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Re: Wild idea

Re: Wild idea

2005-11-18 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>Just throwing out a wild idea here, don't read too much into it yet...
>
>Suppose that the stooges found a way to eliminate many of the barriers
>to getting custom panels fast. The catch would be, that the finish
>would not match the current MOTM standard, and might not be able to
>match dotcom exactly either.

I for one would like a service with constant prices. The schaefer pricing
method has scared me right away from their service. 

I think the reality of the situation is that there are a lot of people who
are not too fussed if their panels exactly match MOTM or whatever, going on
the number of times I've seen red, blue and green panels alongside MOTM. The
true MOTM purists wouldn't want custom modules anyway.

Ken
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Re: Wild idea

2005-11-18 by mate_stubb

FWIW, from my standpoint there aren't many MOTM purists, in the sense
that they only want modules produced by SynthTech. After all, the slow
trickle of new SynthTech modules was what fueled demand for stooge
panels in the first place. If MOTM had sprung full blown into the
world like dotcom did, I doubt I would ever have gotten started.

In fact, the hottest recent trend for stooge panels has been your
designs, Ken. Since Oakley has bowed out, and we've covered most of
the exotic Blacet stuff already, people are branching out and
discovering other stuff. It's like a plague of locusts, fanning out
and sucking up all the module designs in the world!

However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to match. That's one thing
that worries me about this whole scheme. I guess the "perfect world"
thing would be to offer the new custom fast turn around stuff
alongside the perfect match silkscreened stuff. It's just like
wrestling cats to line up metal vendor, metal painter, silkscreen
maker, customers, etc.

Moe

--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:

> I think the reality of the situation is that there are a lot of
people who
> are not too fussed if their panels exactly match MOTM or whatever,
going on
> the number of times I've seen red, blue and green panels alongside
MOTM. The
> true MOTM purists wouldn't want custom modules anyway.

Re: engravers/software

2005-11-18 by ~Morbius~

So, you're looking at buying a laser engraver? If so... you really should get some decent engraving/signmaking software. Corel is much more for printing/publishing, and can't do many of the things that you're gonna need to do, and is not well suited for this. Decent sign-making software would allow you to match fonts easily. You can even scan an original, then overlay your next text sized to fit... and locate the matching font, kerning, word spacing, line spacing, stroke, % of slant (some incorrectly think of this as 'itallics')... everything about it.
Engravers don't deal with photos or even colors, but rather vector-graphics.... just lines. These files are very small in size... and the engraver is only following the outlines and fills. This is much better than scanning the original art, then vectorizing it, then trying to clean it up. Doing lines, circles, shapes, dials, etc. are all things vector graphics are perfectly suited for.
~Morb~
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Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea

FWIW, from my standpoint there aren't many MOTM purists, in the sense
that they only want modules produced by SynthTech. After all, the slow
trickle of new SynthTech modules was what fueled demand for stooge
panels in the first place. If MOTM had sprung full blown into the
world like dotcom did, I doubt I would ever have gotten started.

In fact, the hottest recent trend for stooge panels has been your
designs, Ken. Since Oakley has bowed out, and we've covered most of
the exotic Blacet stuff already, people are branching out and
discovering other stuff. It's like a plague of locusts, fanning out
and sucking up all the module designs in the world!

However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to match. That's one thing
that worries me about this whole scheme. I guess the "perfect world"
thing would be to offer the new custom fast turn around stuff
alongside the perfect match silkscreened stuff. It's just like
wrestling cats to line up metal vendor, metal painter, silkscreen
maker, customers, etc.

Moe

--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:

> I think the reality of the situation is that there are a lot of
people who
> are not too fussed if their panels exactly match MOTM or whatever,
going on
> the number of times I've seen red, blue and green panels alongside
MOTM. The
> true MOTM purists wouldn't want custom modules anyway.




Re: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea

2005-11-19 by john mahoney

> However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to match. That's
> one thing that worries me about this whole scheme.

Would it be feasible to laser engrave the MOTM-style black finish, too? That
would provide a look that's closer to MOTM, for those who are so inclined.
In fact, I might be so inclined, myself.
--
john

Re: engravers/software

2005-11-20 by Clive

Hi All,

I have just downloaded the 'Front Panel Designer' software with a view
to designing some of my own Dotcom panels. To be truthful, I'm
struggling with it.

I wondered if anyone had a Dotcom panel layout in the 'FPD' format
that I could edit, to try and learn the ropes, so to speak.

I don't want to copy anyone's design, I'd like to come up with
something new. I've found someone in England....

http://monopole.ph.qmul.ac.uk/~thomas/synthdiy/cnc.htm 

...who can engrave panels at a very reasonable price....if I can
provide the FPD file.

Any help would be appreciated.

Take care,

Clive. 

--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "~Morbius~" <morbius@b...> wrote:
>
> So, you're looking at buying a laser engraver? If so... you really
should get some decent engraving/signmaking software. Corel is much
more for printing/publishing, and can't do many of the things that
you're gonna need to do, and is not well suited for this. Decent
sign-making software would allow you to match fonts easily. You can
even scan an original, then overlay your next text sized to fit... and
locate the matching font, kerning, word spacing, line spacing, stroke,
% of slant (some incorrectly think of this as 'itallics')...
everything about it. 
> 
> Engravers don't deal with photos or even colors, but rather
vector-graphics.... just lines. These files are very small in size...
and the engraver is only following the outlines and fills. This is
much better than scanning the original art, then vectorizing it, then
trying to clean it up. Doing lines, circles, shapes, dials, etc. are
all things vector graphics are perfectly suited for.
> 
> ~Morb~ 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: mate_stubb 
>   To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:56 PM
>   Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea
> 
> 
>   FWIW, from my standpoint there aren't many MOTM purists, in the sense
>   that they only want modules produced by SynthTech. After all, the slow
>   trickle of new SynthTech modules was what fueled demand for stooge
>   panels in the first place. If MOTM had sprung full blown into the
>   world like dotcom did, I doubt I would ever have gotten started.
> 
>   In fact, the hottest recent trend for stooge panels has been your
>   designs, Ken. Since Oakley has bowed out, and we've covered most of
>   the exotic Blacet stuff already, people are branching out and
>   discovering other stuff. It's like a plague of locusts, fanning out
>   and sucking up all the module designs in the world!
> 
>   However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to match. That's one thing
>   that worries me about this whole scheme. I guess the "perfect world"
>   thing would be to offer the new custom fast turn around stuff
>   alongside the perfect match silkscreened stuff. It's just like
>   wrestling cats to line up metal vendor, metal painter, silkscreen
>   maker, customers, etc.
> 
>   Moe
> 
>   --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, sasami@h... wrote:
> 
>   > I think the reality of the situation is that there are a lot of
>   people who
>   > are not too fussed if their panels exactly match MOTM or whatever,
>   going on
>   > the number of times I've seen red, blue and green panels alongside
>   MOTM. The
>   > true MOTM purists wouldn't want custom modules anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Wild idea

2005-11-20 by mate_stubb

The laser wouldn't engrave the finish, just the graphics. You would
anodize the panel black first, then burn away the black to expose the
silver aluminum underneath for the legends.

Black anodizing would not match the motm polane spatter finish paint
exactly. From a few feet away, it would not look much different. The
graphics would be aluminum in color though, not white. Like the
original modcans.

Moe

--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "john mahoney" <jmahoney@g...> wrote:
>
> > However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to match. That's
> > one thing that worries me about this whole scheme.
> 
> Would it be feasible to laser engrave the MOTM-style black finish,
too? That
> would provide a look that's closer to MOTM, for those who are so
inclined.
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> In fact, I might be so inclined, myself.
> --
> john
>

Re: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea

2005-11-20 by Jay

mate_stubb wrote:

> Black anodizing would not match the motm polane spatter finish paint
> exactly. From a few feet away, it would not look much different. The
> graphics would be aluminum in color though, not white. Like the
> original modcans.

Or Moog modules.

Re: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea

2005-11-20 by Markk Roberts

just to add my .02 I'd be a buyer...  :-)

Let me know your plans...

Markk

--- mate_stubb <mate_stubb@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The laser wouldn't engrave the finish, just the
> graphics. You would
> anodize the panel black first, then burn away the
> black to expose the
> silver aluminum underneath for the legends.
> 
> Black anodizing would not match the motm polane
> spatter finish paint
> exactly. From a few feet away, it would not look
> much different. The
> graphics would be aluminum in color though, not
> white. Like the
> original modcans.
> 
> Moe
> 
> --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "john mahoney"
> <jmahoney@g...> wrote:
> >
> > > However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to
> match. That's
> > > one thing that worries me about this whole
> scheme.
> > 
> > Would it be feasible to laser engrave the
> MOTM-style black finish,
> too? That
> > would provide a look that's closer to MOTM, for
> those who are so
> inclined.
> > In fact, I might be so inclined, myself.
> > --
> > john
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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Re: [dotcomformat] Re: Wild idea

2005-11-20 by Rod Swanson

I am working on some on-off stuff for myself, and I would be very interested
in laser engraving.

Rod 
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On 11/20/05 1:05 PM, "Markk Roberts" <moog960seq@yahoo.com> wrote:

> just to add my .02 I'd be a buyer...  :-)
> 
> Let me know your plans...
> 
> Markk
> 
> --- mate_stubb <mate_stubb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> > The laser wouldn't engrave the finish, just the
>> > graphics. You would
>> > anodize the panel black first, then burn away the
>> > black to expose the
>> > silver aluminum underneath for the legends.
>> > 
>> > Black anodizing would not match the motm polane
>> > spatter finish paint
>> > exactly. From a few feet away, it would not look
>> > much different. The
>> > graphics would be aluminum in color though, not
>> > white. Like the
>> > original modcans.
>> > 
>> > Moe
>> > 
>> > --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "john mahoney"
>> > <jmahoney@g...> wrote:
>>> > >
>>>> > > > However, MOTM folk DO like their panels to
>> > match. That's
>>>> > > > one thing that worries me about this whole
>> > scheme.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Would it be feasible to laser engrave the
>> > MOTM-style black finish,
>> > too? That
>>> > > would provide a look that's closer to MOTM, for
>> > those who are so
>> > inclined.
>>> > > In fact, I might be so inclined, myself.
>>> > > --
>>> > > john
>>> > >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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