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machinedrum price : 1100?!?!

machinedrum price : 1100?!?!

2001-02-27 by Sean Welch

> >weve heard $1100  u.s.
> >ouch!

1100??! SHA! sorry elektron...u can fly solo on this one. thats a rediculous 
price for a box man. even if its offering all that stuff.....still, i could 
buy almost 4 tribes for that. hell..get myself a microwave XTR for that. I'm 
sorry, but the machinedrum is side gear...like the sid. its not something u 
NEED. shit...for that, u can get a 303 (i know..u need one like a hole in ur 
head...personally, i'd curcuit bend one), or 909, or 808.

and especially, comming from a 17year old (experienced electronic musician 
here), That price is plain unfair! Its hard enough pulling bux together to 
get nessisary gear ( i do work, and sale fine art ).

if u want some serious market status on the machinedrum, i suggest greatly 
lowering that price.....like about half.  find a way to produce it cheaper, 
or what ever ( Not FIZMO cheap ....thats just irresponsible). But bring it 
down man...... I've been psyked about this thing for close to 5 or 6
months...and this is just down right dissapointing.

out
-sean
>
> >weve heard $1100  u.s.
> >ouch!
> >
> >Sean Welch wrote:
> >
> > > ok....but I do need to know something...what is the expected USD 
>PRICE?
> > > I'm sure everyone else is wondering this to...SO HOOK US UP!
> > > -sean
> > >

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Re: [elektron] machinedrum price : 1100?!?!

2001-02-27 by Janne G-son Berg

On Tue Feb 27 2001, Sean Welch <s_man97@...> wrote:

> if u want some serious market status on the machinedrum, i suggest greatly 
> lowering that price.....like about half.  find a way to produce it cheaper, 
> or what ever ( Not FIZMO cheap ....thats just irresponsible). But bring it 
> down man...... I've been psyked about this thing for close to 5 or 6
> months...and this is just down right dissapointing.

Sorry, but if a piece of gear costs say $500 to produce then one won't
sell it cheaper. Investors and such are not fond of companies selling
stuff cheaper than the cost to produce them (included wages, taxes,
new hardware and so on).

And nothing has been said about the price yet. Rumours is what you are
talking about. Please wait and see. If you can't afford it then let it
be. 

Elektron are not obliged to provide cheap stuff. They are a small
company, the number of machines they sell of a particular product
isn't as high as those of Korg/Yamaha/Roland. That means more
expensive products.

"Hey, I can buy an old C64 for nothing, so why is the Sidstation that
expensive???"

/Janne

-- 
Janne G:son Berg, d3berg@...   http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3berg
       Penetrate me like our dog                   Elbrev \ufffdr snabba djur

Re: machinedrum price : 1100?!?!

2001-02-27 by krupir@hotmail.com

That was a pretty stupid message. I'm sure the guys do what they can
to get the lowest price. They know they won't sell it if it's too
expensive. That kind of things happen to a lot of music instrument
companies, though I'm sure they all do what they can (when they're on
such a little level as Elektron is, a real local company). If it's the
way it can be, well, go buy all the other stuff that I'm sure sure you
need much more than a Machine Drum. The MD will be just another drum
machine in the field. Maybe much better than any available, but still
a drum machine. As far as need is concerned, I guess a lot of us use
their sampler as a drum machine. In that case, no one needs a drum
machine, still, some of us will spend a little less than 1000 bucks on
a 309, because it's just fun. And cool, and well, mostly, they had the
money to buy it. And some of us will spend the same price on a Machine
Drum if it's worth it. More if it's worth it, and mostly if they have
the money.
Elektron make the machine the way they want and can, not especially
for you. Go get a Korg if you like them, I think they suck. Except for
the 808, which is too old as it is expensive and I've got it all
sampled well anyway, and rebirth is so good, there's no drum machine I
like on the market. I hope Machine Drum will be the one because I'd
LOOOOVE to have a drum machine although I don't really need one (but
what does one need in life anyway ???), and for the moment, I have a
little bucks I saved for the occasion. But well, the MD might be too
expensive, or maybe it will just suck. Well, as you said it yourself
and as it was said before :
you don't need the Machine Drum, so let it be and wait and see. Don't
get hooked to rumors.
>
> 1100??! SHA! sorry elektron...u can fly solo on this one. thats a
rediculous
> price for a box man. even if its offering all that stuff.....still,
i could
> buy almost 4 tribes for that. hell..get myself a microwave XTR for
that. I'm
> sorry, but the machinedrum is side gear...like the sid. its not
something u
> NEED. shit...for that, u can get a 303 (i know..u need one like a
hole in ur
> head...personally, i'd curcuit bend one), or 909, or 808.
>
> and especially, comming from a 17year old (experienced electronic
musician
> here), That price is plain unfair! Its hard enough pulling bux
together to
> get nessisary gear ( i do work, and sale fine art ).
>
> if u want some serious market status on the machinedrum, i suggest
greatly
> lowering that price.....like about half.  find a way to produce it
cheaper,
> or what ever ( Not FIZMO cheap ....thats just irresponsible). But
bring it
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> down man...... I've been psyked about this thing for close to 5 or 6
> months...and this is just down right dissapointing.
>
> out
> -sean
> >
> > >weve heard $1100  u.s.
> > >ouch!
> > >
> > >Sean Welch wrote:
> > >
> > > > ok....but I do need to know something...what is the expected USD
> >PRICE?
> > > > I'm sure everyone else is wondering this to...SO HOOK US UP!
> > > > -sean
> > > >
>
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Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-02-28 by Daniel Hansson

First, about the sound example I posted - please allow everyone to have
their own opinion. Everyone must not have the same idea if it's good or
not. I did not post it to be praised for it being exactly what everyone
was looking for. I wanted some reactions from the people who were looking
for a harder bassdrum-sound. Specifying what they were looking for in a
bassdrum. Just to form a picture.

Second, you have to understand that we do not try to please everyone with
our products. That's the job of Roland and Yamaha. The result is often
uninspiring to me. We try to do uncompromised things that are really cool
in some aspects, but probably won't appeal to everyone. That is what I
think adds most to the music instrument market, and we think is the most
rewarding to develop. Look at what we state to do: "Our aim is to pioneer
the development of electronic music instruments by creating innovative,
user friendly and magic sound sources." It doesn't say "we want to do the
phattest emulation of todays big sounds".

Third, if you don't like the sound or the price or the interface or
neither - don't buy it! This whole MD-thing is a gamble of that our
view of what is cool agrees with at least some other people so we can
continue doing our thing.

Fourth, the estimated price is USD 1100 for the American market. What is
this "I could get a XTR, 909 or 303 for that price"? Sure you can, and if
you think that is better value - go for it. In the MD we have been serious
about drum synthesis. The MD is a synthesizer just as much as the
Microwave or Virus. Drummachines might usually be simple toys, but this
certainly isn't. We could have decided to set the goal lower (to ER-1
standards perhaps) and get a lower price. But we aimed higher and you'll
have to respect that. As a small synthesizer developer (smallest?) we can
never compete with price - so we go other ways.

As for the bassdrum demo, it was just a quick thing to get some responses.
Perhaps it was a bad idea as I didn't have the time to follow it up with
further examples, but I thought it was good to get some feedback. I'm
satisfied with the replies I've got and it will influence our plans for
MD-upgrades.

Take care,

Daniel Hansson, Elektron
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Sean Welch wrote:

> > >weve heard $1100  u.s.
> > >ouch!
> 
> 1100??! SHA! sorry elektron...u can fly solo on this one. thats a rediculous 
> price for a box man. even if its offering all that stuff.....still, i could 
> buy almost 4 tribes for that. hell..get myself a microwave XTR for that. I'm 
> sorry, but the machinedrum is side gear...like the sid. its not something u 
> NEED. shit...for that, u can get a 303 (i know..u need one like a hole in ur 
> head...personally, i'd curcuit bend one), or 909, or 808.
> 
> and especially, comming from a 17year old (experienced electronic musician 
> here), That price is plain unfair! Its hard enough pulling bux together to 
> get nessisary gear ( i do work, and sale fine art ).
> 
> if u want some serious market status on the machinedrum, i suggest greatly 
> lowering that price.....like about half.  find a way to produce it cheaper, 
> or what ever ( Not FIZMO cheap ....thats just irresponsible). But bring it 
> down man...... I've been psyked about this thing for close to 5 or 6
> months...and this is just down right dissapointing.
> 
> out
> -sean
> >
> > >weve heard $1100  u.s.
> > >ouch!
> > >
> > >Sean Welch wrote:
> > >
> > > > ok....but I do need to know something...what is the expected USD 
> >PRICE?
> > > > I'm sure everyone else is wondering this to...SO HOOK US UP!
> > > > -sean
> > > >
> 
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Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-02-28 by biomecha@bellatlantic.net

Daniel,

Please don't second guess yourself.  I (and I'm sure everyone else on 
the list) really appreciate the samples you've given us and I'm 
looking forward to more samples and specs.  I'm looking for something 
that sounds different - something that stands out.  I don't want 
another 808/909 clone and I think you are heading in the right 
direction.

If at all possible, I'd love to see a larger picture of the front 
panel.

Thanks again.

Biomech


=============================================================
As for the bassdrum demo, it was just a quick thing to get some 
responses.  Perhaps it was a bad idea as I didn't have the time to 
follow it up with further examples, but I thought it was good to get 
some feedback. I'm satisfied with the replies I've got and it will 
influence our plans for MD-upgrades.

Take care,

Daniel Hansson, Elektron

Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-02-28 by krupir@hotmail.com

I've made my point already so all I can say is go ahead, make our
day... and yours too. But I came to ask a question that's really
teasing me and of course, I don't really expect an answer before next
month, but I've got to give it a try because it's really ... teasing me...
I've just dicovered the Stomper software thanks to an early tip in
this group, and discovered a whole new horizon as far as drum machine
and drum synthesis are concerned (I'm not a 100% newbie in the
electronic instruments field, but lower it by 10 and you'll get the
idea...) and got to wonder if that's the direction the MD was heading,
because if it is so, I'll pay the price for such an architecture. As
far as I know, that's a new way to see it. And if the MD is not that
but still as new as this thing is in my eyes, NOW I'm even more
salivating !
Work well. That's like a friendly advice although I don't know you and
stuff, but that's all I can say.

Virgile-

Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-02-28 by Daniel Hansson

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 biomecha@... wrote:

> If at all possible, I'd love to see a larger picture of the front 
> panel.

OK, just for you... :) md_demo/md_tilted_1024.jpg

Please, do not spread it...

Daniel

Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-02-28 by biomecha@bellatlantic.net

Thanks!  That will replace the Andromeda picture as my new wallpaper.

Biomech


--- In elektron-users@y..., Daniel Hansson <daniel@e...> wrote:
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> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 biomecha@b... wrote:
> 
> > If at all possible, I'd love to see a larger picture of the front 
> > panel.
> 
> OK, just for you... :) md_demo/md_tilted_1024.jpg
> 
> Please, do not spread it...
> 
> Daniel

Re: [elektron] machinedrum

2001-03-01 by James

"Our aim is to pioneer
> the development of electronic music instruments by creating innovative,
> user friendly and magic sound sources." It doesn't say "we want to do the
> phattest emulation of todays big sounds".
This sounds great.I'm interested in the machine drum because of this,.and I
guess i'll have to wait to find out . its not so much the sounds as what u
can do with them,if elektron have taken even a slightly less than linear
approach to making what is almost by definition a repetitive
machine(repetitive/machine same difference)then it could be a really
significant development.
jamie
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