Elektron Musical Instruments

for those of you who attended the Elektron party last night, thanks !!!!
It was definitely the party of the year!

erase

(i was not there :(

did elektron some liveact or did they have some new equipment there.. 
anything about elektron? i am just wandering what these guys are 
doing with homemade stuff? or did they just party and get drunken?

-p


--- In elektron-users@y..., "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> for those of you who attended the Elektron party last night, 
thanks !!!!

> It was definitely the party of the year!
> 
> erase

The Elektron guys are quite young (I\ufffdd say mid or end twenty).
They were so busy with organizing the party that they didn\ufffdt play themselves
I guess.
I don\ufffdt even know if they have musical projects. Ask them...

I heard some rumours about a new machine they are working on.
We (Rob Acid and me) tryed to get some more info.
But even at the end of the party where everybody had some beers inside
they didn\ufffdt say a word :)

Flo






-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
Von: phonophobie [mailto:sidstation@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2002 17:58
An: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [elektron] Re: party


(i was not there :(

did elektron some liveact or did they have some new equipment there..
anything about elektron? i am just wandering what these guys are
doing with homemade stuff? or did they just party and get drunken?

-p


--- In elektron-users@y..., "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> for those of you who attended the Elektron party last night,
thanks !!!!
> It was definitely the party of the year!
>
> erase





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I'VE GOT SOME INFO!!!! :-))))

One of the members of the Swedish band Pluxus told me this: A drunken 
Elektron member once mentioned the instrument and referred to it as a 
sampler. I'm NOT sure about the correctness of this information, it 
is only a rumour. Anyhow, we confronted Henrik of Elektron with this, 
but he only said "you shouldn't listen to a drunken man!" What he DID 
say, however, is that they are building a prototype (or have built it 
already), and that it is planned for release in the spring! He also 
said that they've made a promise not to give away any info about the 
instrument. But, as with the Machinedrum, delays might occur.... so 
don't start sending pissed off e-mails to Elektron if the instrument 
isn't appearing in the early spring! :)

Regards
Nils


--- In elektron-users@y..., "splank" <splank@z...> wrote:
> 
> The Elektron guys are quite young (I´d say mid or end twenty).
> They were so busy with organizing the party that they didn´t play 
themselves
> I guess.
> I don´t even know if they have musical projects. Ask them...
> 
> I heard some rumours about a new machine they are working on.
> We (Rob Acid and me) tryed to get some more info.
> But even at the end of the party where everybody had some beers 
inside
> they didn´t say a word :)
> 
> Flo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: phonophobie [mailto:sidstation@h...]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2002 17:58
> An: elektron-users@y...
> Betreff: [elektron] Re: party
> 
> 
> (i was not there :(
> 
> did elektron some liveact or did they have some new equipment 
there..
> anything about elektron? i am just wandering what these guys are
> doing with homemade stuff? or did they just party and get drunken?
> 
> -p
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@y..., "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> > for those of you who attended the Elektron party last night,
> thanks !!!!
> > It was definitely the party of the year!
> >
> > erase
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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A drunken
> Elektron member once mentioned the instrument and referred to it as a
> sampler

hmm, that would fit in Electron's policy to only release instruments that seem rather anachronistic (I mean, with all the softsamplers and stuff). Plus, one would be able to compose a complete album or live set on 3 different Electron instruments...

cheers,

Gert

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Well, here we go...
Well, one elektron guy said: "it\ufffds something like a synthesizer"
But this means nothing. It could be also a Sampler or whatever.
I know Elektron wouldn\ufffdt just make a sampler or synth.
Because then the MD would just be a Drum Machine.

And Daniel Hansson said they want to have a prototype ready for
the Musikmesse in Frankfurt, which is in spring.


Flo




-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
Von: belplascaprod [mailto:nilsodegaard@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2002 20:37
An: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [elektron] Re: party I'VE GOT INFO!!!!!


I'VE GOT SOME INFO!!!! :-))))

One of the members of the Swedish band Pluxus told me this: A drunken
Elektron member once mentioned the instrument and referred to it as a
sampler. I'm NOT sure about the correctness of this information, it
is only a rumour. Anyhow, we confronted Henrik of Elektron with this,
but he only said "you shouldn't listen to a drunken man!" What he DID
say, however, is that they are building a prototype (or have built it
already), and that it is planned for release in the spring! He also
said that they've made a promise not to give away any info about the
instrument. But, as with the Machinedrum, delays might occur.... so
don't start sending pissed off e-mails to Elektron if the instrument
isn't appearing in the early spring! :)

Regards
Nils


--- In elektron-users@y..., "splank" <splank@z...> wrote:
>
> The Elektron guys are quite young (I\ufffdd say mid or end twenty).
> They were so busy with organizing the party that they didn\ufffdt play
themselves
> I guess.
> I don\ufffdt even know if they have musical projects. Ask them...
>
> I heard some rumours about a new machine they are working on.
> We (Rob Acid and me) tryed to get some more info.
> But even at the end of the party where everybody had some beers
inside
> they didn\ufffdt say a word :)
>
> Flo
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: phonophobie [mailto:sidstation@h...]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2002 17:58
> An: elektron-users@y...
> Betreff: [elektron] Re: party
>
>
> (i was not there :(
>
> did elektron some liveact or did they have some new equipment
there..
> anything about elektron? i am just wandering what these guys are
> doing with homemade stuff? or did they just party and get drunken?
>
> -p
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@y..., "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> > for those of you who attended the Elektron party last night,
> thanks !!!!
> > It was definitely the party of the year!
> >
> > erase
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





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--- In elektron-users@y..., "belplascaprod" <nilsodegaard@h...> wrote:

> already), and that it is planned for release in the spring! He also 
> said that they've made a promise not to give away any info about 

  Did they say if they need any alpha testers? :)

Wonder if it has anything to do with that 'lab' section on their web site
that has never been opened

if it is indeed to be a sampler, i hope it has support from recycle 
as well as other computer editing programs....

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Gert van Santen" <g.vansanten@c...> 
wrote:
> A drunken
> > Elektron member once mentioned the instrument and referred to it 
as a
> > sampler

If Elektron is making a sampler, I've got a list of features that would make it the 
ultimate sampler:

-retrigger (like on Machinedrum's E12 drums)
-reverse
-pitch shift
-time stretch
-ranges of notes can trigger the sample, with different parameter locks
-all parameters can be controller through CC messages
-parameter locks for each note are programable
-can save "kits" where note ranges / parameter locks are uniquely set
-multiple 1/4" outputs (assignable routings)
-filters
-FX (send amounts are parameters for each note)
	-reverb
	-compressor
	-isolated delay for each individual output 
	(can accomplish stereo delay on master outs)
	-flanger/phaser/chorus
	-ring modulator
-velocity controls volume of sample
-pan parameter (affects master out)
-ADSR amp envelopes
-assignable envelopes (can also affect FX parameters)
-LFOs (can also affect FX parameters)
-note ranges for a particular sample can be set and stored in a kit
-scrub trimming of a sample with graphical display and adjustable scrub 
length
-volume chopping with programmable rhythm loops (no pops/clicks)
-hard disk OR cdrw drive stores all samples
-DDR RAM stores samples currently being used (according to kit)
-ability to cut, copy, paste parts of a sample (using scrub to mark points)
-ability to create a new sample by pasting parts of others together
-ability to merge two samples into one (bounce two tracks, each with their own 
parameter settings, into one track) [eg. 2 snare drums]
-USB port to export samples to a computer
-XOX step sequencer (similar to machinedrum)
-blue on black background active (glowing) display with as many pixels as 
machinedrum's display

I think that the "secret" project elektron refuses to talk about is 
porting SAM the "Semi Automatic Mouth" from the original C64 machine 
code over to SIDStation.  They liscensed it from SoftVoice Inc.  This 
program was essential - the best voice synthesizer at the time.  I 
used to crank-call people using it.  

If elektron really was going to add SAM to the sidstation, I'd buy 
one.  As it stands, I'll just have to be happy with quadrasid and my 
MD :)
-gerald

--- In elektron-users@y..., "sidstationownsyou" 
<sidstationownsyou@h...> wrote:
> If Elektron is making a sampler, I've got a list of features that 
would make it the

I'd like it to be something like the MPC...

An innovative sampler engine and a full sequencer, with parameter locks 
recordable in the whole song, not only in patterns (will we ever see 
this in the MD?)

At least 2 midi in/out

And keep it easy to use!

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, oldmanfury wrote:

> I think that the "secret" project elektron refuses to talk about is 
> porting SAM the "Semi Automatic Mouth" from the original C64 machine 
> code over to SIDStation.  They liscensed it from SoftVoice Inc.  This 
> program was essential - the best voice synthesizer at the time.  I 
> used to crank-call people using it.  

Heh heh, I guess I'm not the only one that did that.  I had a 1660 modem 
hooked to my C64--that was the one that had an audio splitter cable, since 
it supported touch tone dialing by using the C64's SID to generate the 
tones. :)  I wrote a little program that generated the appropriate tones 
when you pressed the relevant keys (0-9, #, *), had the function keys 
mapped to text strings that'd be sent to SAM (and could be redefined on 
the fly), and you could always hit Return and type whatever you want to 
be output through SAM.  Pretty silly, really, but at the time I had fun 
with it, having entire phone conversations just tapping function keys and 
typing away.

SAM stood for "Software Automated Mouth" actually, and I believe it was 
distributed by Don't Ask Software.  To this day I've never really heard 
any significant advances in voice synthesis, or at least text-to-speech.  
SAM had some pretty impressive text-to-speech capabilities considering its 
low memory footprint (maybe 12-18K?  I can't recall...).

> If elektron really was going to add SAM to the sidstation, I'd buy 
> one.  As it stands, I'll just have to be happy with quadrasid and my 
> MD :)
> -gerald

Maybe they'll include it in their mythical SAMpler.  :)  That'd seriously 
be a good idea for a generator to bundle with.  I like the idea of an 
Elektron sampler, but I'd be really keen on it if you could do all sorts 
of whacky stuff without ever having to hook up an external input.  
Basically, I'll take the feature list appearing in an earlier message, 
plus, oh, something on par with a NORD modular plus SAM for internal 
sample generation. :)

-- 
R. Cliff Young <nukenin@...> /\/ Chaos Never Died
	http://www.roguebard.com/

> with parameter locks 
> recordable in the whole song, not only in patterns
> (will we ever see 
> this in the MD?)

Yeah!!! Really!!!!





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Wow! That SAM thing sounds cool!  Are there any examples on the internet where I can hear the voice of SAM? I'm curious how it differs from other text-speech software.
Maybe someone could point me to a .C64 program to run it on my emu!?!?
-Chris

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: R. Cliff Young 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Re: Sampler / SAM


  On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, oldmanfury wrote:

  > I think that the "secret" project elektron refuses to talk about is 
  > porting SAM the "Semi Automatic Mouth" from the original C64 machine 
  > code over to SIDStation.  They liscensed it from SoftVoice Inc.  This 
  > program was essential - the best voice synthesizer at the time.  I 
  > used to crank-call people using it.  

  Heh heh, I guess I'm not the only one that did that.  I had a 1660 modem 
  hooked to my C64--that was the one that had an audio splitter cable, since 
  it supported touch tone dialing by using the C64's SID to generate the 
  tones. :)  I wrote a little program that generated the appropriate tones 
  when you pressed the relevant keys (0-9, #, *), had the function keys 
  mapped to text strings that'd be sent to SAM (and could be redefined on 
  the fly), and you could always hit Return and type whatever you want to 
  be output through SAM.  Pretty silly, really, but at the time I had fun 
  with it, having entire phone conversations just tapping function keys and 
  typing away.

  SAM stood for "Software Automated Mouth" actually, and I believe it was 
  distributed by Don't Ask Software.  To this day I've never really heard 
  any significant advances in voice synthesis, or at least text-to-speech.  
  SAM had some pretty impressive text-to-speech capabilities considering its 
  low memory footprint (maybe 12-18K?  I can't recall...).

  > If elektron really was going to add SAM to the sidstation, I'd buy 
  > one.  As it stands, I'll just have to be happy with quadrasid and my 
  > MD :)
  > -gerald

  Maybe they'll include it in their mythical SAMpler.  :)  That'd seriously 
  be a good idea for a generator to bundle with.  I like the idea of an 
  Elektron sampler, but I'd be really keen on it if you could do all sorts 
  of whacky stuff without ever having to hook up an external input.  
  Basically, I'll take the feature list appearing in an earlier message, 
  plus, oh, something on par with a NORD modular plus SAM for internal 
  sample generation. :)

  -- 
  R. Cliff Young <nukenin@...> /\/ Chaos Never Died
        http://www.roguebard.com/



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>   SAM stood for "Software Automated Mouth" actually, and I believe 
it was 
>   distributed by Don't Ask Software.  To this day I've never really 
heard 
>   any significant advances in voice synthesis, or at least text-to-
speech.  

You should search for anything called "experimental phonetics".  
There is alot of study in speach and it's synthesis.  I've never 
heard of SAM.  As I linguist I don't care for text to speach.  
Although this is good for practical reasons (the blind), writing is 
independant of the production of language.  I would prefer a program 
that allows me to make the different basic speech elements such as 
the consonanats or vowels.  Something that emulates the mouth and 
articulation, etc.  This would be a great machine to add to the MD.  
Could call it a Vox-Box.  It could at least make it sound like some 
vowels.  I'm sure we could make the consonants with the current 
machines.    

But there is that program called SayIt.  You can get it from that 
DirectX site.  You type it in the program and it makes a voice.  You 
can save to a wave file with it.

heh, i had this Optimus Prime thing where a straw thing came out of the 
back of him and when you put the straw in your mouth and mouthed words 
over it you would sound like a transformer. I wish i could find it : (


On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 03:14 AM, endlessnessisticman wrote:

>>   SAM stood for "Software Automated Mouth" actually, and I believe
> it was
>>   distributed by Don't Ask Software.  To this day I've never really
> heard
>>   any significant advances in voice synthesis, or at least text-to-
> speech.
>
> You should search for anything called "experimental phonetics".
> There is alot of study in speach and it's synthesis.  I've never
> heard of SAM.  As I linguist I don't care for text to speach.
> Although this is good for practical reasons (the blind), writing is
> independant of the production of language.  I would prefer a program
> that allows me to make the different basic speech elements such as
> the consonanats or vowels.  Something that emulates the mouth and
> articulation, etc.  This would be a great machine to add to the MD.
> Could call it a Vox-Box.  It could at least make it sound like some
> vowels.  I'm sure we could make the consonants with the current
> machines.
>
> But there is that program called SayIt.  You can get it from that
> DirectX site.  You type it in the program and it makes a voice.  You
> can save to a wave file with it.
>
>
>
>
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I miss that thing.


In a message dated 11/19/02 2:53:02 PM, evildead@... writes:

<< heh, i had this Optimus Prime thing where a straw thing came out of the 
back of him and when you put the straw in your mouth and mouthed words 
over it you would sound like a transformer. I wish i could find it : (
 >>

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, endlessnessisticman wrote:

> You should search for anything called "experimental phonetics".  
> There is alot of study in speach and it's synthesis.  I've never 
> heard of SAM.  As I linguist I don't care for text to speach.  
[...]

Most speech synthesis software, SAM included, actually use phonemes to
represent the various speech sounds, perhaps with an additional set of
symbols to represent inflection or other variance.  The text-to-speech
algorithms convert English text (or whichever language texts are
supported) to a suitable phonetic/inflective equivalent.

I am impressed to this day by the text-to-speech algorithms SAM used, 
since they provided fairly good results for a really low memory footprint.  
I believe you also had the option of loading SAM without the TTS engine, 
in which case you had to provide the phonemes directly.

If you wanted to really micromanage pronunciation, or you were trying to 
deliver certain effects like "singing", you really wanted to bypass the 
TTS engine and deal directly with SAM via phonemes etc anyway.

SAM wasn't limited to the C=64, either--I believe it existed for at least 
the "big 3" 8-bit platforms (Apple ][, Atari 400/800, C=64) and perhaps 
others as well.

> But there is that program called SayIt.  You can get it from that 
> DirectX site.  You type it in the program and it makes a voice.  You 
> can save to a wave file with it.

You're referring to AnalogX, actually (www.analogx.com).  Some nifty tools 
to be found there.

-- 
R. Cliff Young <nukenin@...> /\/ Chaos Never Died
	http://www.roguebard.com/

> SAM stood for "Software Automated Mouth" actually, and I believe it was 
> distributed by Don't Ask Software.  To this day I've never really heard 
> any significant advances in voice synthesis, or at least text-to-speech.  

yes, isn't that weird?  I would expect perhaps a small improvement,
but nada.  Perhaps sample playback has superceded it or something?
I dunno.  oh well :)

p.s.  if you use "Say it"  from analogx, it's not exactly
obvious, but the pitch bar is in Hz.  So, if you know the freq's
of notes, you can do some fun things, like make tuned choruses 
chant your phrases, or just make weird sounds and pitch them accurately.

p.p.s.  if you use say it from analogx, what the *HELL* is that
"Cascad" bar all about?  all it does is f@#U*$@#$ck up my sound
consdierably.

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