Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

This was also posted with feature-suugestion form.
It could be really usefull to be able to name the cc's which are in 
available in midi-seq. Then you could map them to very differently in 
different tracks and still be able to control the situation as you 
would not have to remember them all always. Like I would put cc1 to 
cut-off of sampler patch (would be named cuttoff by me) and cc2 to 
weird granular vst-effect (would be named grnlvl by me). Then I could 
go to another track and make some unique cc's mappings as well. This 
way when I come back to track one I'm able to understand which knob 
does what. Now I've made decision not to even try it. Also the cc's 
could be defianable wrom kit menu (I mean both the names and cc-
numbers for each kit). This way you could define them more freely and 
not to go to global menu each time you want to try something other 
than for example Native Instruments software (which have excellent 
way of defining any cc to any value. In many situations (software) 
this is not so). 
And at the same time I must mention that MD could use this also. Now 
it's not done very usefull and sacrifices too many knobs. If it would 
be done like MnM we would have a lot more cc's available more handy. 
So I think MnM even now (only four, could be increased!) has better 
cc's than MD (no hassle with cc-chooser knob).

Toni.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:05:47PM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
>    And at the same time I must mention that MD could use this also. Now
>    it's not done very usefull and sacrifices too many knobs. If it would
>    be done like MnM we would have a lot more cc's available more handy.
>    So I think MnM even now (only four, could be increased!) has better
>    cc's than MD (no hassle with cc-chooser knob).

I think it would be great if they changed this a bit in the new MD OS.
Here's my idea: since all of the CC destinations and values are
controllable by parameter locks, one can actually change both of them on
a given step(s); this provides a very large breadth of options.  But
it's tedious to program the CC destination and value for every singe CC
and every single step.

It would be nice if these could be recorded in realtime.  That is, run
the MIDI out of the device being controlled (e.g. a synth) into the MD
and set the MD into realtime record mode. Now tweak parameters on the
external device and have the MD record both the CC destination and value
of what you've tweaked on the external device.  This is common amongst
dedicated sequencers (both hard and soft).

Now, there are some issues here.  For example, the MD has to know which
CC to assign the destination/value pair to.  It would also have to be
configured to listen on the specific MIDI port (relative to that MID
machine). There might even be conflicts with recording incoming MIDI
data. Etc, etc, etc, ..... I hope Daniel can give us some insight into
whether or not such functionality is possible.

Joe

This would be very cool.  I have asked elektron about realtime record,
they said it would not be possible.  I'm sure Daniel will say
something similar.  I imagine it would be hard to auto the cc #s but
it would be nice.  It would also would be nice if the CC values would
not act as if it were always locked.  They always go back to whatever
value you have them set at.  It would be great if the MD could record
midi notes and whatever selected CC#s.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:05:47PM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
> >    And at the same time I must mention that MD could use this
also. Now
> >    it's not done very usefull and sacrifices too many knobs. If it
would
> >    be done like MnM we would have a lot more cc's available more
handy.

> >    So I think MnM even now (only four, could be increased!) has better
> >    cc's than MD (no hassle with cc-chooser knob).
> 
> I think it would be great if they changed this a bit in the new MD OS.
> Here's my idea: since all of the CC destinations and values are
> controllable by parameter locks, one can actually change both of them on
> a given step(s); this provides a very large breadth of options.  But
> it's tedious to program the CC destination and value for every singe CC
> and every single step.
> 
> It would be nice if these could be recorded in realtime.  That is, run
> the MIDI out of the device being controlled (e.g. a synth) into the MD
> and set the MD into realtime record mode. Now tweak parameters on the
> external device and have the MD record both the CC destination and value
> of what you've tweaked on the external device.  This is common amongst
> dedicated sequencers (both hard and soft).
> 
> Now, there are some issues here.  For example, the MD has to know which
> CC to assign the destination/value pair to.  It would also have to be
> configured to listen on the specific MIDI port (relative to that MID
> machine). There might even be conflicts with recording incoming MIDI
> data. Etc, etc, etc, ..... I hope Daniel can give us some insight into
> whether or not such functionality is possible.
> 
> Joe

for the midi machines i think the next best thing would be if yo 
could place steps with a CC message but not nessecarily trigger a 
note. in order to change eg. a filter cutoff value half way through a 
long or sustained note...   could this be possible in a future 
update???


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman" 
<endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> This would be very cool.  I have asked elektron about realtime 
record,
> they said it would not be possible.  I'm sure Daniel will say
> something similar.  I imagine it would be hard to auto the cc #s but
> it would be nice.  It would also would be nice if the CC values 
would
> not act as if it were always locked.  They always go back to 
whatever
> value you have them set at.  It would be great if the MD could 
record
> midi notes and whatever selected CC#s.
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 01:05:47PM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
> > >    And at the same time I must mention that MD could use this
> also. Now
> > >    it's not done very usefull and sacrifices too many knobs. If 
it
> would
> > >    be done like MnM we would have a lot more cc's available more
> handy.
> > >    So I think MnM even now (only four, could be increased!) has 
better
> > >    cc's than MD (no hassle with cc-chooser knob).
> > 
> > I think it would be great if they changed this a bit in the new 
MD OS.
> > Here's my idea: since all of the CC destinations and values are
> > controllable by parameter locks, one can actually change both of 
them on
> > a given step(s); this provides a very large breadth of options.  
But
> > it's tedious to program the CC destination and value for every 
singe CC
> > and every single step.
> > 
> > It would be nice if these could be recorded in realtime.  That 
is, run
> > the MIDI out of the device being controlled (e.g. a synth) into 
the MD
> > and set the MD into realtime record mode. Now tweak parameters on 
the
> > external device and have the MD record both the CC destination 
and value
> > of what you've tweaked on the external device.  This is common 
amongst
> > dedicated sequencers (both hard and soft).
> > 
> > Now, there are some issues here.  For example, the MD has to know 
which
> > CC to assign the destination/value pair to.  It would also have 
to be
> > configured to listen on the specific MIDI port (relative to that 
MID
> > machine). There might even be conflicts with recording incoming 
MIDI
> > data. Etc, etc, etc, ..... I hope Daniel can give us some insight 
into

> > whether or not such functionality is possible.
> > 
> > Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "analogback" <gehayman@h...> 
wrote:
> for the midi machines i think the next best thing would be if yo 
> could place steps with a CC message but not nessecarily trigger a 
> note. in order to change eg. a filter cutoff value half way 
through a 
> long or sustained note...   

I haven't tried it but I guess it's already possible.
When you press shift and a trigger you get a green one. i guess 
that's a triggerless one like in the internal sequencer.

Ronald.

(or are you talking about the MD?)

Hi!

> long or sustained note...   could this be possible in a future
> update???

Will there be another OS update? I really hope so! There are a few quirks
that need fixing...

Bye,

Jasper


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I think it's about the MD.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "analogback" <gehayman@h...> 
> wrote:
> > for the midi machines i think the next best thing would be if yo 
> > could place steps with a CC message but not nessecarily trigger a 
> > note. in order to change eg. a filter cutoff value half way 
> through a 
> > long or sustained note...   
> 
> I haven't tried it but I guess it's already possible.
> When you press shift and a trigger you get a green one. i guess 
> that's a triggerless one like in the internal sequencer.
> 
> Ronald.
> 
> (or are you talking about the MD?)