Elektron Musical Instruments

Last night I was fooling with the CTR machines on my newly received 
upgraded MD UW (well worth the money and 1 month wait, btw).  I had 
never used the CTR machines before and I screwed up my kit completely.  
Is there any way to undo this havoc?  From what I've read on the list 
(and from my experience last night), it seems like the CTR machine 
changes are impossible to undo or readjust.  Is there any detailed 
documentation on what the CTR machines do and their purpose?  I've 
searched the list and the Elektron website.  The explanations seem a 
bit cryptic.  I'm a little leery of using these, given the carnage that 
they've caused already ("...don't touch the red button!").

Thanks in advance.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "elcastigo" <elcastigo@y...> 
wrote:
> Last night I was fooling with the CTR machines on my newly received 
> upgraded MD UW (well worth the money and 1 month wait, btw).  I had 
> never used the CTR machines before and I screwed up my kit 
completely.  
> Is there any way to undo this havoc?  From what I've read on the list 
> (and from my experience last night), it seems like the CTR machine 
> changes are impossible to undo or readjust.  Is there any detailed 
> documentation on what the CTR machines do and their purpose?  I've 
> searched the list and the Elektron website.  The explanations seem a 
> bit cryptic.  I'm a little leery of using these, given the carnage 
that 
> they've caused already ("...don't touch the red button!").
> 
> Thanks in advance.

Um, any ideas?

The CTR machines are great. Can i ask what CTR machine you have been using
is the 8 parameter one or is it the CTR All? I don't think there is much
need for the CTR ALL. You can achieve the same results by holding the
function button when turning one of the parameter knobs.

If you are finding your kit gets way too messed up when using the CTR
machine then just make sure you save your kit before you are about to use
the CTR machine. This can be quite good fun in fact. You can start mashing
up the sound of your pattern and then just load the kit back to its
original state.

T.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, elcastigo wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "elcastigo" <elcastigo@y...>
> wrote:
> > Last night I was fooling with the CTR machines on my newly received
> > upgraded MD UW (well worth the money and 1 month wait, btw).  I had
> > never used the CTR machines before and I screwed up my kit
> completely.
> > Is there any way to undo this havoc?  From what I've read on the list
> > (and from my experience last night), it seems like the CTR machine
> > changes are impossible to undo or readjust.  Is there any detailed
> > documentation on what the CTR machines do and their purpose?  I've
> > searched the list and the Elektron website.  The explanations seem a
> > bit cryptic.  I'm a little leery of using these, given the carnage
> that
> > they've caused already ("...don't touch the red button!").
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Um, any ideas?
>
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I'm wondering myself actually... I toyed around with the one that lets
you map multiple params to one screen of knobs.. that's pretty self
explanatory... but the one knob controls many params one seems to be a
bit lost on me... especially the way that you can't get it back to
what you had it to before... what's it's purpose???

On 7/7/05, elcastigo <elcastigo@...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "elcastigo" <elcastigo@y...>
> wrote:
> > Last night I was fooling with the CTR machines on my newly received
> > upgraded MD UW (well worth the money and 1 month wait, btw).  I had
> > never used the CTR machines before and I screwed up my kit
> completely.
> > Is there any way to undo this havoc?  From what I've read on the list
> > (and from my experience last night), it seems like the CTR machine
> > changes are impossible to undo or readjust.  Is there any detailed
> > documentation on what the CTR machines do and their purpose?  I've
> > searched the list and the Elektron website.  The explanations seem a
> > bit cryptic.  I'm a little leery of using these, given the carnage
> that
> > they've caused already ("...don't touch the red button!").
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> 
> Um, any ideas?
> 
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Chris Thomas wrote:
> I'm wondering myself actually... I toyed around with the one that lets
> you map multiple params to one screen of knobs.. that's pretty self
> explanatory... but the one knob controls many params one seems to be a
> bit lost on me... especially the way that you can't get it back to
> what you had it to before... what's it's purpose???


A semi-random like effect?  Happy mistakes.... found sounds you may 
otherwise have totally missed??

I s'pose.... but in context of using it with an existing pattern....
for example mapping all of the filter's to this sucker and giving it a
twist would undoubtedly wreck your entire sound since you can't set it
back...

Usable example beyond random sounds anyone? :)

On 7/7/05, Robert Krueger <rkr1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Chris Thomas wrote:
> > I'm wondering myself actually... I toyed around with the one that lets
> > you map multiple params to one screen of knobs.. that's pretty self
> > explanatory... but the one knob controls many params one seems to be a
> > bit lost on me... especially the way that you can't get it back to
> > what you had it to before... what's it's purpose???
> 
> 
> A semi-random like effect?  Happy mistakes.... found sounds you may
> otherwise have totally missed??
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@g...> 
wrote:
> I s'pose.... but in context of using it with an existing 
pattern....
> for example mapping all of the filter's to this sucker and giving 
it a
> twist would undoubtedly wreck your entire sound since you can't 
set it
> back...
> 
> Usable example beyond random sounds anyone? :)
> 

i guess you just have to switch patterns and back again, or reload 
kit.. if you copy the pattern first it might be quicker/easier to 
switch back to your settings. as for the usability, it *could* be 
good to assign a bunch of stuff to the knobs for a live sitch.. the 
sounds? well, it prolly depends how well u know the machine.. i 
havent delved into it tho.. UW tang

> On 7/7/05, Robert Krueger <rkr1@t...> wrote:
> > Chris Thomas wrote:
> > > I'm wondering myself actually... I toyed around with the one 
that lets
> > > you map multiple params to one screen of knobs.. that's pretty 
self
> > > explanatory... but the one knob controls many params one seems 
to be a
> > > bit lost on me... especially the way that you can't get it 
back to
> > > what you had it to before... what's it's purpose???
> > 
> > 
> > A semi-random like effect?  Happy mistakes.... found sounds you 
may

> > otherwise have totally missed??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

>  i guess you just have to switch patterns and back again, or reload
>  kit..

reloading kit will do it just fine.  there's no need to switch patterns;
that would suck as that's a huge change and isn't seamless at all.

although it will use up the allotment of locks per pattern, when
sequencing with the CTR machine(s), use only parameter locks for a
cool, weird, temporary effect. temporary, to give the listener a taste
of the lunacy to come! mwoohaha! 

i guess if you wanted it to change over a longer period of time, do as
others have said, like reloading the kit.

Care to elaborate? I'm not quite sure I follow you...
Thanks :)

On 7/8/05, scutopus <scutopus@...> wrote:
> although it will use up the allotment of locks per pattern, when
> sequencing with the CTR machine(s), use only parameter locks for a
> cool, weird, temporary effect. temporary, to give the listener a taste
> of the lunacy to come! mwoohaha!
> 
> i guess if you wanted it to change over a longer period of time, do as
> others have said, like reloading the kit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

I was using the CTR All machine when things went awry.  I forgot 
about reloading the kit.  Thanks for the help...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Thomas McIvor <tm29@s...> 
wrote:
> The CTR machines are great. Can i ask what CTR machine you have 
been using
> is the 8 parameter one or is it the CTR All? I don't think there is 
much
> need for the CTR ALL. You can achieve the same results by holding 
the
> function button when turning one of the parameter knobs.
> 
> If you are finding your kit gets way too messed up when using the 
CTR
> machine then just make sure you save your kit before you are about 
to use
> the CTR machine. This can be quite good fun in fact. You can start 
mashing
> up the sound of your pattern and then just load the kit back to its
> original state.
> 
> T.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, elcastigo wrote:
> 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "elcastigo" 
<elcastigo@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Last night I was fooling with the CTR machines on my newly 
received
> > > upgraded MD UW (well worth the money and 1 month wait, btw).  I 
had
> > > never used the CTR machines before and I screwed up my kit
> > completely.
> > > Is there any way to undo this havoc?  From what I've read on 
the list
> > > (and from my experience last night), it seems like the CTR 
machine
> > > changes are impossible to undo or readjust.  Is there any 
detailed
> > > documentation on what the CTR machines do and their purpose?  
I've
> > > searched the list and the Elektron website.  The explanations 
seem a
> > > bit cryptic.  I'm a little leery of using these, given the 
carnage
> > that
> > > they've caused already ("...don't touch the red button!").
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Um, any ideas?
> >
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sorry! i was a little distracted when writing. while writing i
realized that the person was probably into using more than just a step
or two of CTR-ALL change in their sequence, and so the reloading of
the original kit (if the altered one was not saved) was more
appropriate. 

what i was proposing was, in hindsight, a creative device and not a
solution to his problem. with the CTR-ALL machine loaded into one of
the MD's tracks, by using parameter locks with the CTR could make a
few steps per pattern do some wild things, and return the kit to
normal. the whole "lunacy to come" thing came about while i was
thinking about using the CTR-ALL machine in the live setting. use the
CTR with parameter locks early on, and then as the set nears the end,
start tweaking the CTR without parameter locks to tweak the audience!
and you'll still have the original kit to reload should the
CTR-tweaked kit become too muddled for your taste.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@g...>
wrote:
> Care to elaborate? I'm not quite sure I follow you...
> Thanks :)
> 
> On 7/8/05, scutopus <scutopus@y...> wrote:
> > although it will use up the allotment of locks per pattern, when
> > sequencing with the CTR machine(s), use only parameter locks for a
> > cool, weird, temporary effect. temporary, to give the listener a
taste
> > of the lunacy to come! mwoohaha!
> > 
> > i guess if you wanted it to change over a longer period of time,
do as
> > others have said, like reloading the kit.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "scutopus" <scutopus@y...> 
wrote:
> sorry! i was a little distracted when writing. while writing i
> realized that the person was probably into using more than just a 
step
> or two of CTR-ALL change in their sequence, and so the reloading of
> the original kit (if the altered one was not saved) was more
> appropriate. 
> 
> what i was proposing was, in hindsight, a creative device and not a
> solution to his problem. with the CTR-ALL machine loaded into one 
of
> the MD's tracks, by using parameter locks with the CTR could make a
> few steps per pattern do some wild things, and return the kit to
> normal. 

sure, but if you have parameter locks then the kit will always 
change. you would have to copy pattern first without the locks, 
paste it to an adjacent pattern, switch patterns AND reload kit to 
get your original sounds. its relatively easy to just turn those 
steps off but then you lose your locks.


the whole "lunacy to come" thing came about while i was
> thinking about using the CTR-ALL machine in the live setting. use 
the
> CTR with parameter locks early on, and then as the set nears the 
end,
> start tweaking the CTR without parameter locks to tweak the 
audience!

mmm carefully!!

> and you'll still have the original kit to reload should the
> CTR-tweaked kit become too muddled for your taste.

yeah its great, i was playing with CTRALL last night doing exactly 
that. as long as you choose the parameter to tweak wisely, you can 
keep the groove or even totally morph it. subtle changes can sound 
really nice and then return to the orig kit. my only gripe is that 
its three button pushes to return it and when i got carried away an 
accidental press of the save kit button actually destroyed the 
original! guess im just clumsy..

it would be nice if there was a one button press to reload the 
current kit without having to enter edit kit page. what about 
switching to classic mode and back quickly or function+classic?

> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@g...>
> wrote:
> > Care to elaborate? I'm not quite sure I follow you...
> > Thanks :)
> > 
> > On 7/8/05, scutopus <scutopus@y...> wrote:
> > > although it will use up the allotment of locks per pattern, 
when
> > > sequencing with the CTR machine(s), use only parameter locks 
for a
> > > cool, weird, temporary effect. temporary, to give the listener 
a
> taste
> > > of the lunacy to come! mwoohaha!
> > > 
> > > i guess if you wanted it to change over a longer period of 
time,
> do as
> > > others have said, like reloading the kit.