how quickly the solenoid releases at the moment of striking. When I got the Disklavier, I was so happy with being able to get an authentic sense of what the audience experiences when I play, that I overlooked this--but over time I realized that this was interfering with my enjoyment of the reproduced music.

Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-17 by robertm

Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues regarding my Disklavier better.  I had abandoned trying to get this resolved long ago, butnow more fully understand.  I will get the floppy replaced and will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future recordings.

Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal was not used.

My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed).  I had it done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation (arrrgh--I'm without my C7 for three weeks!!  All I have to practice on is a digital!)

Robert Morrison

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-17 by Mark Fontana

It sounds as if the "hold" force of the note solenoids needs to be 
adjusted (the reduced force, after the initial strike, that keeps a key 
depressed until it is due to be released).

If the problem seems to get worse after the piano has been playing a 
while, that would further support this hypothesis, as solenoids generate 
less force as they heat up, and I'm not sure whether this earlier model 
of Disklavier compensates for that effect.

Mark Fontana
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 05:39:33PM -0000, robertm wrote:
> 
> Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues 
> regarding my Disklavier better.  ...

> Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the 
> pedal was not used.

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-02-21 by Robert 69

Hi Robert,

Please pay attention to my protocol it works very well if followed:


 I have worked with the Mkll Disckavier since it came out. Wayne Stahnke was involved with the design of this system and several of his patents are utilized in the system. What I found really makes the MKll perform at its very best is the precise adjustment of each hammer sensor for the exact point of let-off. The damper timing is also very important also. I have verified this with Wayne himself and he respects my expertise. You have to understand this is a true reproducing piano and the sensors must be set exactly in order to get optimal performance when you run the Keyboard Measurement program that builds the expression tables that will determine the dynamic range the piano will operate at. Most people think the Keyboard Measurement is the fix all and adjusts the player to the action.  
> 

The secret is to use the sensor rail as your let off rail. Set it for 2 mm  and regulate the let off on each note so it beeps just as the jack leaves the knuckle not to long not to short and check that the drop is not so high that the sensor is tripped again at full dip.

This is the sequence: As you slowily raise the hammer there will be 2 beeps, the first one is the the switch on signal the 2nd one is the let off signal.  You have to hold and slowly move the key so you can hear and see the how long or short the point of let off beep is. It cannot be too long or too short just an exact Bleep as the Jack leaves the Knukle. The drop cannot be too high so as to not trigger the let off signal at full dip as well as too low that would trigger the turn on signal. It is important to check this.

 Keep the hammers form checking too low as well.

If this is done properly there should be no note clipping. Of course the rep springs can't be too strong. 

The dampers need to start lifting around 2 mm of dip and the key sensor has to be adjusted to start beeping just as the damper starts to lift.  

All this careful adjustment allows the Key Measurement program to really setup good expression tables.

Every Mkll that I have gone out to work on for the first time at least has never been setup and calibrated. Sure they seemed to play pretty good but when I checked the Key sensing and Hammer sensing as well as the pedal adjustment it was no where close to right.

I always use Live Performance Disc's because they are the base line with the greatest dynamic range. 

I have always been able to get a low level of play at the 0 setting.   

Hammers can be voiced softer by using 70% Isopropal Alcohol on the hammers. Many times the hammers are so hard that the piano is so bright it is even hard to tune.

I hope this sheds some light on the MKll, MKll XG And MKlll Loudness problem.

Robert Turner
205 559 3485

________________________________
Show quoted textHide quoted text
 From: robertm <morrisonpiano@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
 

  

Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues regarding my Disklavier better.  I had abandoned trying to get this resolved long ago, but now more fully understand.  I will get the floppy replaced and will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future recordings.

Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal was not used.

My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed).  I had it done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation (arrrgh--I'm without my C7 for three weeks!!  All I have to practice on is a digital!)

Robert Morrison

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-06-09 by Charles Muller Jr

Hi Carol,
I need some help. My wonderful Disklavier (Model DA1 II updated to a Mark II XG using the DKC 500RXG Control Unit and PC card substitution within the MAINS unit) has fallen asleep and won't wake up. Actually what happens, when I depress the Standby/On switch on the front panel of the Control Unit nothing lights up, no functions work, however, I do hear a relay activate within the MAINS unit. When I depress the switch again I hear a louder noise (deactivating the relay?).

My Mark IIXG manuals discuss a battery within the system that is soldered in place and should be replaced by a Disklavier Technician. The manual does not say where this battery (which lasts about 5 years) is located. Is the solution to my problem simply a battery replacement? That would be great! Do you have any idea the size and type of the battery and where it's located?

Regards,
Chuck Muller









On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Robert 69 <qpwo67@...> wrote:

Hi Robert,

Please pay attention to my protocol it works very well if followed:


I have worked with the Mkll Disckavier since it came out. Wayne Stahnke was involved with the design of this system and several of his patents are utilized in the system. What I found really makes the MKll perform at its very best is the precise adjustment of each hammer sensor for the exact point of let-off. The damper timing is also very important also. I have verified this with Wayne himself and he respects my expertise. You have to understand this is a true reproducing piano and the sensors must be set exactly in order to get optimal performance when you run the Keyboard Measurement program that builds the expression tables that will determine the dynamic range the piano will operate at. Most people think the Keyboard Measurement is the fix all and adjusts the player to the action.
>

The secret is to use the sensor rail as your let off rail. Set it for 2 mm and regulate the let off on each note so it beeps just as the jack leaves the knuckle not to long not to short and check that the drop is not so high that the sensor is tripped again at full dip.

This is the sequence: As you slowily raise the hammer there will be 2 beeps, the first one is the the switch on signal the 2nd one is the let off signal. You have to hold and slowly move the key so you can hear and see the how long or short the point of let off beep is. It cannot be too long or too short just an exact Bleep as the Jack leaves the Knukle. The drop cannot be too high so as to not trigger the let off signal at full dip as well as too low that would trigger the turn on signal. It is important to check this.

Keep the hammers form checking too low as well.

If this is done properly there should be no note clipping. Of course the rep springs can't be too strong.

The dampers need to start lifting around 2 mm of dip and the key sensor has to be adjusted to start beeping just as the damper starts to lift.

All this careful adjustment allows the Key Measurement program to really setup good expression tables.

Every Mkll that I have gone out to work on for the first time at least has never been setup and calibrated. Sure they seemed to play pretty good but when I checked the Key sensing and Hammer sensing as well as the pedal adjustment it was no where close to right.

I always use Live Performance Disc's because they are the base line with the greatest dynamic range.

I have always been able to get a low level of play at the 0 setting.

Hammers can be voiced softer by using 70% Isopropal Alcohol on the hammers. Many times the hammers are so hard that the piano is so bright it is even hard to tune.

I hope this sheds some light on the MKll, MKll XG And MKlll Loudness problem.

Robert Turner
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: robertm <morrisonpiano@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping


Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues regarding my Disklavier better. I had abandoned trying to get this resolved long ago, but now more fully understand. I will get the floppy replaced and will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future recordings.


Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal was not used.

My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed). I had it done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation (arrrgh--I';m without my C7 for three weeks!! All I have to practice on is a digital!)

Robert Morrison




Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-06-10 by athomik

The problem you describe will not be due to the battery. The battery merely powers the user memory. I suspect you have a power supply fault, or a problem with the regulators,etc, in the DKC (latter is less likely if you don't get anything). Check with Yamaha about a replacement power supply unit (getting hard to get hold of these days) or get an engineer to have a look at the power supply. Most of the components which usually fail in the power supply should still be available).

athomik

On Jun 9 2012, Charles Muller Jr wrote:

>Hi Carol,
>I need some help. My wonderful Disklavier (Model DA1 II updated to a Mark
>II XG using the DKC 500RXG Control Unit and PC card substitution within the
>MAINS unit) has fallen asleep and won't wake up. Actually what happens,
>when I depress the Standby/On switch on the front panel of the Control Unit
>nothing lights up, no functions work, however, I do hear a relay activate
>within the MAINS unit. When I depress the switch again I hear a louder
>noise (deactivating the relay?).
>
>My Mark IIXG manuals discuss a battery within the system that is soldered
>in place and should be replaced by a Disklavier Technician. The manual
>does not say where this battery (which lasts about 5 years) is located. Is
>the solution to my problem simply a battery replacement? That would be
>great! Do you have any idea the size and type of the battery and where
>it's located?
>
>Regards,
>Chuck Muller
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Robert 69 wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Please pay attention to my protocol it works very well if followed:
>>
>>
>> I have worked with the Mkll Disckavier since it came out. Wayne Stahnke
>> was involved with the design of this system and several of his patents are
>> utilized in the system. What I found really makes the MKll perform at its
>> very best is the precise adjustment of each hammer sensor for the exact
>> point of let-off. The damper timing is also very important also. I have
>> verified this with Wayne himself and he respects my expertise. You have to
>> understand this is a true reproducing piano and the sensors must be set
>> exactly in order to get optimal performance when you run the Keyboard
>> Measurement program that builds the expression tables that will determine
>> the dynamic range the piano will operate at. Most people think the Keyboard
>> Measurement is the fix all and adjusts the player to the action.
>> >
>>
>> The secret is to use the sensor rail as your let off rail. Set it for 2 mm
>> and regulate the let off on each note so it beeps just as the jack leaves
>> the knuckle not to long not to short and check that the drop is not so
>> high that the sensor is tripped again at full dip.
>>
>> This is the sequence: As you slowily raise the hammer there will be 2
>> beeps, the first one is the the switch on signal the 2nd one is the let off
>> signal. You have to hold and slowly move the key so you can hear and see
>> the how long or short the point of let off beep is. It cannot be too long
>> or too short just an exact Bleep as the Jack leaves the Knukle. The drop
>> cannot be too high so as to not trigger the let off signal at full dip as
>> well as too low that would trigger the turn on signal. It is important to
>> check this.
>>
>> Keep the hammers form checking too low as well.
>>
>> If this is done properly there should be no note clipping. Of course the
>> rep springs can't be too strong.
>>
>> The dampers need to start lifting around 2 mm of dip and the key sensor
>> has to be adjusted to start beeping just as the damper starts to lift.
>>
>> All this careful adjustment allows the Key Measurement program to really
>> setup good expression tables.
>>
>> Every Mkll that I have gone out to work on for the first time at least has
>> never been setup and calibrated. Sure they seemed to play pretty good but
>> when I checked the Key sensing and Hammer sensing as well as the pedal
>> adjustment it was no where close to right.
>>
>> I always use Live Performance Disc's because they are the base line with
>> the greatest dynamic range.
>>
>> I have always been able to get a low level of play at the 0 setting.
>>
>> Hammers can be voiced softer by using 70% Isopropal Alcohol on the
>> hammers. Many times the hammers are so hard that the piano is so bright it
>> is even hard to tune.
>>
>> I hope this sheds some light on the MKll, MKll XG And MKlll Loudness
>> problem.
>>
>> Robert Turner
>> 205 559 3485
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* robertm
>> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM
>> *Subject:* [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues
>> regarding my Disklavier better. I had abandoned trying to get this resolved
>> long ago, but now more fully understand. I will get the floppy replaced and
>> will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future
>> recordings.
>>
>>
>> Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal
>> was not used.
>>
>> My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the
>> piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed). I had it
>> done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has
>> taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation
>> (arrrgh--I'm without my C7 for three weeks!! All I have to practice on is a
>> digital!)
>>
>> Robert Morrison
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-06-19 by Robert 69

Hi Carol,

The three main things that fail eventually are the Display, the Floppy disk, and the Power supply.Being that this is a new DKC500RXG Things are pointing toward the power supply. The last few that I replaced Yamaha sends just the Power Supply board and the old one has to be taken out and reinstall the new one into the metal case. it is a little bit of a chore but worth it. 

RMT

________________________________
 From: athomik <mangez@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
 

  
The problem you describe will not be due to the battery. The battery merely powers the user memory. I suspect you have a power supply fault, or a problem with the regulators,etc, in the DKC (latter is less likely if you don't get anything). Check with Yamaha about a replacement power supply unit (getting hard to get hold of these days) or get an engineer to have a look at the power supply. Most of the components which usually fail in the power supply should still be available).

athomik
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Jun 9 2012, Charles Muller Jr wrote: 

>Hi Carol,
>I need some help.  My wonderful Disklavier (Model DA1 II updated to a Mark
>II XG using the DKC 500RXG Control Unit and PC card substitution within the
>MAINS unit) has fallen asleep and won't wake up.  Actually what happens,
>when I depress the Standby/On switch on the front panel of the Control Unit
>nothing lights up, no functions work, however, I do hear a relay activate
>within the MAINS unit.  When I depress the switch again I hear a louder
>noise (deactivating the relay?).
>
>My Mark IIXG manuals discuss a battery within the system that is soldered
>in place and should be replaced by a Disklavier Technician.  The manual
>does not say where this battery (which lasts about 5 years) is located.  Is
>the solution to my problem simply a battery replacement?  That would be
>great!  Do you have any idea the size and type of the battery and where
>it's located?
>
>Regards,
>Chuck Muller
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Robert 69  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Please pay attention to my protocol it works very well if followed:
>>
>>
>>  I have worked with the Mkll Disckavier since it came out. Wayne Stahnke
>> was involved with the design of this system and several of his patents are
>> utilized in the system. What I found really makes the MKll perform at its
>> very best is the precise adjustment of each hammer sensor for the exact
>> point of let-off. The damper timing is also very important also. I have
>> verified this with Wayne himself and he respects my expertise. You have to
>> understand this is a true reproducing piano and the sensors must be set
>> exactly in order to get optimal performance when you run the Keyboard
>> Measurement program that builds the expression tables that will determine
>> the dynamic range the piano will operate at. Most people think the Keyboard
>> Measurement is the fix all and adjusts the player to the action.
>> >
>>
>> The secret is to use the sensor rail as your let off rail. Set it for 2 mm
>>  and regulate the let off on each note so it beeps just as the jack leaves
>> the knuckle not to long not to short and check that the drop is not so
>> high that the sensor is tripped again at full dip.
>>
>> This is the sequence: As you slowily raise the hammer there will be 2
>> beeps, the first one is the the switch on signal the 2nd one is the let off
>> signal.  You have to hold and slowly move the key so you can hear and see
>> the how long or short the point of let off beep is. It cannot be too long
>> or too short just an exact Bleep as the Jack leaves the Knukle. The drop
>> cannot be too high so as to not trigger the let off signal at full dip as
>> well as too low that would trigger the turn on signal. It is important to
>> check this.
>>
>>  Keep the hammers form checking too low as well.
>>
>> If this is done properly there should be no note clipping. Of course the
>> rep springs can't be too strong.
>>
>> The dampers need to start lifting around 2 mm of dip and the key sensor
>> has to be adjusted to start beeping just as the damper starts to lift.
>>
>> All this careful adjustment allows the Key Measurement program to really
>> setup good expression tables.
>>
>> Every Mkll that I have gone out to work on for the first time at least has
>> never been setup and calibrated. Sure they seemed to play pretty good but
>> when I checked the Key sensing and Hammer sensing as well as the pedal
>> adjustment it was no where close to right.
>>
>> I always use Live Performance Disc's because they are the base line with
>> the greatest dynamic range.
>>
>> I have always been able to get a low level of play at the 0 setting.
>>
>> Hammers can be voiced softer by using 70% Isopropal Alcohol on the
>> hammers. Many times the hammers are so hard that the piano is so bright it
>> is even hard to tune.
>>
>> I hope this sheds some light on the MKll, MKll XG And MKlll Loudness
>> problem.
>>
>> Robert Turner
>> 205 559 3485
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* robertm 
>> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM
>> *Subject:* [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues
>> regarding my Disklavier better. I had abandoned trying to get this resolved
>> long ago, but now more fully understand. I will get the floppy replaced and
>> will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future
>> recordings.
>>
>>
>> Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal
>> was not used.
>>
>> My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the
>> piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed). I had it
>> done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has
>> taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation
>> (arrrgh--I'm without my C7 for three weeks!! All I have to practice on is a
>> digital!)
>>
>> Robert Morrison
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping

2012-06-20 by athomik

Hi,
I don't know if it's still available, but the part number for the power supply unit (complete) should be VP182900 (for the US & Canada). Check with Yamaha to see if they still stock it.

athomik

On Jun 19 2012, Robert 69 wrote:

>Hi Carol,
>
>The three main things that fail eventually are the Display, the Floppy disk, and the Power supply.Being that this is a new DKC500RXG Things are pointing toward the power supply. The last few that I replaced Yamaha sends just the Power Supply board and the old one has to be taken out and reinstall the new one into the metal case. it is a little bit of a chore but worth it.Â
>
>RMT
>
>________________________________
> From: athomik
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
>
>

>The problem you describe will not be due to the battery. The battery merely powers the user memory. I suspect you have a power supply fault, or a problem with the regulators,etc, in the DKC (latter is less likely if you don't get anything). Check with Yamaha about a replacement power supply unit (getting hard to get hold of these days) or get an engineer to have a look at the power supply. Most of the components which usually fail in the power supply should still be available).
>
>athomik
>
>On Jun 9 2012, Charles Muller Jr wrote:
>
>>Hi Carol,
>>I need some help. My wonderful Disklavier (Model DA1 II updated to a Mark
>>II XG using the DKC 500RXG Control Unit and PC card substitution within the
>>MAINS unit) has fallen asleep and won't wake up. Actually what happens,
>>when I depress the Standby/On switch on the front panel of the Control Unit
>>nothing lights up, no functions work, however, I do hear a relay activate
>>within the MAINS unit. When I depress the switch again I hear a louder
>>noise (deactivating the relay?).
>>
>>My Mark IIXG manuals discuss a battery within the system that is soldered
>>in place and should be replaced by a Disklavier Technician. The manual
>>does not say where this battery (which lasts about 5 years) is located. Is
>>the solution to my problem simply a battery replacement? That would be
>>great! Do you have any idea the size and type of the battery and where
>>it's located?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Chuck Muller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Robert 69 wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> Please pay attention to my protocol it works very well if followed:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have worked with the Mkll Disckavier since it came out. Wayne Stahnke
>>> was involved with the design of this system and several of his patents are
>>> utilized in the system. What I found really makes the MKll perform at its
>>> very best is the precise adjustment of each hammer sensor for the exact
>>> point of let-off. The damper timing is also very important also. I have
>>> verified this with Wayne himself and he respects my expertise. You have to
>>> understand this is a true reproducing piano and the sensors must be set
>>> exactly in order to get optimal performance when you run the Keyboard
>>> Measurement program that builds the expression tables that will determine
>;>> the dynamic range the piano will operate at. Most people think the Keyboard
>>> Measurement is the fix all and adjusts the player to the action.
>>> >
>>>
>>> The secret is to use the sensor rail as your let off rail. Set it for 2 mm
>>> and regulate the let off on each note so it beeps just as the jack leaves
>>> the knuckle not to long not to short and check that the drop is not so
>>> high that the sensor is tripped again at full dip.
>>>
>>> This is the sequence: As you slowily raise the hammer there will be 2
>>> beeps, the first one is the the switch on signal the 2nd one is the let off
>>> signal. You have to hold and slowly move the key so you can hear and see
>>> the how long or short the point of let off beep is. It cannot be too long
>>> or too short just an exact Bleep as the Jack leaves the Knukle. The drop
>>> cannot be too high so as to not trigger the let off signal at full dip as
>>> well as too low that would trigger the turn on signal. It is important to
>>> check this.
>>>
>>> Keep the hammers form checking too low as well.
>>>
>>> If this is done properly there should be no note clipping. Of course the
>>> rep springs can't be too strong.
>>>
>>> The dampers need to start lifting around 2 mm of dip and the key sensor
>>> has to be adjusted to start beeping just as the damper starts to lift.
>>>
>>> All this careful adjustment allows the Key Measurement program to really
>>> setup good expression tables.
>>>
>>> Every Mkll that I have gone out to work on for the first time at least has
>>> never been setup and calibrated. Sure they seemed to play pretty good but
>>> when I checked the Key sensing and Hammer sensing as well as the pedal
>>> adjustment it was no where close to right.
>>>
>>> I always use Live Performance Disc's because they are the base line with
>>> the greatest dynamic range.
>>>
>>> I have always been able to get a low level of play at the 0 setting.
>>>
>>> Hammers can be voiced softer by using 70% Isopropal Alcohol on the
>>> hammers. Many times the hammers are so hard that the piano is so bright it
>>> is even hard to tune.
>>>
>>> I hope this sheds some light on the MKll, MKll XG And MKlll Loudness
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Robert Turner
>>> 205 559 3485
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* robertm
>>> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2012 11:39 AM
>>> *Subject:* [disklavier] Re: solenoid clipping
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for all your replies, this helps me understand the issues
>>> regarding my Disklavier better. I had abandoned trying to get this resolved
>>> long ago, but now more fully understand. I will get the floppy replaced and
>>> will probably set up a laptop with MAXMSP to drive MIDI for future
>>> recordings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Carol--the problem with the cutoff effect was present even when the pedal
>>> was not used.
>>>
>>> My piano technician has checked the regulation and has indicated that the
>>> piano was in fairly good shape (regulation probably not needed). I had it
>>> done about 10 years ago, but since the bushings are pretty worn he has
>>> taken the action and will rework everything including the regulation
>>> (arrrgh--I'm without my C7 for three weeks!! All I have to practice on is a
>>> digital!)
>>>
>>> Robert Morrison
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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