Elektron Musical Instruments

anyone have to deal with this? i'm thinking bout picking up one of 
those monomachines, it seems real fun for making some weird ass psy 
with!, but the demos on the site, well they're f'n horrible.  but i 
don't think this synth should be limited by just the sounds there. 
well i did love the sid demo... i really love sid for leads, one of 
the greatest synths for leads...that bending sound ... mmmmmmmm...  
gotta love it:)....but anyone know how easy it is to get the money 
back? not a pain in the ass? i want to pick it up, maybe order it as 
soon as this week when they become ready, but still so wo rried about 
spending a lot of money on a synth that sounds like soft synths...ya 
know?:)  so this way i have no worries.  i'm sure i'll have some fun 
with the vocal part, that part seems cool as hell: ), i just worry a 
bit:)  also anyone know if that kb is velocity?  hmmm this synth 
might bring some psy madness mayhem or might bring some sadness:( 
hopefully the madnesS:D

You should have no problem taking it back if you don't like it.  The thing you have to 
think about is import duties.  You won't get that money back.  

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "hal3001" <hal3001@y...> wrote:

> anyone have to deal with this? i'm thinking bout picking up one of 
> those monomachines, it seems real fun for making some weird ass psy 
> with!, but the demos on the site, well they're f'n horrible.  but i 
> don't think this synth should be limited by just the sounds there. 
> well i did love the sid demo... i really love sid for leads, one of 
> the greatest synths for leads...that bending sound ... mmmmmmmm...  
> gotta love it:)....but anyone know how easy it is to get the money 
> back? not a pain in the ass? i want to pick it up, maybe order it as 
> soon as this week when they become ready, but still so wo rried about 
> spending a lot of money on a synth that sounds like soft synths...ya 
> know?:)  so this way i have no worries.  i'm sure i'll have some fun 
> with the vocal part, that part seems cool as hell: ), i just worry a 
> bit:)  also anyone know if that kb is velocity?  hmmm this synth 
> might bring some psy madness mayhem or might bring some sadness:( 
> hopefully the madnesS:D

On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:14:03AM -0000, endlessnessisticman wrote:
>    You  should  have no problem taking it back if you don't like it.  The
>    thing you have to
>    think about is import duties.  You won't get that money back.

and on something as expensive as the monomachine, it will probably be
close to $200 if you live in the US. also remember that you will have to
pay postage to get it back to them. I'm guessing that that will be
pretty pricey as well, since the cheapest way to get my Sid to them
(USPS) was $50. and the Sid's *incredibly* light compared to the MD; so
imagine how much the MM weighs!

Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:14:03AM -0000, endlessnessisticman wrote:
> >    You  should  have no problem taking it back if you don't like 
it.  The
> >    thing you have to
> >    think about is import duties.  You won't get that money back.
> 
> and on something as expensive as the monomachine, it will probably 
be
> close to $200 if you live in the US. also remember that you will 
have to
> pay postage to get it back to them. I'm guessing that that will be
> pretty pricey as well, since the cheapest way to get my Sid to them
> (USPS) was $50. and the Sid's *incredibly* light compared to the 
MD; so
> imagine how much the MM weighs!
> 
> Joe

I thought that import duties are sometihng like 4% on keyboards? so 
that should only be like 70 or so... yea shippin would be a pain :( 
but.. hrmm should i risk it or not!?:o or just spend some extra money 
and get a used A6, or kurzweil k2600s?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 06:39:07PM -0000, hal3001 wrote:
>    I thought that import duties are sometihng like 4% on keyboards? so
>    that should only be like 70 or so...

you're right. once I looked it up and did the math, I saw that :-) it's
5.3% on synths (at least, that's what they charged me on the Sid). so
if you get it during the beta period for $1400, it will be $74.20 import
duty (plus the $5 Fed-Ex "convenience" fee for paying it up-front for you).

>    yea shippin would be a pain :(

yeah. I imagine it's costing Elektron well over $100 to Fed-Ex these via
global priority. because global priority of my Sid was about $130 and
again, it weighs like a sheet of paper compared to the MM. I'd imagine
it's originally $200-ish for the MM, but Elektron might get a discount for
being exclusive Fed-Ex'ers, so...

either way...yeah, it's a lot of $.
								
>    but.. hrmm should i risk it or not!?:o or just spend some extra money
>    and get a used A6, or kurzweil k2600s?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

it's your call, man. I'm personally going to get the MM once I have the
money (and hopefully if a module/rack version comes out). I have faith
in Elektron that it will be well worth the money. the MD is a lot of $,
but worth every dime once you see the ease of use and breadth of sounds
it offers. I'm sure that the MM is the exact same way (and in fact,
Elektron have told me "if you think the MD has endless options, wait
until you play the MM!"). besides, it has a built-in sequencer; and I'm
a sucker for that :-)

also, if you get it and don't like it, you can probably sell it on eBay
very easily (but post an ad in here first!). you'll probably take less
of a financial hit that way, since you wont' have to pay for shipping.

Joe

Hi everyone!

I hope you won't mind having me around here for a while. I'll do some
support for the first customers of the Monomachine in this list. We
thought it would make sense to do the first support publicly so all users
can follow the discussions. The users manual is not ready yet so there
will probably be a need to explain some internals as the first users get
their machines.

I hope I'll not disturb the discussions here too much. Remember that we do
not want to control what people say here. This forum should be open for
all opinions as long as the tone is fairly polite and the topics don't go
too much off the limits.

I can't spend all my time here so don't always expect immediate replies
from me. If you place a Monomachine question directly to me, please state 
so.

Thanks for your patience!

Daniel Hansson, Elektron

Just curious how long will the sale of beta machines last at that price.

Thanks,
Don

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Hansson [mailto:daniel@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:46 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [elektron] Monomachine support
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I hope you won't mind having me around here for a while. I'll 
> do some support for the first customers of the Monomachine in 
> this list. We thought it would make sense to do the first 
> support publicly so all users can follow the discussions. The 
> users manual is not ready yet so there will probably be a 
> need to explain some internals as the first users get their machines.
> 
> I hope I'll not disturb the discussions here too much. 
> Remember that we do not want to control what people say here. 
> This forum should be open for all opinions as long as the 
> tone is fairly polite and the topics don't go too much off the limits.
> 
> I can't spend all my time here so don't always expect 
> immediate replies from me. If you place a Monomachine 
> question directly to me, please state 
> so.
> 
> Thanks for your patience!
> 
> Daniel Hansson, Elektron

On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Don Gothard wrote:

> Just curious how long will the sale of beta machines last at that price.

That depends on how quickly the Elektron friends will buy out the first
batch of 100 units. It could be 2 days or it could be a month, I don't
know.  We did the same thing for the Machinedrum and it sold out in about
a week I think. This product is a bit more expensive so we'll need to wait
and see what happens.

Daniel

My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.

I'm with MonoMachine.

- Damon

Lucky!!!

I want one :(

On 9/14/03 6:29 PM, "damon" <damon@...> wrote:

> My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.
> 
> I'm with MonoMachine.
> 
> - Damon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

Hello Daniel,

I want to order a Monomachine. However, I have a couple of concerns
regarding shipping. I had a problem with DHL and FedEX.

The DHL problem occured during my Sidstation purchase from Elektron. They
charged a double fee for importation. I refused to pay the excessive amount
and they may try and hold the MonoMachine hostage. So, PLEASE NO NOT use
DHL.

Second problem. I ordered a MachineDrum from Elektron. You guys shipped it
regular Swedish postal service. That worked just fine. However, this was an
early model (#A10600078-45) with the knob problem. I returned the unit for
repair and the unit was sent back to me using FedEX.

Well, FedEX tried to charge me import duties. I have disputed the charge. I
filed the documets stating this was an "original manufacturer warranty
repair" and is not subject to import fees. They are still sending me bills
and have now sent me to a collection agency. 

Can you help me with the FedEX situation? And can you use the Swedish
postal service for shipping to me in the USA?
Sorry to be so needy. I want to fix the FedEX situation, so I can use them
in the future. Looking forward to owning a MonoMachine.

Thanks Daniel,

^f.


----------
> From: Daniel Hansson <daniel@...>
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [elektron] Monomachine support
> Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:45 PM
> 
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I hope you won't mind having me around here for a while. I'll do some
> support for the first customers of the Monomachine in this list. We
> thought it would make sense to do the first support publicly so all users
> can follow the discussions. The users manual is not ready yet so there
> will probably be a need to explain some internals as the first users get
> their machines.
> 
> I hope I'll not disturb the discussions here too much. Remember that we
do

> not want to control what people say here. This forum should be open for
> all opinions as long as the tone is fairly polite and the topics don't go
> too much off the limits.
> 
> I can't spend all my time here so don't always expect immediate replies
> from me. If you place a Monomachine question directly to me, please state

> so.
> 
> Thanks for your patience!
> 
> Daniel Hansson, Elektron
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>

heheee!

ordered one!

looking forward to do some beta testing!...

michael

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Tarpinian" <evildead@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine Ordered!


> Lucky!!!
>
> I want one :(
>
> On 9/14/03 6:29 PM, "damon" <damon@...> wrote:
>
> > My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.
> >
> > I'm with MonoMachine.
> >
> > - Damon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

is it here yet?

Just ordered mine, 62 now left according to the web page.

I  like the idea that it will arrive with no presets and minimal 
instructions.  Just like my first AKS.

Nope.  Ordered it about 3pm PST today.  Hoping for Wed, as my 
Machinedrum took 2 days.

On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 06:14 pm, synchro1 wrote:

> is it here yet?
>
> Just ordered mine, 62 now left according to the web page.
>
> I  like the idea that it will arrive with no presets and minimal
> instructions.  Just like my first AKS.
>
>
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>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I ordered one, too. To be honest, I was a little surprised how
quick I was to do it. The demos are awful IMO - it sounds very thin,
just like I'd expect from a VA - and I don't have any space for a
keyboard but I have faith that Elektron will deliver something very
useful and unique. My main hope is that there are no hardware
problems. I've never sent my MachineDrum back to have the knob upgrade
or noise floor repairs done, just because of the hassle with shipping
and customs, etcetera. That's always been a bit of a black eye on the
MD for me.   
   I guess I'll be hanging around here again.

   - Ben


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Tucek"
<michael.tucek@v...> wrote:

> heheee!
> 
> ordered one!
> 
> looking forward to do some beta testing!...
> 
> michael
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Tarpinian" <evildead@n...>
> To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine Ordered!
> 
> 
> > Lucky!!!
> >
> > I want one :(
> >
> > On 9/14/03 6:29 PM, "damon" <damon@m...> wrote:
> >
> > > My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.
> > >
> > > I'm with MonoMachine.
> > >
> > > - Damon
> > >

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Tucek" 
<michael.tucek@v...> wrote:
> heheee!
> 
> ordered one!
> 
> looking forward to do some beta testing!...
> 
> michael
> 

Hi,

I joined the club (#58)
This going fast, 43 in just 4 hours.
I was sleeping and woke up to go for a P^$
Just curious looked in my mail and didn't expext it to be selling 
already at 4 am.
But it did and now am very happy I woke!
Bring it on!!!!!

Grtz. Ronald.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:13:32AM -0000, Roonan wrote:
>    Just curious looked in my mail and didn't expext it to be selling
>    already at 4 am.
>    But it did and now am very happy I woke!

Was there another friend email?  I didn't receive one and I see nothing
on the website regarding purchasing nor the email itself (in the friend
section). weird.

Joe

On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:45:30PM +0200, Daniel Hansson wrote:
>    If  you place a Monomachine question directly to me, please
>    state so.
>    Thanks for your patience!
>    Daniel Hansson, Elektron

I have a MonoMachine question: will there be a module/rack version
available in the future?  If so, do you have any idea of when that
would be?

Joe.

--- Ben <bdagnon@...> wrote:
> I've never sent my MachineDrum back to
> have the knob upgrade
> or noise floor repairs done, just because of the
> hassle with shipping
> and customs, etcetera. That's always been a bit of a
> black eye on the
> MD for me.   

Now that Elektron is opening a number of in-country
centers, it would be *real* nice if they handled
repairs & returns through them.  A nice gesture - save
the average joe figuring out the process...

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You'd probably get the same problems.  This is all about the delivery 
services wanting money for their cargo.  You'd have to deliver bulk 
and do alot of paper work with the government to get special 
tax/business incentives.  Remember Elektron is still small.  They had 
enough trouble getting the Monomachine out to be worried about 
setting up distributors.  Not many companies can say how many units 
they have to sell.  

Then you'd have to train these guys to repair the thing.  It'd be 
nice if they can teach us to repair them for each case/situation.  I 
know the electronics could be impossible for most of us, but some of 
the more hardware related problems...  It'd be nice to have the tool 
that could open the MD.  Wouldn't it have been more nice if they 
could have sent the new knobs (were they the potentometers that 
needed replacement?) and.... well...nevermind. 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Eric Jacobsen 
<eajacobsen@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- Ben <bdagnon@h...> wrote:
> > I've never sent my MachineDrum back to
> > have the knob upgrade
> > or noise floor repairs done, just because of the
> > hassle with shipping
> > and customs, etcetera. That's always been a bit of a
> > black eye on the
> > MD for me.   
> 
> Now that Elektron is opening a number of in-country
> centers, it would be *real* nice if they handled
> repairs & returns through them.  A nice gesture - save
> the average joe figuring out the process...
> 
> __________________________________
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On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:39:23AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>    Just  ordered  the  36th  one left. 1:30 AM monday morning and just 35
>    left. I fear some folks may get up tomorrow morning and be out of luck
>    .  .  .   I  hope  not for all those waiting for the email with baited
>    breath! Sort of feels like an IPO of sorts . . .

please don't respond to my question unless you feel like answering it.

thank you.

Joe

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:11:46AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>    ???

You responded to my question of "was there another friend email? I see
no info on the website" with "I purchased one!" Which isn't very helpful
:-(

Joe

down to 26, i relaly don't think i'm going  to be getting one.  i'm 
not gunna be able to sell jup 8 + sh101 that fast, and imho this 
unit's def. not worth more than 1400:-|


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:11:46AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
> >    ???
> 
> You responded to my question of "was there another friend email? I 
see
> no info on the website" with "I purchased one!" Which isn't very 
helpful

> :-(
> 
> Joe

You always take it so personally when people just make conversation in 
an open forum?

On Sunday, September 14, 2003, at 11:21 pm, Joe wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:11:46AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
> >    ???
>
> You responded to my question of "was there another friend email? I see
> no info on the website" with "I purchased one!" Which isn't very 
> helpful
> :-(
>
> Joe
>
>
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>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Aw, bummer.  :(

Used market should have them at a bit under the full price.

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 12:19 am, hal3001 wrote:

> down to 26, i relaly don't think i'm going  to be getting one.  i'm
> not gunna be able to sell jup 8 + sh101 that fast, and imho this
> unit's def. not worth more than 1400:-|
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 02:11:46AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
> > >    ???
> >
> > You responded to my question of "was there another friend email? I
> see
> > no info on the website" with "I purchased one!" Which isn't very
> helpful
> > :-(
> >
> > Joe
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Daniel,

Welcome !!!

Marc.

le 15/09/2003 06:58, Eric Jacobsen à eajacobsen@... a écrit :

> Now that Elektron is opening a number of in-country
> centers, it would be *real* nice if they handled
> repairs & returns through them.  A nice gesture - save
> the average joe figuring out the process...

It is the case with MESI in France (longest in the representative businness
of Elektron as the only one for a loooong time) for SIDs/MDs imported thru
it.

it _should_ be the same for the others under the same conditions at least.

Denis U]

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> >eajacobsen@... a \ufffdcrit\ufffd:
> > Now that Elektron is opening a number of
> in-country
> > centers, it would be *real* nice if they handled
> > repairs & returns through them.  ...
> 
> It is the case with MESI in France 
> 
> it _should_ be the same for the others under the
> same conditions at least.
> Denis U]

Daniel - can we get/expect similar service through
your Elektron Partners in general or is this just
value-add by MESI?  Even so, I guess it would have to
be a retailer, not a sales rep... ? Which leads to the
curiosity, when are you guys going to get a US
retailer?  I don't see one listed.

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Eric Jacobsen wrote:

> > It is the case with MESI in France 
> > 
> > it _should_ be the same for the others under the
> > same conditions at least.
> > Denis U]
> 
> Daniel - can we get/expect similar service through
> your Elektron Partners in general or is this just
> value-add by MESI?

MESI is a distributor, and you can expect such services from companies 
that are distributors for us. However, we do only have distributors in 
areas where we can not sell directly. Currently in France and Japan. The 
reasons we are still in business is that we sell directly. What we do are 
not really mass market products you know...

> Even so, I guess it would have to be a retailer, not a sales rep... ?
> Which leads to the curiosity, when are you guys going to get a US
> retailer?

Sales reps of course can not offer any hardware support. They are just 
good guys that can help to show what our instruments are about. We are 
looking into getting a service center in the US, but nothing is settled 
yet.

Daniel

He Guys !

my tip for Europeans ordering:
if you run your own business you can ask your tax office for a 
so called "European Tax number". 

That saves you 25 % of Swedish Value Added Tax !
Meaning you pay only 25 % of the total price. check it out.


Flo

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> From: Daniel Hansson <daniel@...>
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine Ordered!
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:33 AM
> 
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Eric Jacobsen wrote:
> 
> > > It is the case with MESI in France 
> > > 
> > > it _should_ be the same for the others under the
> > > same conditions at least.
> > > Denis U]
> > 
> > Daniel - can we get/expect similar service through
> > your Elektron Partners in general or is this just
> > value-add by MESI?
> 
> MESI is a distributor, and you can expect such services from companies 
> that are distributors for us. However, we do only have distributors in 
> areas where we can not sell directly. Currently in France and Japan. The 
> reasons we are still in business is that we sell directly. What we do are

> not really mass market products you know...
> 
> > Even so, I guess it would have to be a retailer, not a sales rep... ?
> > Which leads to the curiosity, when are you guys going to get a US
> > retailer?
> 
Yeah, how about Doug at SonicHighway.com or Geoff at GSF Agency or
Audiomidi.com !

> Sales reps of course can not offer any hardware support. They are just 
> good guys that can help to show what our instruments are about. We are 
> looking into getting a service center in the US, but nothing is settled 
> yet.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

>

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:29:33AM -0700, damon wrote:
>    You always take it so personally when people just make conversation in
>    an open forum?

No.  I'm just kind of annoyed that I never received this email, if
indeed there was one.  And that nobody has answered my simple questions.

I'm also used to usenet; where people reply to the most-relevant post
within a thread as good netiquette.  So when someone replied to my post
when they should have replied to the top post AND they didn't answer my
question, I just got annoyed.

Sorry.  Carry on.

Joe

Eight Monomachines left!  Woah!

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:52:02AM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>    Well did you buy one after I sent you a copy of my email offlist after
>    your complaining?

No.  I didn't intend on buying one; as I've said before in here, I'm
holding out in hopes that they'll release a module version.

I was just wondering what happened to the email and was curious whether
the email contained any other information.  But thanks for sending it
(and thanks to the others who have forwarded it as well); and thanks
for your password! :-)

Joe

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:15:25PM -0400, Ravi Ivan Sharma wrote:
>    No problem! Thank you for not cancelling the delivery of my MD and MM!
>    :)

You just ordered an MD as well (I thought you had one for some reason)?
Ouch!  That's gonna hurt.  But I would recommend quitting your job and
purchasing a lot of coffee, because you probably won't be sleeping much
in the next couple of weeks! :-)

Joe
(who didn't cancel your orders, but just re-routed them a bit ;-)

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, damon <damon@m...> wrote:
> My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.
> 
> I'm with MonoMachine.
> 
> - Damon

I gave in and ordered one as well.  I think I'm gonna go sell a kidney
to pay off my credit card...

Joe.

We're with Monomachine.  ;-]

In addition, we're with debt.  ;-]

On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Joe wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, damon <damon@m...> wrote:
> > My pocketbook is $1400 lighter.
> >
> > I'm with MonoMachine.
> >
> > - Damon
>
> I gave in and ordered one as well.  I think I'm gonna go sell a kidney
> to pay off my credit card...
>
> Joe.
>
>
<image.tiff>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Get the 100th Monomachine now!  ;-]

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bdagnon@h...> wrote:
>    I ordered one, too. To be honest, I was a little surprised how
> quick I was to do it. The demos are awful IMO - it sounds very thin,
> just like I'd expect from a VA

Can someone explain to me why hardware synths, and I mean completely 
digital hardware synths, tend to sound less "thin" than software 
synths?

Why, in this time when it is possible to have a fully functional 
synthesizer on the computer, should we buy hardware, APART from the 
advantages of the knobs/sliders interface? What other advantages are 
there to hardware?

Apart from interface?

That's like asking, 'Why buy a computer with a keyboard instead of just 
a mouse, APART from the advantages of typing."

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Col Dee wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bdagnon@h...> wrote:
> >    I ordered one, too. To be honest, I was a little surprised how
> > quick I was to do it. The demos are awful IMO - it sounds very thin,
> > just like I'd expect from a VA
>
> Can someone explain to me why hardware synths, and I mean completely
> digital hardware synths, tend to sound less "thin" than software
> synths?
>
> Why, in this time when it is possible to have a fully functional
> synthesizer on the computer, should we buy hardware, APART from the
> advantages of the knobs/sliders interface? What other advantages are
> there to hardware?
>
>
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> Can someone explain to me why hardware synths, and I mean completely 
> digital hardware synths, tend to sound less "thin" than software 
> synths?

I don't necessarily find this to be true. 

What are you using? What are you listening through?

Also, don't fall into the trap of thinking that that thin isn't "in".
How often are you going to EQ out the body of the sound you worked so
hard to fatten up, when you find it steps all over the vocal or the
groove! 



-m@

I'm going to do everything with sines now... ultra thinnies ;-)

> Also, don't fall into the trap of thinking that that thin isn't "in".
> How often are you going to EQ out the body of the sound you worked so
> hard to fatten up, when you find it steps all over the vocal or the
> groove!