Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

At what mix level and volume does a SIN machine clip for
you?

With the mixer volume one the sixth line and the track
volume at 76, some clipping's audible.  Distortion is
considerably more noticable, and nastier, at higher values
{even, say, 78}.

I'd like to know if this is typical behavior.  It's peaking
at about -15 on my audio interface, so I know it's in the
Mono's internal bus.

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Niall.
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my experience as been that the MM will clip when using all 6 parts routed to stereo 
outputs as if there's just too much for it to sum. as if it just can't crunch the numbers or 
something.. but when routed to individual outs i can push the volume as high as i need.

It really depends on the sound though.  sometimes basses are harder to deal with.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Niall Munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> At what mix level and volume does a SIN machine clip for
> you?
> 
> With the mixer volume one the sixth line and the track
> volume at 76, some clipping's audible.  Distortion is
> considerably more noticable, and nastier, at higher values
> {even, say, 78}.
> 
> I'd like to know if this is typical behavior.  It's peaking
> at about -15 on my audio interface, so I know it's in the
> Mono's internal bus.
> 
> -- 
> Yours,
> Niall.
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>

On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 05:59:08AM -0000, dayjob111 wrote:
> my experience as been that the MM will clip when using all 6 parts routed to stereo 
> outputs as if there's just too much for it to sum. as if it just can't crunch the numbers or 
> something.. but when routed to individual outs i can push the volume as high as i need.
> 
> It really depends on the sound though.  sometimes basses are harder to deal with.



Yes, but I'm talking about a single machine, and you can
mute every other track.  I'd appreciate it if you'd try it,
please.



> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Niall Munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > At what mix level and volume does a SIN machine clip for
> > you?
> > 
> > With the mixer volume one the sixth line and the track
> > volume at 76, some clipping's audible.  Distortion is
> > considerably more noticable, and nastier, at higher values
> > {even, say, 78}.
> > 
> > I'd like to know if this is typical behavior.  It's peaking
> > at about -15 on my audio interface, so I know it's in the
> > Mono's internal bus.


-- 
Yours,
Niall.
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> > > With the mixer volume one the sixth line and the track
> > > volume at 76, some clipping's audible.  Distortion is
> > > considerably more noticable, and nastier, at higher values
> > > {even, say, 78}.
> > > 
> > > I'd like to know if this is typical behavior.  It's peaking
> > > at about -15 on my audio interface, so I know it's in the
> > > Mono's internal bus.

I don't have my MnM here, but I guess this is issue of adding or
decreasing the headroom, which I find very clever design on MnM. It is
explained pretty good in the manual.

I guess you are asking, if it should hit precisely to -0dB VOL at 127.
I don't know, but you can affact this with DIST parameter. Also
depends if you have prosessed your sin-wave with track effects (I
guess thats why we have adjustable headroom and some free headroom by
default).

-toni

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:44:28AM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
> 
> I guess you are asking, if it should hit precisely to -0dB VOL at 127.

No, I'm asking for the volume at which a single, dry SIN machine
distorts, thanks.

Numbers from someone, anyone, would be appreciated.

-- 
Yours,
Niall.
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Ok, ok... off my lazy ass.

I notice "distortion" on the generic sin machine above about 90 with the
main level at tick number six, but only on the attack of the waveform.  Turn
the envelope release up to 127 so the note never ceases, and I only notice
distortion at high values above 120 or so - and it's pretty faint.

The distortion comes during the AD stage - slow down A and D, and you can
hear the distortion come and go, and this happens every time you trigger a
note, but fades away once you get to about the release stage of the
envelope.

My guess is that the level of the AD stage is higher than that of the
release stage kind of like it is in a traditional ADSR envelope.  Perhaps
someone at elektron forgot to normalize the waveform amplitude taking this
additional level into account for the sin synth?

just keep the volume low if you want smoooth, harmonic free sines.
-gerald



On 5/9/07, Niall Munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
>
>   On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:44:28AM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
> >
> > I guess you are asking, if it should hit precisely to -0dB VOL at 127.
>
> No, I'm asking for the volume at which a single, dry SIN machine
> distorts, thanks.
>
> Numbers from someone, anyone, would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Yours,
> Niall.
> .. . . . . . . . . .
> Aleph Null. A Simple Insinuation Around Silence.
> http://aleph-null.net
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> 
>


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