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Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-11 by Gert van Santen

Tony wrote:
> Ok,
<big snip>

Hey Tony, I didn't know you were on this list too :) Nice seeing you here.

As to your question. I also have the soft version of the rack attack, and I
don't know why, but I never could work efficiently with it, nor am I able to
create *really* great sounds. With the MD it's so much easier. Actually I
haven't had the time to use the MD as a controller yet, but I've already
heard from several people that it's possible.

cheers,

Gert

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by Tony

Actually, I can blame YOU for bringing me here...All the talk on the 
musicbar about the MD has got my gear-lust up again.  Its such a sexy 
looking little beast, and it would sit perfectly on that large empty 
spot on my virus kc :)

I like the soft-attack.  I fiddle with it during my long (1 1/2 hour) 
train rides to/from downtown everyday.  I come up with lots of wierd 
little squips and squabs and some very interesting sounding loops.  I 
load them into my sampler and tweek them out futher...but im missing 
the tactile feel of a drum machine!.  I loved the electribe 
sequencer, and HATED its sound engine.  Im glad the MD exists!  I 
just wish I could find one stateside to play with..

Thanks!

Tony  

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Gert van Santen" <g.vansanten@c...> 
wrote:
> Tony wrote:
> > Ok,
> <big snip>
> 
> Hey Tony, I didn't know you were on this list too :) Nice seeing 
you here.
> 
> As to your question. I also have the soft version of the rack 
attack, and I
> don't know why, but I never could work efficiently with it, nor am 
I able to
> create *really* great sounds. With the MD it's so much easier. 
Actually I
> haven't had the time to use the MD as a controller yet, but I've 
already
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> heard from several people that it's possible.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Gert

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by Gert van Santen

Tony wrote:
> Actually, I can blame YOU for bringing me here...

I thought that might have been the reason :-)

All the talk on the
> musicbar about the MD has got my gear-lust up again.  Its such a sexy
> looking little beast, and it would sit perfectly on that large empty
> spot on my virus kc :)

That's indeed a great combination.

> I like the soft-attack.  I fiddle with it during my long (1 1/2 hour)
> train rides to/from downtown everyday.  I come up with lots of wierd
> little squips and squabs and some very interesting sounding loops.

I agree, that's where the rackattack excels. But I was always looking for
simple, fat loops (kick, hat, 1 percussion instrument), and I just wasn't
able to get the sounds I wanted. With the machinedrum, though, I get exactly
what I want in the "fat department", while the rackattack loops can be great
when you just include them in the MD basic loops as percussion loops.
I
> load them into my sampler and tweek them out futher...but im missing
> the tactile feel of a drum machine!.  I loved the electribe
> sequencer, and HATED its sound engine.

Exactly. The sequencer is extremly simple to get to grips with, but the
sound engine is way to simple - and it has only 1 stereo out. Nevertheless I
was able to do some really cool loops with the ER1. And I still love the
ES1.

Im glad the MD exists!  I
> just wish I could find one stateside to play with..

Maybe you should ask on the music bar?

Cheers,

Gert

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by endlessnessisticman

"it would sit perfectly on that large empty 
 spot on my virus kc :)"

Sounds like a great idea.  I use it with my Indigo2.  Actually that's 
all I use now MD and Indigo.  Can even use the multi mode too.  But 
it's harder to record live to the md compared to the mpc.  But, I 
haven't really tried it yet on the md.  I should asks questions about 
it but I always forget and I have too much fun anyways.

 "I like the soft-attack.  I fiddle with it during my long (1 1/2 
hour) 
 train rides to/from downtown everyday.  I come up with lots of wierd 
 little squips and squabs and some very interesting sounding loops."  

Couldn't really do it unless you had a power supply and a carrying 
case.  But you also may appear to be a terrorist or something, hands 
in a dodgy silvercase tweaking some knobs to set the time...  Anyone 
know a good carrying case for this thing?  
 
 "just wish I could find one stateside to play with.."

Well you can only order them and I think they just started to 
distibute in a few countries.  But as for me I was dreaming about it 
and could never get it off my mind and couldn't help it anymore after 
a year of wanting the thing and just ordered it.  You wouldn't be 
dissappointed if you got it on a whim.  Just remember you're gonna 
have to pay something like a 60$ duty on it.  I had to pay 200$ in 
Korea.  You would have to find it used somewhere to try it.  And 
there have only been about 600 sold I believe so this may be 
difficult.

As far as that pad octigon thing.  I'm sure you can trigger the md 
with it.  You can map the md to your liking.  I'm not sure of the 
velocity though.

RE: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by RENGA Moreno

> Tony wrote:
> > Ok,
> <big snip>
>
> Hey Tony, I didn't know you were on this list too :) Nice seeing you here.

> As to your question. I also have the soft version of the rack attack, and
I
> don't know why, but I never could work efficiently with it, nor am I able
to
> create *really* great sounds. With the MD it's so much easier.
> cheers,
> Gert

The RackAttack has totally another way of programming...
More unconvenient but more "synthesis" like,
with lot's of sources and destinations possiblities and so more
possibilities than the TRX/EFM machines...
And that's why you said more crazy sounds.
But limited to Electro type sounds and the MD might be more versatile...

Moreno

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by Biomech

>> it would sit perfectly on that large empty spot on my virus kc :)

Ack!  You're killing me.  I never thought of that.  Now I HAVE to get 
a Machinedrum for my KC.

>> I just wish I could find one stateside to play with..

Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe they have a 30 day, 
no questions asked, return policy.  You might want to check with them.

http://www.novamusik.com/

Biomech

RE: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by Rhen, Kris

I believe they don't carry Elektron any longer, and E has gone to purely
direct sales.  The Novamusik link goes nowhere.
KRIS
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> -----Original Message-----
> Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe they have a 30 day, 
> no questions asked, return policy.  You might want to check with them.
> 
> http://www.novamusik.com/

RE: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack vs. Element P

2002-11-12 by Catilyne

At 11:55 AM 11/12/2002 +0100, RENGA Moreno wrote:
> > Gert wrote:
> >
> > As to your question. I also have the soft version of the rack attack, and I
> > don't know why, but I never could work efficiently with it, nor am I 
> able to
> > create *really* great sounds. With the MD it's so much easier.
>
>The RackAttack has totally another way of programming...
>More unconvenient but more "synthesis" like,
>with lot's of sources and destinations possiblities and so more
>possibilities than the TRX/EFM machines...

On a related note, has anybody gotten a chance to really play around with 
LinPlug's Element P percussion VSTi?  I'm curious how people think the 
sounds it's capable of producing compare against Attack (soft or otherwise) 
and the MD.

         -c-

_____
"i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back"
                                                 -recoil

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-12 by Flavio Alvarez

> Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe
> they have a 30 day, 
> no questions asked, return policy.  

but if you DO return it I have a question;
what's wrong with you?
Actually, I bought my MD from Novamusik. You cannot
find nicer people (plus the site is full of cool toys)
> 


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RE: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-13 by Eric Peterson

aftermarket on these puppies is pretty solid...

said another way, you could probably buy one, play with it for a
few weeks, and [worst case] resell it at a modest loss. MD honors
the full 1 yr. warranty even accross ownership changes, which is
a big selling point. The MD seems to hold it's value on eBay and
via synthspot classifieds.

I bought mine gently used from someone in this exact situation...

[little red Jimmeny Cricket of temptation] -E.

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: > -----Original Message-----
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: > http://www.novamusik.com/
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Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by teenwoolph

Novamusik does sell them and the sidstation too.   They have a 10 day 
money back return policy.  I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from 
them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm 
gonna get one from elekton directly.

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Biomech" <biomecha@b...> wrote:
> >> it would sit perfectly on that large empty spot on my virus kc :)
> 
> Ack!  You're killing me.  I never thought of that.  Now I HAVE to 
get 
> a Machinedrum for my KC.
> 
> >> I just wish I could find one stateside to play with..
> 
> Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe they have a 30 day, 
> no questions asked, return policy.  You might want to check with 
them.
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> 
> http://www.novamusik.com/
> 
> Bi

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by Simon

>I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
>them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
>gonna get one from elekton directly.

Was there an early OS problem that caused crashed when receiving MIDI clock?

Maybe it just needed an OS upgrade.

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by Gene Schwartz

I called them last week about the machinedrum, and they told me that the
DON'T carry it, and that you have to order it direct from elektron.
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From: "teenwoolph" <teenwoolph@...>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:48:47 -0000
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack


Novamusik does sell them and the sidstation too.   They have a 10 day
money back return policy.  I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
gonna get one from elekton directly.

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Biomech" <biomecha@b...> wrote:
> >> it would sit perfectly on that large empty spot on my virus kc :)
> 
> Ack!  You're killing me.  I never thought of that.  Now I HAVE to
get 
> a Machinedrum for my KC.
> 
> >> I just wish I could find one stateside to play with..
> 
> Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe they have a 30 day,
> no questions asked, return policy.  You might want to check with
them.
> 
> http://www.novamusik.com/
> 
> Bi


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Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by teenwoolph@aol.com

That's probably best anyway 'cos if you had a problem with it you'd have to 
send it back to Novamusik first and they'd send it to Elektron.  Too much 
trouble if you ask me.
In a message dated 11/14/02 9:39:26 AM, implode7@... writes:

<< I called them last week about the machinedrum, and they told me that the
DON'T carry it, and that you have to order it direct from elektron.
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:48:47 -0000
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack


Novamusik does sell them and the sidstation too.   They have a 10 day
money back return policy.  I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
gonna get one from elekton directly.

--- In elektron-users@y..., "Biomech" <biomecha@b...> wrote:
> >> it would sit perfectly on that large empty spot on my virus kc :)
> 
> Ack!  You're killing me.  I never thought of that.  Now I HAVE to
get 
> a Machinedrum for my KC.
> 
> >> I just wish I could find one stateside to play with..
> 
> Nova Musik carries the Machinedrum and I believe they have a 30 day,
> no questions asked, return policy.  You might want to check with
them.
> 
> http://www.novamusik.com/
> 
> Bi


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Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by teenwoolph@aol.com

I believe it was os 1.1 r34.  Is that the older one?
It crashed for almost 5 hours, everytime i'd try to turn it on.  I'd try to 
get to the system menu to reset the flash ram but it would crash and go 
haywire.  So i just sent it back.  I never had a single crash with my MD so i 
was bugged out.

In a message dated 11/14/02 4:07:19 AM, simon@... writes:

<< >I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
>them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
>gonna get one from elekton directly.

Was there an early OS problem that caused crashed when receiving MIDI clock?

Maybe it just needed an OS upgrade.

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

 

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Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by Simon

I had a similar problem with my Sid, couldn't use it at all, kept 
freezing, tried to flash a new OS but if froze while doing it, had to 
send it back to Elektron to bring it back to life.

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA
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>I believe it was os 1.1 r34.  Is that the older one?
>It crashed for almost 5 hours, everytime i'd try to turn it on.  I'd try to
>get to the system menu to reset the flash ram but it would crash and go
>haywire.  So i just sent it back.  I never had a single crash with my MD so i
>was bugged out.
>
>In a message dated 11/14/02 4:07:19 AM, simon@... writes:
>
><< >I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
>>them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
>>gonna get one from elekton directly.
>
>Was there an early OS problem that caused crashed when receiving MIDI clock?
>
>Maybe it just needed an OS upgrade.
>
>Simon
>Canberra
>AUSTRALIA

Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack

2002-11-14 by Steven Henry

similar things have happend to me twice, last time elektron sent me out a 
new rom chip to see if it had been corrupted somehow but that diddn't work. 
some other kinda, hardware error then.. it should arrive back tomorrow. i do 
wonder sometimes..

/steven

>From: Simon <simon@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] MD vs RackAttack
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:44:19 +1000
>
>I had a similar problem with my Sid, couldn't use it at all, kept
>freezing, tried to flash a new OS but if froze while doing it, had to
>send it back to Elektron to bring it back to life.
>
>Simon
>Canberra
>AUSTRALIA
>
>
> >I believe it was os 1.1 r34.  Is that the older one?
> >It crashed for almost 5 hours, everytime i'd try to turn it on.  I'd try 
>to
> >get to the system menu to reset the flash ram but it would crash and go
> >haywire.  So i just sent it back.  I never had a single crash with my MD 
>so i
> >was bugged out.
> >
> >In a message dated 11/14/02 4:07:19 AM, simon@... writes:
> >
> ><< >I know 'cos i just bought a sidstation from
> >>them and when i got it it just kept crashing so i sent it back and I'm
> >>gonna get one from elekton directly.
> >
> >Was there an early OS problem that caused crashed when receiving MIDI 
>clock?
> >
> >Maybe it just needed an OS upgrade.
> >
> >Simon
> >Canberra
> >AUSTRALIA


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