Elektron Musical Instruments

> 
> Its so irking to have the pause! For the cash that I
> spent on it I
> would expect it.
> 
> 
> -Micah
> 

Whatever man. You got an awesome deal. If you're so
dis-satisfied because of this feature, I recommend you
trade it back in and get a laptop like every other
kid.


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Umm... I spent more on my MnM, and MD than I would have on a sick ass
laptop, because I did not view it as fun to use. Yeah it can do
anything well, but I want hardware that can do one or two things
excellent. I am behind computers for 11hrs a day at times, I dont want
to be behind one at home as well. 

The MIDI note off problem with my MnM is going to force me to use a
laptop to sequence everything...  This is not what I was planning on
doing, as I love the MnM sequencer. I know that a computer is great
for samples, and VSTIs, _BUT_ a simple RS7000 is exactly what I wanted
for that job.

I am very demanding of the feature set of my equipment, and don't mind
dishing out the cash. Maybe because I work in customer support for a
large .com is why I understand the importance of customer feedback.

I personally would love to see the MnM, and MD be more than they
currently are, and would love to get my hands on the source code. LOL

C-mon what is it going to take to get a remix feature added that would
be awesome!


-M


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, tom23 <user29a@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Its so irking to have the pause! For the cash that I
> > spent on it I
> > would expect it.
> > 
> > 
> > -Micah
> > 
> 
> Whatever man. You got an awesome deal. If you're so
> dis-satisfied because of this feature, I recommend you
> trade it back in and get a laptop like every other
> kid.
> 
> 
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entrails of the last priest."       - Denis Diderot

> 
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On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 09:56:57PM -0000, finite_sf wrote:
> 
> C-mon what is it going to take to get a remix feature added that would
> be awesome!

my biggest and most unrealistic elektron wish would be a
total rewrite, so that each track {esp on the MD} is a midi
channel, and individual track patterns {motifs, in quasimidi
terms} could be swapped on the fly.  this is how the
quasimidi 309 implemented it (as quasimidi did with most of
their synths}, as did e-mu for their command stations.

it's a hell of a lot more flexible, and certainly better for
playing/sequencing on the fly.

but i realise that that's pie in the sky stuff.  i sold the
MD because its MIDI and sequencer implementation didn't
agree with me, but bought one again because it sounds so
damned great.  sequencer and MIDI be damned, it's still the
last word in percussion synthesis*, in my book.  take me
back, elektron, i've learned my lesson!  i love you more
than ever!

* admittedly, i've never used the wavedrum ;)

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> Umm... I spent more on my MnM, and MD than I would have on a sick ass
> laptop, because I did not view it as fun to use. Yeah it can do
> anything well, but I want hardware that can do one or two things
> excellent. I am behind computers for 11hrs a day at times, I dont want
> to be behind one at home as well.
>
> The MIDI note off problem with my MnM is going to force me to use a
> laptop to sequence everything...  This is not what I was planning on
> doing, as I love the MnM sequencer. I know that a computer is great
> for samples, and VSTIs, _BUT_ a simple RS7000 is exactly what I wanted
> for that job.
>
> I am very demanding of the feature set of my equipment, and don't mind
> dishing out the cash. Maybe because I work in customer support for a
> large .com is why I understand the importance of customer feedback.
>
> I personally would love to see the MnM, and MD be more than they
> currently are, and would love to get my hands on the source code. LOL
>
> C-mon what is it going to take to get a remix feature added that would
> be awesome!


Get in touch with Elektron and suggest them the features you would like 
to see implemented.
Elektron has the best customer support ever!

can they make it to were both the MnM and MD can
accept wave forms 



--- Federico Ciapi <federico.ciapi@...> wrote:

> > Umm... I spent more on my MnM, and MD than I would
> have on a sick ass
> > laptop, because I did not view it as fun to use.
> Yeah it can do
> > anything well, but I want hardware that can do one
> or two things
> > excellent. I am behind computers for 11hrs a day
> at times, I dont want
> > to be behind one at home as well.
> >
> > The MIDI note off problem with my MnM is going to
> force me to use a
> > laptop to sequence everything...  This is not what
> I was planning on
> > doing, as I love the MnM sequencer. I know that a
> computer is great
> > for samples, and VSTIs, _BUT_ a simple RS7000 is
> exactly what I wanted
> > for that job.
> >
> > I am very demanding of the feature set of my
> equipment, and don't mind
> > dishing out the cash. Maybe because I work in
> customer support for a
> > large .com is why I understand the importance of
> customer feedback.
> >
> > I personally would love to see the MnM, and MD be
> more than they
> > currently are, and would love to get my hands on
> the source code. LOL
> >
> > C-mon what is it going to take to get a remix
> feature added that would
> > be awesome!
> 
> 
> Get in touch with Elektron and suggest them the
> features you would like 
> to see implemented.
> Elektron has the best customer support ever!
> 
> 



		
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The wave maker machine should be added to the MnM then
we can make our own wave for sound source and tweak
the shit out of it! =)


		
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> can they make it to were both the MnM and MD can
> accept wave forms
>


As I said, ask them.

But, I really doubt that is possible nor they are interested.
Just because I think that their next instrument could be a sampler.

anyone here going to frankfurt musikmesse?  let us know if
the elektrons will be there, please.

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On Apr 5, 2005, at 5:56 PM, finite_sf wrote:

>  I am very demanding of the feature set of my equipment, and don't mind
>  dishing out the cash. Maybe because I work in customer support for a
>  large .com is why I understand the importance of customer feedback.

as does Elektron.  I've had the MnM since it was in the beta-test mode 
where only
100 friends received it with a half-finished OS.  we were given a web 
submission form
where we could report bugs and request features.  name one other 
synthesizer
manufacturer who has ever done something that close to their 
customers...

the sick part is that a huge part of these requests were implemented.  
the MnM
didn't originally have a facility for one-handed muting (take a look at 
the friend
100 units; they don't say MUTE below the bank button), we asked for it 
and got it.
the song sequencer didn't do individual transposing of tracks.  we 
asked for it
and got it.  we asked for more effects machines and got them.  we asked 
for sequencing
in poly mode and got it.  we asked for page copying and got it.  we 
asked for
a super copy/paste mode and got it.  the list goes on and on and on.  
the fact
is that they added a TON of features because their customers asked for 
them, they
evaluated the requests and decided which ones were most popular, most
appropriate to the spirit of the machine and could be worked well into 
the
interface.  they did the same thing with the MD OS this past year.

but you have to stop at some point; not everyone can get that ONE 
feature
that would just make the machine perfect for them.  if the feature's 
that
important to you, then request it from them.  maybe you'll see it in a
future OS; and if you don't, there's a good reason for it.  but don't 
for a
second sit here and say that they don't listen to customer feedback
because that's complete BS and anyone that's been in this forum
long enough knows that.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

my MnM's been in a box for two months {moving's a drag}.
remind me: is there a way to select a pattern with one
hand, a la the MD?  so you touch A and then 4, and the MnM
changes pattern?  iirc, you had to hold the bank button and
then select the pattern.  i got hella spoiled by the MD on
that account.  has it changed, yet?

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 2005, at 5:56 PM, finite_sf wrote:
> 
> >  I am very demanding of the feature set of my equipment, and don't
mind
> >  dishing out the cash. Maybe because I work in customer support for a
> >  large .com is why I understand the importance of customer feedback.
> 
> as does Elektron.  I've had the MnM since it was in the beta-test mode 
> where only
> 100 friends received it with a half-finished OS.  we were given a web 
> submission form
> where we could report bugs and request features.  name one other 
> synthesizer
> manufacturer who has ever done something that close to their 
> customers...

I never said that Elektron does not listen... I just stated I was
irked, by a "featured pause" and was told to shut up, and get a
laptop. So far I have been super happy with the quality, and support
of the products... features are icing on the cake... but lets face it
they are what sell the product.

I love the fact that elektron takes a active interest in feature
requests. Here are some other companys that do take a active interest
as well. 

http://www.future-retro.com/
http://www.synthcom.com/contactus.html

> 
> the sick part is that a huge part of these requests were implemented.  
> the MnM
> didn't originally have a facility for one-handed muting (take a look at 
> the friend
> 100 units; they don't say MUTE below the bank button), we asked for it 
> and got it.

AWESOME!

> the song sequencer didn't do individual transposing of tracks.  we 
> asked for it
> and got it.  we asked for more effects machines and got them.  we asked 
> for sequencing
> in poly mode and got it.  we asked for page copying and got it.  we 
> asked for
> a super copy/paste mode and got it.  the list goes on and on and on.  
> the fact
> is that they added a TON of features because their customers asked for 
> them, they
> evaluated the requests and decided which ones were most popular, most
> appropriate to the spirit of the machine and could be worked well into 
> the
> interface.  they did the same thing with the MD OS this past year.

AWESOME!

> 
> but you have to stop at some point; not everyone can get that ONE 
> feature
> that would just make the machine perfect for them.

I know... but both of the companys listed above are run by 2 people,
and 2 people only... and they apeared at the time to have done more
then Elektron... I am still dealing with a MIDI note off problem on my
MnM.
 

  if the feature's 
> that
> important to you, then request it from them.  maybe you'll see it in a
> future OS; and if you don't, there's a good reason for it.  but don't 
> for a
> second sit here and say that they don't listen to customer feedback
> because that's complete BS and anyone that's been in this forum
> long enough knows that.

I stated that I was unhappy with a "feature" that of not having the
ability to paste a track to differnt pattern, before changing to that
pattern. I was told to buy a laptop V_V and that is not a option that
I am happy with. I know how to work with in the limitations of the
unit... I just dont like to.

> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello all,

I'm a new MD owner and I'm thrilled so far.  I would like to know if 
there is a 1.2 addendum to the manual that discusses the additions from 1.12

>  I never said that Elektron does not listen... I just stated I was
>  irked, by a "featured pause" and was told to shut up, and get a
>  laptop. So far I have been super happy with the quality, and support
>  of the products... features are icing on the cake... but lets face it
>  they are what sell the product.

right but if you can't live without this one feature, then perhaps
you should have done your homework before dropping $1350 on it and
badmouthing the company for the machine not being what you expected.

>  I love the fact that elektron takes a active interest in feature
>  requests. Here are some other companys that do take a active interest
>  as well.
>
>  http://www.future-retro.com/
>  http://www.synthcom.com/contactus.html

cool.  I was not aware that future-retro was so responsive to their
customers.

>  > but you have to stop at some point; not everyone can get that ONE
>  > feature
>  > that would just make the machine perfect for them.
>
>  I know... but both of the companys listed above are run by 2 people,
>  and 2 people only... and they apeared at the time to have done more
>  then Elektron... I am still dealing with a MIDI note off problem on my
>  MnM.

right but you're talking about bugs now, not features.
and are you trying to say that the companies listed
above have no bugs whatsoever with their products?
I highly doubt it.  the bug will be fixed, I'm certain.
if you can't wait for it then you will have to pursue
other means.  that's kind of the nature of the beast
when dealing with electronic instruments.

>  I stated that I was unhappy with a "feature" that of not having
> the
>  ability to paste a track to differnt pattern, before changing to that
>  pattern. I was told to buy a laptop V_V and that is not a option that
>  I am happy with. I know how to work with in the limitations of the
>  unit... I just dont like to.

then you probably shouldn't be using hardware.  hardware certainly
has more limitations than software and encourages creativity by
forcing you to work within them.

>      my MnM's been in a box for two months {moving's a drag}.
>  remind me: is there a way to select a pattern with one
>  hand, a la the MD?  so you touch A and then 4, and the MnM
>  changes pattern?

yes, you can do that on the MnM.  it takes only one hand only if
the pattern number is within a hand's reach of the bank letter
button, though.  same as on the MD...

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 08:20:24AM -0400, jmelnyk@... wrote:
> 
> >      my MnM's been in a box for two months {moving's a drag}.
> >  remind me: is there a way to select a pattern with one
> >  hand, a la the MD?  so you touch A and then 4, and the MnM
> >  changes pattern?
> 
> yes, you can do that on the MnM.  it takes only one hand only if
> the pattern number is within a hand's reach of the bank letter
> button, though.  same as on the MD...

let me make sure we're on the same page, joe - 

on the MD, you can hit the bank button, and it's active for
a few seconds, and then you can select a pattern.  it's pretty
one-handed any way you try it.

the last time i used the mnm, you had to _hold_ the bank key
and select the pattern.  is this still the case?

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> the last time i used the mnm, you had to _hold_ the bank key
> and select the pattern.  is this still the case?

This is still the case.

Toni.

>  let me make sure we're on the same page, joe -
>
>  on the MD, you can hit the bank button, and it's active for
>  a few seconds, and then you can select a pattern.  it's pretty
>  one-handed any way you try it.
>
>  the last time i used the mnm, you had to _hold_ the bank key
>  and select the pattern.  is this still the case?

oh yeah, duh!  one handed muting :-)  sorry about that; I
forgot all about that feature (never use it, I guess).

someone else says no, so I assume that that's true.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:07:34AM -0400, jmelnyk@... wrote:
> 
> >  let me make sure we're on the same page, joe -
> >
> >  on the MD, you can hit the bank button, and it's active for
> >  a few seconds, and then you can select a pattern.  it's pretty
> >  one-handed any way you try it.
> >
> >  the last time i used the mnm, you had to _hold_ the bank key
> >  and select the pattern.  is this still the case?
> 
> oh yeah, duh!  one handed muting :-)  sorry about that; I
> forgot all about that feature (never use it, I guess).

gah!  =)

no, not muting - bank/pattern selection.

but it looks like it's not there, yet {thanks, toni}.

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>  gah!  =)
>
>  no, not muting - bank/pattern selection.

my brain doesn't work today. :-(

I believe it was just a text file that comes with the download install 
for 1.20.  But yea a new download updated manual would be cool.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@t...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm a new MD owner and I'm thrilled so far.  I would like to know if 
> there is a 1.2 addendum to the manual that discusses the additions 
from 1.12