Elektron Musical Instruments

hey there.

so... OT but it sounds like lots of people here have/have experiance with 
the Sherman Filterbanks....

was wondering how different the FB2 is compared to the FB1.... the cheapest 
i can find the 2 for is around $700, and i have a friend that is willing to 
sell me his FB1 for $400.  this will be my first outboard filter (love the 
demo, have played with FB's before... goot stoof), should i wait till i can 
afford the FB2?  should i get the FB1?  if i have the FB1 for awhile and 
LOVE it will i want to get the FB2?

thanks much,

-0behn desu0-
djbokuno.com

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Here is an list of the main differences between FB1 and FB2.

/Robert Leiner

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WHAT'S NEW ABOUT THE SHERMAN FILTERBANK 2 :
There are 5 extra switches and 2 extra LEDs, and on the back panel there's
one pedal input jack. A reworked front-panel lay-out and the grey metal
color. 

*    The pedal input (we will deliver footpedal separately) allows foot
control of freq1and bypass/effect switching. (this footpedal will also be
especially designed by Sherman and will be released around April 2001)
*    A 5mm big green LED indicates "Effect on" on the FB 2
*    A 3-way switch on the input stage allows Hi boost as well Hi cut (both
boosting high frequencies at input)
*    Another 3-way switch allows "Sensitrig" (which makes the triggering
twice as sensitive for, e.g. clean string pad filtering) and "Limit", which
leaves the filters more "breathing room" for self-oscillation if the input
stage is extremely overdriven.
*    A 3-way switch has 2 general transpose functions : +1 Octave and +
Quint which works nice with monophonic signals, and has a specific dirty
character.
*    A 3-way switch for the really powerful and quite revolutionary
"Tracking" function - a monophonic pitch follower, that tunes filter 2 to
the incoming pitch, and makes filter 1 slave of filter 2 via the harmonics
switch. E.g. in position 2, filter 1 will be pitched one octave higher than
filter 2, but still following the pitch. This extra switch activates the
"tracking" in a normal or deep "track low" position, with stunning basses as
result.
*    The "revolutionary" aspect of this function is that never before any
similar system enhances "on the spot" harmonics and creates new harmonics
with fat analog circuits.
*    An extra white LED indicates when the tracking system is "locked on".
*    At last there is an 3-way function switch in the LFO section, allowing
sawtooth wave shape OR AR retrig : this forces an LFO restart from the AR
trig with pumping grooves as unavoidable result.
*    The inner electronics have also been adapted to achieve an EVEN BETTER
SOUND-QUALITY

> hey there.
> 
> so... OT but it sounds like lots of people here have/have experiance with
> the Sherman Filterbanks....
> 
> was wondering how different the FB2 is compared to the FB1.... the cheapest
> i can find the 2 for is around $700, and i have a friend that is willing to
> sell me his FB1 for $400.  this will be my first outboard filter (love the
> demo, have played with FB's before... goot stoof), should i wait till i can
> afford the FB2?  should i get the FB1?  if i have the FB1 for awhile and
> LOVE it will i want to get the FB2?
> 
> thanks much,
> 
> -0behn desu0-
> djbokuno.com
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le 22/09/2003 18:38, Behn Humphrey à be4n_anikean@... a écrit :
 
> so... OT but it sounds like lots of people here have/have experiance with
> the Sherman Filterbanks....

:)

> was wondering how different the FB2 is compared to the FB1.... the cheapest
> i can find the 2 for is around $700, and i have a friend that is willing to
> sell me his FB1 for $400.  this will be my first outboard filter (love the
> demo, have played with FB's before... goot stoof), should i wait till i can
> afford the FB2?  should i get the FB1?  if i have the FB1 for awhile and
> LOVE it will i want to get the FB2?

FB2 has 2 switches more mainly. they can add a lot. But FB1 is ok even if
the layout is confusing.

Now as it is used, try all pots, they get scratchy over time (caig me!), and
some behave later erratically, so you have to replace them (which is not
easy, you can't stay long on solder to melt it as the thing is SMD made and
SMD are near all pots)

Otherwise, FB1 is a good thing. If this one is perfect, go for it.

If you want to get crazed up find a Quad (2 FB1 and 2 FB2 in one huge filter
stravaganza) but it's more expensive (only 100 made)

Denis U]

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le 22/09/2003 18:56, Robert Leiner à robert@... a écrit :

> Here is an list of the main differences between FB1 and FB2.

You've beaten me ;)))

So 3 switches, not 2, sorry

Denis U] (2 FB1s at home)

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While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.

I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a 
couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price 
difference wasn't worth the sound difference.  To me, by going with the 
MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Behn Humphrey wrote:

> hey there.
>
> so... OT but it sounds like lots of people here have/have experiance 
> with
> the Sherman Filterbanks....
>
> was wondering how different the FB2 is compared to the FB1.... the 
> cheapest
> i can find the 2 for is around $700, and i have a friend that is 
> willing to
> sell me his FB1 for $400.  this will be my first outboard filter (love 
> the
> demo, have played with FB's before... goot stoof), should i wait till 
> i can
> afford the FB2?  should i get the FB1?  if i have the FB1 for awhile 
> and
> LOVE it will i want to get the FB2?
>
> thanks much,
>
> -0behn desu0-
> djbokuno.com
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Haha, I just remembered -- the money I saved on not going with the 
Sherman is what ended up being used to buy my SidStation.  I wouldn't 
even be on this list if it weren't for going with the MFC42.  ;-]

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:15 AM, Damon Menne wrote:

> While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
>
> I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
> couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price
> difference wasn't worth the sound difference.  To me, by going with the
> MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.
>
> On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Behn Humphrey wrote:
>
> > hey there.
> >
> > so... OT but it sounds like lots of people here have/have experiance
> > with
> > the Sherman Filterbanks....
> >
> > was wondering how different the FB2 is compared to the FB1.... the
> > cheapest
> > i can find the 2 for is around $700, and i have a friend that is
> > willing to
> > sell me his FB1 for $400.  this will be my first outboard filter 
> (love
> > the
> > demo, have played with FB's before... goot stoof), should i wait till
> > i can
> > afford the FB2?  should i get the FB1?  if i have the FB1 for awhile
> > and
> > LOVE it will i want to get the FB2?
> >
> > thanks much,
> >
> > -0behn desu0-
> > djbokuno.com
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Yo're wellcome!

1 FB1, 2 FB Prototypes, 2 Chaos Banks.

/Robert Leiner

> le 22/09/2003 18:56, Robert Leiner à robert@... a écrit :
> 
>> Here is an list of the main differences between FB1 and FB2.
> 
> You've beaten me ;)))
> 
> So 3 switches, not 2, sorry
> 
> Denis U] (2 FB1s at home)
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:15:19AM -0700, Damon Menne wrote:
>    While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
>    I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
>    couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price
>    difference  wasn't  worth  the sound difference.  To me, by going with
>    the
>    MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.

doesn't the MFC42 have storage abilities as well? the Sherman doesn't, if
I remember correctly.

Joe

Wow this is good to know, cuz I was looking at both these units. Thanks.

On 9/22/03 1:15 PM, "Damon Menne" <damon@...> wrote:

> While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
> 
> I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
> couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price
> difference wasn't worth the sound difference.  To me, by going with the
> MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.
>

No, but it has a phenomenal MIDI implementation.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:36 AM, Joe wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:15:19AM -0700, Damon Menne wrote:
> >    While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
> >    I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
> >    couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price
> >    difference  wasn't  worth  the sound difference.  To me, by going 
> with
> >    the
> >    MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.
>
> doesn't the MFC42 have storage abilities as well? the Sherman doesn't, 
> if
> I remember correctly.
>
> Joe
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No worries.  ;-]

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:41 AM, Andy Tarpinian wrote:

> Wow this is good to know, cuz I was looking at both these units. 
> Thanks.
>
> On 9/22/03 1:15 PM, "Damon Menne" <damon@...> wrote:
>
> > While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
> >
> > I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
> > couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.  The $500 price
> > difference wasn't worth the sound difference.  To me, by going with 
> the
> > MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.
> >
>
>
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groove.

yah, robert... i've read the info on the website and either FutureMusic or 
ComputerMusic did a review of the FB2 when it came out... i was more 
interested in what people who have used the FB1 and the FB2 think about 
getting a FB1 for around $400 instead of getting the FB2 for around $700... 
whether i would regret not waiting and getting the FB2 instead......

thanks for the info rob!

Denis- have you used the FB2?  worth the price difference?  thanks much!

-0behn desu0-
djbokuno.com


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From: "I've got a LASER, Earthman!" <lepetitmartien@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] OT about a Sherman Tank Filter
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:02:48 +0200

le 22/09/2003 18:56, Robert Leiner \ufffdErobert@... a \ufffdcrit\ufffd:

 > Here is an list of the main differences between FB1 and FB2.

You've beaten me ;)))

So 3 switches, not 2, sorry

Denis U] (2 FB1s at home)

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le 22/09/2003 19:58, Behn Humphrey à be4n_anikean@... a écrit :

> Denis- have you used the FB2?  worth the price difference?  thanks much!

1/Yes
2/Not at this price I'd say :D

FB2 has a few tricks of its own,  extra control better layout.

The Akai is a "me too" product, but lacks rawness of FB

And about MIDI implementationŠ does a Strad has one?
Unperfect or lack of MIDI means danger, and danger means creativity.

Denis U]

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You'd call it lacks the rawness, I'd call it 'has more anonymity'.

Just to show different perspectives on something...

;-]

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 11:32 AM, I've got a LASER, Earthman! 
wrote:

> le 22/09/2003 19:58, Behn Humphrey � be4n_anikean@... a �crit�:
>
> > Denis- have you used the FB2?� worth the price difference?� thanks 
> much!
>
> 1/Yes
> 2/Not at this price I'd say :D
>
> FB2 has a few tricks of its own,� extra control better layout.
>
> The Akai is a "me too" product, but lacks rawness of FB
>
> And about MIDI implementation� does a Strad has one?
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Is the MIDI implenentation present on the FB1 also?  i thought i read how 
they added a lot of MIDI funcionality to the FB2.... and Sherman's website 
recommends a Kenton Control Freak for use with it.

-0behn desu0-
djbokuno.com


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From: Damon Menne <damon@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] OT about a Sherman Tank Filter
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:56:56 -0700

No, but it has a phenomenal MIDI implementation.

On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 10:36 AM, Joe wrote:

 > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:15:19AM -0700, Damon Menne wrote:
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd While I'm not a sherman owner, I could have been.
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd I had an Akai MFC42 and a Sherman side-by-side to mess with for a
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd couple days, and ended up going with the MFC42.\ufffd The $500 price
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd difference\ufffd wasn't\ufffd worth\ufffd the sound difference.\ufffd To me, by going
 > with
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd the
 > >\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd MFC42, I got 90% of the quality for 40% the price.
 >
 > doesn't the MFC42 have storage abilities as well? the Sherman doesn't,
 > if
 > I remember correctly.
 >
 > Joe
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le 22/09/2003 21:19, Damon Menne à damon@... a écrit :

> You'd call it lacks the rawness, I'd call it 'has more anonymity'.
> 
> Just to show different perspectives on something...

We talk in French of the glass half empty or half full ;)))

Anonym gear doesn't belong to my studio %)

Denis U]

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Leiner <robert@l...> 
wrote:
> Yo're wellcome!
> 
> 1 FB1, 2 FB Prototypes, 2 Chaos Banks.

  What's a Chaos Bank?

Whoaaaaaaa!

Chaos Banks! If you're ever want to sell them, please inform me...

JohnnyBusca
http://www.tonyblack.org

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> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Leiner <robert@l...>
> wrote:
>> Yo're wellcome!
>> 
>> 1 FB1, 2 FB Prototypes, 2 Chaos Banks.
> 
> What's a Chaos Bank?

Well the Sherman Chaos Bank is an interesting module, it has 3 digital
oscillators that can be cross modulated in various way's (FM & Steep). Each
channel has it's on FM input to be controlled from external signals such CV
and audio.
It also has an trigger input and a manual trigger button to reset the cycle
of the oscillators.

It can generate all from noise to random melody's. The sound of the
oscillators is quite digital sounding, but when connected to an filterbank
you have a real nice sounding chaos machine!
The CV output of the Chaos Bank can further modulate any other CV source,
like the filter CV on the filterbank.

There was a plan to release the chaos bank but there was to mutch of a
problem to get it to work with in the RF laws since it can generate wery
high frequencies that might interfere with other electronics.

The Sherman Chaos Bank is an truly unique module and there was only 10 of
them ever made, and I'm lucky to own two. And I don't think I want to part
from one of them since the two of the makes an massive 6 oscillator Chaos
Bank

How ever, you never now what the future might bring! Herman is an close
friend to me and I have pushed him to make it commercially available.
So we se.

I will soon put up some sound bytes and some more pic's of the Chaos Bank
on my web site!

Men while you can have a look here http://www.leinermedia.com/Equipment.html

All The Best -
Robert Leiner

http://www.leinermedia.com

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le 23/09/2003 18:58, Robert Leiner à robert@... a écrit :

> There was a plan to release the chaos bank but there was to mutch of a
> problem to get it to work with in the RF laws since it can generate wery
> high frequencies that might interfere with other electronics.

It DOES interfere :-/

unfortunately :-////////
(no I won't tell how, but the problem makes it unsuitable for commercial
release)
 
> How ever, you never now what the future might bring! Herman is an close
> friend to me and I have pushed him to make it commercially available.
> So we se.

I'm pessimistic on this issue (on the Chaos bank). The problem is EMC
related.

> I will soon put up some sound bytes and some more pic's of the Chaos Bank
> on my web site!

rhaaaaaaaaa!

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 06:58:07PM +0200, Robert Leiner wrote:
>    [1]http://www.leinermedia.com/Equipment.html

hey, I notice that you modified your RSD-10.  what/how did you modify
it?  do you have any recommended resources for modifications?

I like mine a lot, but I would like to see if it's possible to do
anything else with it. and mainly I'm wondering if it's possible to
change the sampling functionality to make that easier to use/integrate.

Joe

Hi Robert,

Just wanted to say, respect!! 

The 'differnet journeys' album was one of the first techno records i seriously got into 
in a BIG way, nice one!!. 
Along with the likes of Woody McBride and Plastikman, you are one of the main 
reasons i got into making techno in the first place.

steve

> 
> Well the Sherman Chaos Bank is an interesting module, it has 3 digital
> oscillators that can be cross modulated in various way's (FM & Steep). Each
> channel has it's on FM input to be controlled from external signals such CV
> and audio.
> It also has an trigger input and a manual trigger button to reset the cycle
> of the oscillators.
> 
> It can generate all from noise to random melody's. The sound of the
> oscillators is quite digital sounding, but when connected to an filterbank
> you have a real nice sounding chaos machine!
> The CV output of the Chaos Bank can further modulate any other CV source,
> like the filter CV on the filterbank.
> 
> There was a plan to release the chaos bank but there was to mutch of a
> problem to get it to work with in the RF laws since it can generate wery
> high frequencies that might interfere with other electronics.
> 
> The Sherman Chaos Bank is an truly unique module and there was only 10 of
> them ever made, and I'm lucky to own two. And I don't think I want to part
> from one of them since the two of the makes an massive 6 oscillator Chaos
> Bank
> 
> How ever, you never now what the future might bring! Herman is an close
> friend to me and I have pushed him to make it commercially available.
> So we se.
> 
> I will soon put up some sound bytes and some more pic's of the Chaos Bank
> on my web site!
> 
> Men while you can have a look here http://www.leinermedia.com/Equipment.html
> 
> All The Best -
> Robert Leiner
> 
> http://www.leinermedia.com
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