Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

I have been working with my new MD for the past few days and
i'm looking for a few answers about these two topics.

Program change:

I'm working with another synth that has his own sequencer
(DSI_Evolver) and i can't do proper  SEQUENCED program
change on Evo without losing syncro.  I have 2 simple 16th  step
sequences on MD with a prg change on the first step of each
seq. When i go from A01 to A02 (or A02 to A01),  Evo changes a
little late so it goes out of sync with MD. I  don't have this problem
when i use sounds on Evo and not sequenced programs.  I
guess you would have to program the change earlier but how ?

If only Dave would have included a way to make sequenced
change in sync...i stll can't believe he forget about this one, even
the Electribes have this feature.

Parameter Locks:

Is there a way to copy parameter Locks from a one step to
another ? 

Thank you for your help,

Simon

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc <Simonvolt@v...>
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been working with my new MD for the past few days and
> i'm looking for a few answers about these two topics.
> 
> Program change:
> 
> I'm working with another synth that has his own sequencer
> (DSI_Evolver) and i can't do proper  SEQUENCED program
> change on Evo without losing syncro.  I have 2 simple 16th  step
> sequences on MD with a prg change on the first step of each
> seq. When i go from A01 to A02 (or A02 to A01),  Evo changes a
> little late so it goes out of sync with MD. I  don't have
> this problem
> when i use sounds on Evo and not sequenced programs.  I
> guess you would have to program the change earlier but how ?


I heard of others having this problem with the Evolver.  So I don't
think it's an MD timing issue.  Basically, the Evolver wasn't made to
be used in song mode, it seems.

But what's happening?  Is the Evolver sequencer getting completely out
of sync timewise?  Or does the program change message just arrive a
step too late?

Also, are you positive that the Evolver is using external clock (and
that the MD is transmitting it)?  Because if it's just receiving
start/stop messages (and the program changes) and then using its own
clock, it will get out of sync.


> If only Dave would have included a way to make sequenced
> change in sync...i stll can't believe he forget about this one, even
> the Electribes have this feature.


It does seem weird that he didn't include better MIDI functionality,
given that he helped create some of the original MIDI-capable
instruments. Maybe in an OS update?  Either way, the Evolver still
does a hell of a lot for what it is.


> Parameter Locks:
> 
> Is there a way to copy parameter Locks from a one step to
> another ? 


Sheesh!  RTFM! :-)

In grid mode: hold the source key and press REC (to copy it); then
hold the destination key and press PLAY (to paste the source to it). 
For more info, check manual pages 38 and 39.


Joe.

Thanks for the help Joe,

About parLocks copy, you were right about RTFM ;)
For some reason (probably drugs) i could not find
the info.

About the program changes, MD is on  "sync out"
and Evolver on "Midi Clock IN" position.
The program change happens about a step too late.
No matter what i try, it seems it's just impossible to use
Evolver's sequenced programs in sync with other modules.
Unusable in  Live situation.

I emailed Dave about this, he told me the "it's on the list
and will likely be implemented. No dates set yet for new
versions, but hopefully something will get out eventually"

I really hoped the MD could take care of this problem,
i guess not.  

Simon

on 11/06/03 1:05 AM, Joe at jmelnyk@... wrote:

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc <Simonvolt@v...>
wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been working with my new MD for the past few days and
> i'm looking for a few answers about these two topics.
> 
> Program change:
> 
> I'm working with another synth that has his own sequencer
> (DSI_Evolver) and i can't do proper  SEQUENCED program
> change on Evo without losing syncro.  I have 2 simple 16th  step
> sequences on MD with a prg change on the first step of each
> seq. When i go from A01 to A02 (or A02 to A01),  Evo changes a
> little late so it goes out of sync with MD. I  don't have
> this problem
> when i use sounds on Evo and not sequenced programs.  I
> guess you would have to program the change earlier but how ?


I heard of others having this problem with the Evolver.  So I don't
think it's an MD timing issue.  Basically, the Evolver wasn't made to
be used in song mode, it seems.

But what's happening?  Is the Evolver sequencer getting completely out
of sync timewise?  Or does the program change message just arrive a
step too late?

Also, are you positive that the Evolver is using external clock (and
that the MD is transmitting it)?  Because if it's just receiving
start/stop messages (and the program changes) and then using its own
clock, it will get out of sync.


> If only Dave would have included a way to make sequenced
> change in sync...i stll can't believe he forget about this one, even
> the Electribes have this feature.


It does seem weird that he didn't include better MIDI functionality,
given that he helped create some of the original MIDI-capable
instruments. Maybe in an OS update?  Either way, the Evolver still
does a hell of a lot for what it is.


> Parameter Locks:
> 
> Is there a way to copy parameter Locks from a one step to
> another ? 


Sheesh!  RTFM! :-)

In grid mode: hold the source key and press REC (to copy it); then
hold the destination key and press PLAY (to paste the source to it).
For more info, check manual pages 38 and 39.


Joe.


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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc <Simonvolt@v...>
wrote:
> Thanks for the help Joe,


No problem.

 
> About the program changes, MD is on  "sync out"
> and Evolver on "Midi Clock IN" position.
> The program change happens about a step too late.
> No matter what i try, it seems it's just impossible to use
> Evolver's sequenced programs in sync with other modules.
> Unusable in  Live situation.


I tried it out after I replied before.  I tried a couple of different
sequences and with some of them (at certain tempos) there seemed to be
no problem; but with others, the Evolver was obviously off.  So you
might be able to get around it *sometimes*,  but it's obvious that
Dave needs to do something about it in an OS update. 

Oh, and the tests I tried weren't a step too late like you describe. 
They were just barely off, but still noticeable. Perhaps it's just the
clock divide setting I was using on the Evolver...


> I emailed Dave about this, he told me the "it's on the list
> and will likely be implemented. No dates set yet for new
> versions, but hopefully something will get out eventually"


Yeah..."hopefully"  I *hope* that turns into *definitely* :-)


> I really hoped the MD could take care of this problem,
> i guess not.  


Well, it's not the MD's fault that the Evolver loses the MIDI clock
on program changes :-)  Besides, it's a step sequencer.  So given the
Evolver's problem, the best that you can do is program the program
change one step before you want it to *actually* change.  BUT that
only works if you have no Evolver sounds playing on that step.

You could use a non-step sequencer to program the program change,
though...

Joe.

Joe wrote:

>>>Well, it's not the MD's fault that the Evolver
loses the MIDI clock
on program changes :-)  Besides, it's a step
sequencer.  So given the
Evolver's problem, the best that you can do is program
the program
change one step before you want it to *actually*
change.  BUT that
only works if you have no Evolver sounds playing on
that step.

You could use a non-step sequencer to program the
program change,
though...<<<

there was another trick posted to the Evolver list
that makes for a nice workaround. I'm treading into OT
territory by mentioning this on the MD list, but since
I am using the two together as well, I thought this
insight might help: what I often do is program 4
different but realted melodies on the 4 sequencer
"tracks" in the Evolver. I will assign them by the
regular Seq slots to modulate any parameter *not*
related to the pitch of the oscs... I then use one of
the free Mod slots, assign Dest to OAF (pitch of all
oscs), amount to 99 (or less, if you wish) and use
Source to change between SE1-SE4 in real time. this
allows one to change the Evolver sequence without
having to change the patch. obviously if you're trying
to jump to a completely different type of sound on the
Evolver, this won't work. but if you were programming
multiple patches based on the same sounds but with
different sequencer melodies, this technique might
provide a workaround for you. I'm quite enjoying it
myself. 

keeping in mind that I'm not trying to spam my music,
here is a link to a track I worked on last night which
uses this technique. drums are MD (with Lexicon PCM-81
reverb), the sort-of-melodic parts are the Evolver
(through Sony DPS-V77 effects) using the technique I
describe above. the "periodic" backround stuff is a
Nord Modular patch (no FX), also clocked to the MD.
the link: 

http://zebox.com/cgi-bin/artists/dl.cgi?spectralab_-_intoxication_manslaughter_-_edit.m3u+qp+m3

this piece was recorded live to 2-track... the Evolver
did not change patches once during the
recording/performance.

hopefully this helps somewhat.

not to minimize the hope that Dave will properly sort
out the Evolver, but at least a very reasonable (and
fun) workaround in the meantime... 

cheers,
kevin



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Nice, thanks Kevin.
I still think Evolver really need this feature,
but i will try to work like this for the time being.


on 11/06/03 3:16 AM, not known at spectralab1@... wrote:

Joe wrote:

>>>Well, it's not the MD's fault that the Evolver
loses the MIDI clock
on program changes :-)  Besides, it's a step
sequencer.  So given the
Evolver's problem, the best that you can do is program
the program
change one step before you want it to *actually*
change.  BUT that
only works if you have no Evolver sounds playing on
that step.

You could use a non-step sequencer to program the
program change,
though...<<<

there was another trick posted to the Evolver list
that makes for a nice workaround. I'm treading into OT
territory by mentioning this on the MD list, but since
I am using the two together as well, I thought this
insight might help: what I often do is program 4
different but realted melodies on the 4 sequencer
"tracks" in the Evolver. I will assign them by the
regular Seq slots to modulate any parameter *not*
related to the pitch of the oscs... I then use one of
the free Mod slots, assign Dest to OAF (pitch of all
oscs), amount to 99 (or less, if you wish) and use
Source to change between SE1-SE4 in real time. this
allows one to change the Evolver sequence without
having to change the patch. obviously if you're trying
to jump to a completely different type of sound on the
Evolver, this won't work. but if you were programming
multiple patches based on the same sounds but with
different sequencer melodies, this technique might
provide a workaround for you. I'm quite enjoying it
myself. 

keeping in mind that I'm not trying to spam my music,
here is a link to a track I worked on last night which
uses this technique. drums are MD (with Lexicon PCM-81
reverb), the sort-of-melodic parts are the Evolver
(through Sony DPS-V77 effects) using the technique I
describe above. the "periodic" backround stuff is a
Nord Modular patch (no FX), also clocked to the MD.
the link: 

http://zebox.com/cgi-bin/artists/dl.cgi?spectralab_-_intoxication_manslaught
er_-_edit.m3u+qp+m3

this piece was recorded live to 2-track... the Evolver
did not change patches once during the
recording/performance.

hopefully this helps somewhat.

not to minimize the hope that Dave will properly sort
out the Evolver, but at least a very reasonable (and
fun) workaround in the meantime...

cheers,
kevin



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> keeping in mind that I'm not trying to spam my music,
> here is a link to a track I worked on last night which
> uses this technique. drums are MD (with Lexicon PCM-81
> reverb), the sort-of-melodic parts are the Evolver
> (through Sony DPS-V77 effects) using the technique I
> describe above. the "periodic" backround stuff is a
> Nord Modular patch (no FX), also clocked to the MD.
> the link: 
> 

Don't think you are spamming us with your music.  There is never too
much music from people on this list.
 >http://zebox.com/cgi-bin/artists/dl.cgi?spectralab_-_intoxication_manslaughter_-_edit.m3u+qp+m3

I can't listen.  I get this message, "Not enough arguments in your
search query."

> this piece was recorded live to 2-track... the Evolver
> did not change patches once during the
> recording/performance.
>
> cheers,
> kevin

> Don't think you are spamming us with your music.  
> There is never too
> much music from people on this list.
 
ok :)

http://zebox.com/cgi-bin/artists/dl.cgi?spectralab_-_intoxication_manslaughter_-_edit.m3u+qp+m3

> I can't listen.  I get this message, "Not enough 
> arguments in your search query."
 
try going here: http://zebox/com.spectralab
and stream the individual files. this should be the
top one... sorry it didn't work out, but I've heard
this complaint from a lot of people about zebox... it
seems that Mac users in particular have trouble
accessing the mp3s on their site for some reason...

cheers,
kevin

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--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc
> <Simonvolt@v...>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have been working with my new MD for the past
> few days and
> > i'm looking for a few answers about these two
> topics.
> > 
> > Program change:
> > 
> > I'm working with another synth that has his own
> sequencer
> > (DSI_Evolver) and i can't do proper  SEQUENCED
> program
> > change on Evo without losing syncro.  I have 2
> simple 16th  step
> > sequences on MD with a prg change on the first
> step of each
> > seq. When i go from A01 to A02 (or A02 to A01), 
> Evo changes a
> > little late so it goes out of sync with MD. I 
> don't have
> > this problem
> > when i use sounds on Evo and not sequenced
> programs.  I
> > guess you would have to program the change earlier
> but how ?
> 
> 
> I heard of others having this problem with the
> Evolver.  So I don't
> think it's an MD timing issue.  Basically, the
> Evolver wasn't made to
> be used in song mode, it seems.
> 
> But what's happening?  Is the Evolver sequencer
> getting completely out
> of sync timewise?  Or does the program change
> message just arrive a
> step too late?
> 
> Also, are you positive that the Evolver is using
> external clock (and
> that the MD is transmitting it)?  Because if it's
> just receiving
> start/stop messages (and the program changes) and
> then using its own
> clock, it will get out of sync.
> 
> 
> > If only Dave would have included a way to make
> sequenced
> > change in sync...i stll can't believe he forget
> about this one, even
> > the Electribes have this feature.
> 
> 
> It does seem weird that he didn't include better
> MIDI functionality,
> given that he helped create some of the original
> MIDI-capable
> instruments. Maybe in an OS update?  Either way, the
> Evolver still
> does a hell of a lot for what it is.
> 
> 
> > Parameter Locks:
> > 
> > Is there a way to copy parameter Locks from a one
> step to
> > another ? 
> 
> 
> Sheesh!  RTFM! :-)
> 
> In grid mode: hold the source key and press REC (to
> copy it); then
> hold the destination key and press PLAY (to paste
> the source to it). 
> For more info, check manual pages 38 and 39.
> 
> 
> Joe.
> 
> 


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