Elektron Musical Instruments

HI all.
There is a sidstation up for auction on ebay that I am considering to buy. The seller 
says it is in great shape and works perfect. In an email he said that he got it off 
another guy who said it did not work, but he found out that just the power supply 
was dead. So he replaced the power supply, and now it is fine. He told me that power 
supplys on the sidstation needs to be replaced every year or so. Is this true and a 
common occurance with the sidstations? If so doo the guuys at Elektron do the 
replacement? or is it a DIY job? Any information about this or advise on purchasing 
this sidstation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-Jason

The power supplys are external and the sid station does use a rather 
high amount of amps condidering.  It is hard to find external 
wallwart style power supplys that give a nice clean power source so I 
can see the radio shack one referenced in the other reply causing 
issues.  As for the needing to be replaced every few years that is 
debatable.  The trick is thus...a standard power supply such as those 
in a computer or most synths have a power switch that cuts the power 
pre transformer and power supply...a piece of electronics that uses a 
wallwart style of power supply can only shut off the power post 
transformer and power supply...this in effect means that the power 
supply is always on even though the synth is turned off.  The longer 
a piece of electronics is on the greater the chance it will 
fail...thats just life...so yeah they burn out faster than an 
internal style but a good quality one should last quite some time.

-Pas

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, slv01@m... wrote:
> HI all.
> There is a sidstation up for auction on ebay that I am considering 
to buy. The seller 
> says it is in great shape and works perfect. In an email he said 
that he got it off 
> another guy who said it did not work, but he found out that just 
the power supply 
> was dead. So he replaced the power supply, and now it is fine. He 
told me that power 
> supplys on the sidstation needs to be replaced every year or so. Is 
this true and a 
> common occurance with the sidstations? If so doo the guuys at 
Elektron do the 
> replacement? or is it a DIY job? Any information about this or 
advise on purchasing 
> this sidstation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> -Jason

A couple of other things to consider. A UPS
(uninteruptible power supply) would also help. It will
first give you a bit of battery backup in case of
power failure, also it will regulate the power coming
out of the unit so that your wallwart power supply
gets a nice constant input voltage. Also, with the
wall wart, it is a good idea to unplug it when you
aren't going to be using it for a while. Oh, the ups
will do a great job of stopping power surges and the
like, plus you can run a good amount of gear off of
run ups.
just my two cents

-roy

--- technoweeniepas <heitert@...> wrote:
> The power supplys are external and the sid station
> does use a rather 
> high amount of amps condidering.  It is hard to find
> external 
> wallwart style power supplys that give a nice clean
> power source so I 
> can see the radio shack one referenced in the other
> reply causing 
> issues.  As for the needing to be replaced every few
> years that is 
> debatable.  The trick is thus...a standard power
> supply such as those 
> in a computer or most synths have a power switch
> that cuts the power 
> pre transformer and power supply...a piece of
> electronics that uses a 
> wallwart style of power supply can only shut off the
> power post 
> transformer and power supply...this in effect means
> that the power 
> supply is always on even though the synth is turned
> off.  The longer 
> a piece of electronics is on the greater the chance
> it will 
> fail...thats just life...so yeah they burn out
> faster than an 
> internal style but a good quality one should last
> quite some time.
> 
> -Pas
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, slv01@m...
> wrote:
> > HI all.
> > There is a sidstation up for auction on ebay that
> I am considering 
> to buy. The seller 
> > says it is in great shape and works perfect. In an
> email he said 
> that he got it off 
> > another guy who said it did not work, but he found
> out that just 
> the power supply 
> > was dead. So he replaced the power supply, and now
> it is fine. He 
> told me that power 
> > supplys on the sidstation needs to be replaced
> every year or so. Is 
> this true and a 
> > common occurance with the sidstations? If so doo
> the guuys at 
> Elektron do the 
> > replacement? or is it a DIY job? Any information
> about this or 
> advise on purchasing 
> > this sidstation would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
> > -Jason
> 
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Uhm... We have actually not heard of many power supplies for the 
SidStation breaking down. Maybe one or a few over the years, but 
that's like a part of a percent of all the ones that has been 
shipped out.

And I would say that the SidStation actually draws quite low amount 
of current, only around 250-300mA normally (although we specify the 
requierment a bit higher because the PSU's usually drops their 
voltage a bit if you draw current up to their specification).

As for being "always on" that's not the whole true. Sure, the 
transforming core is connected, but if there is nothing drawing 
current in the other end that should at least in theory mean that 
there is no effect developed. In practice however there is a small 
effect generated because of that materials are not perfect. You 
should only get a few watts out of it though, just enough to warm 
your feets a cold winter day.

As a sumary: You should not need to exchange your SidStation PSU 
regularily, even though you keep it plugged in the wall.

Daniel

PS. It's debatable which practice keeps your gear alive the longest -
 if you keep them switched on, or if you switch them off an on on a 
regular basis. If you keep it on all the time, the heat generated 
might dry the capacitors up, and stuff in general might get older 
more quickly. However, switching the stuff off and on gets the 
components cycling between cold and warm, and that might tear them 
even quicker! I think most studios with old stuff keeps them 
switched on all the time. 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "technoweeniepas" 
<heitert@h...> wrote:
> The power supplys are external and the sid station does use a 
rather 
> high amount of amps condidering.  It is hard to find external 
> wallwart style power supplys that give a nice clean power source 
so I 
> can see the radio shack one referenced in the other reply causing 
> issues.  As for the needing to be replaced every few years that is 
> debatable.  The trick is thus...a standard power supply such as 
those 
> in a computer or most synths have a power switch that cuts the 
power 
> pre transformer and power supply...a piece of electronics that 
uses a 
> wallwart style of power supply can only shut off the power post 
> transformer and power supply...this in effect means that the power 
> supply is always on even though the synth is turned off.  The 
longer 

> a piece of electronics is on the greater the chance it will 
> fail...thats just life...so yeah they burn out faster than an 
> internal style but a good quality one should last quite some time.
> 
> -Pas
>

Wow thats allot less current than I thought!  My power supply is 
rated at 1.15 amps...lots of headroom there then :)  You are 
definatly right about the always on/always off debate...maybe someday 
there will be more information on which is "better" for your 
equipment...the same debate has been going on for years with 
computers.  The information I gave about the always on with the power 
supply comes from taking apart and fixing many on old pos radio shack 
wallwart :)  Many of them that I have repaird have had to have dead 
caps replaced...why they arent just transformers alone I still dont 
get...but then again I'm not an electrician...I just know how to test 
and replace components. :)

-Pas

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" 
<daniel@e...> wrote:
> 
> Uhm... We have actually not heard of many power supplies for the 
> SidStation breaking down. Maybe one or a few over the years, but 
> that's like a part of a percent of all the ones that has been 
> shipped out.
> 
> And I would say that the SidStation actually draws quite low amount 
> of current, only around 250-300mA normally (although we specify the 
> requierment a bit higher because the PSU's usually drops their 
> voltage a bit if you draw current up to their specification).
> 
> As for being "always on" that's not the whole true. Sure, the 
> transforming core is connected, but if there is nothing drawing 
> current in the other end that should at least in theory mean that 
> there is no effect developed. In practice however there is a small 
> effect generated because of that materials are not perfect. You 
> should only get a few watts out of it though, just enough to warm 
> your feets a cold winter day.
> 
> As a sumary: You should not need to exchange your SidStation PSU 
> regularily, even though you keep it plugged in the wall.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> PS. It's debatable which practice keeps your gear alive the 
longest -
>  if you keep them switched on, or if you switch them off an on on a 
> regular basis. If you keep it on all the time, the heat generated 
> might dry the capacitors up, and stuff in general might get older 
> more quickly. However, switching the stuff off and on gets the 
> components cycling between cold and warm, and that might tear them 
> even quicker! I think most studios with old stuff keeps them 
> switched on all the time. 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "technoweeniepas" 
> <heitert@h...> wrote:
> > The power supplys are external and the sid station does use a 
> rather 
> > high amount of amps condidering.  It is hard to find external 
> > wallwart style power supplys that give a nice clean power source 
> so I 
> > can see the radio shack one referenced in the other reply causing 
> > issues.  As for the needing to be replaced every few years that 
is 
> > debatable.  The trick is thus...a standard power supply such as 
> those 
> > in a computer or most synths have a power switch that cuts the 
> power 
> > pre transformer and power supply...a piece of electronics that 
> uses a 
> > wallwart style of power supply can only shut off the power post 
> > transformer and power supply...this in effect means that the 
power 

> > supply is always on even though the synth is turned off.  The 
> longer 
> > a piece of electronics is on the greater the chance it will 
> > fail...thats just life...so yeah they burn out faster than an 
> > internal style but a good quality one should last quite some time.
> > 
> > -Pas
> >

Le 18 déc. 2003, à 19:32, technoweeniepas a écrit :

> why they arent just transformers alone I still dont
> get...but then again I'm not an electrician...

condos = Basic filtering/stabilisation (removes noise according to the 
frequency induced by the value of the condensator, takes care of some 
spikes = smoothing the tension)

If there was a varistor (limits the tension to the rated value, the 
extra just shorts thru the varistor) inside it would be a good thing, 
but no… Wall warts are the 5th leg in the realm of power units.

What I've never understood is why Elektron has chosen to use AC/AC 
stabilized wall warts with a lot of current. even if they are sturdy, 
it's not by the shelf units so … I'd be happy to know the reason behind 
this choice.

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

That was amazingly helpful!  I am actually taking some EET 
(Electrical Engineering Technology) classes...havent gotten to power 
supplys yet though...next semester.  It does make alot of sence 
though...

-Pas

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my 
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> 
> Le 18 déc. 2003, à 19:32, technoweeniepas a écrit :
> 
> > why they arent just transformers alone I still dont
> > get...but then again I'm not an electrician...
> 
> condos = Basic filtering/stabilisation (removes noise according to 
the 
> frequency induced by the value of the condensator, takes care of 
some 
> spikes = smoothing the tension)
> 
> If there was a varistor (limits the tension to the rated value, the 
> extra just shorts thru the varistor) inside it would be a good 
thing, 
> but no
 Wall warts are the 5th leg in the realm of power units.
> 
> What I've never understood is why Elektron has chosen to use AC/AC 
> stabilized wall warts with a lot of current. even if they are 
sturdy, 
> it's not by the shelf units so 
 I'd be happy to know the reason 
behind 

> this choice.
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Le 19 déc. 2003, à 03:20, technoweeniepas a écrit :

> That was amazingly helpful!  I am actually taking some EET
> (Electrical Engineering Technology) classes...havent gotten to power
> supplys yet though...next semester.  It does make alot of sence
> though...

Well… I'm only a DIY synth wanabee with connections with an analogue 
effect company in Paris.
Now I've read a little and I try to recall my memories of electronics 
from University a _little_ while back ;)

Power supplys as long as they are not high power units or switching 
supplies are not that complex. Stabilization and filtering also. Theory 
is another job, much more complex.
And theory in electronics just squash the important bits under tons of 
blablah. it obscures things more than it clarifies. I leave it to 
Engineers ;)

A little note though for the bold and courageous:

DON'T OPEN AND TOUCH A POWER SUPPLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE UP 
TO!

It can be nasty, even deadly. Especially big capacitors… there are 
security stuff to know, and it's not to be joked upon.

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Hey Denis, can you point me in the right direction for DIY.  I have 
built a Paia fatman and I'm interested in building more.  I'm 
looking for some simple effects boxes and synth kits (also mods).  
I've gotten tired of VAs and the like.  Not to say that Elektron 
isn't making any run of the mill DSP innovation.  I have quite a few 
links.  Just wondering if you know something I don't (like before).

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my 
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> 
> Le 19 d?. 2003, ?03:20, technoweeniepas a ?rit :
> 
> > That was amazingly helpful!  I am actually taking some EET
> > (Electrical Engineering Technology) classes...havent gotten to 
power
> > supplys yet though...next semester.  It does make alot of sence
> > though...
> 
> Well?I'm only a DIY synth wanabee with connections with an 
analogue 
> effect company in Paris.
> Now I've read a little and I try to recall my memories of 
electronics 
> from University a _little_ while back ;)
> 
> Power supplys as long as they are not high power units or 
switching 
> supplies are not that complex. Stabilization and filtering also. 
Theory 
> is another job, much more complex.
> And theory in electronics just squash the important bits under 
tons of 
> blablah. it obscures things more than it clarifies. I leave it to 
> Engineers ;)
> 
> A little note though for the bold and courageous:
> 
> DON'T OPEN AND TOUCH A POWER SUPPLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE 
UP 

> TO!
> 
> It can be nasty, even deadly. Especially big capacitors?there are 
> security stuff to know, and it's not to be joked upon.
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Le 19 déc. 2003, à 05:46, endlessnessisticman a écrit :

> Hey Denis, can you point me in the right direction for DIY.  I have
> built a Paia fatman and I'm interested in building more.  I'm
> looking for some simple effects boxes and synth kits (also mods).

First have you made the mods of the Fatman, it's maybe the most moded 
synth there is.
The oringinal is ok but a bit boring in the end, with mods it's a full 
synth much more versatile.

For effect boxes there are loads of stompbox shemos that could do the 
trick. Unfortunately a lot of them are not going to run properly as 
found on the net.

Synth kits are almost all modular, you already know PAIA that has some 
trick up its sleeve (vocoder, spring reverb, small modular…), there's 
also Blacet, MOTM, CGS, EFM, ASM-1, Helm Formant…
I have all the links (you can find them in google without trouble) plus 
a few others I don't recall now… (got to restart in OS9 to give you 
more hints)

http://www.blacet.com
http://www.synthtech.com (MOTM) very good DIY FAQ on building even if I 
don't like the synth itself.
http://www.ele4music.com/ EFM
http://www.elby-designs.com/ ASM-1 (shop)
http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/ (home of the ASM-1) 
(note, ASM-1 are not for the faint of heart)
http://www.elby-designs.com/pixie/pixie-about.htm Hey some are 
preparing a DIY WASP! (unfinished, and won't be as unreliable and 
therefore fun -yes!- as the real one but…)
http://www.cgs.synth.net/
http://www.helm-elektronik.de/ (in German)

http://www.synth.clara.net/resources.html with all the links above and 
others I don't remember by heart
http://www.synth.clara.net/beginners.html a good FAQ

There's even an extandable MIDI controler project at ucaps.de the 
MIDIbox (with SID add-on, oops I'm on topic again) 
http://www.ucapps.de/

> I've gotten tired of VAs and the like.  Not to say that Elektron
> isn't making any run of the mill DSP innovation.  I have quite a few
> links.  Just wondering if you know something I don't (like before).

I know everything! And the rest! LOL

For stompboxes a google on DIY stompboxes is a good start, I have 
selected sites, but on my other system… I'll look for this this WE.

For front panels you can go Schaeffer Apparetebau (they are in Germany, 
their software is windows only, but they have a daughter company in the 
USA), or do them yourself many methods out there, results vary… 
Simplest method and looking good is:

-prepare carefully the design
-print it on a clear foil used for transparents in reverse (let it dry)
-spray the printed side with paint you want the panel to be (let it dry)
-glue to the panel after drilling the holes
-cut the holes in the plastic
-et voilà !

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, slv01@m... wrote:
> HI all.
> There is a sidstation up for auction on ebay that I am considering to buy. The seller 
> says it is in great shape and works perfect. In an email he said that he got it off 
> another guy who said it did not work, but he found out that just the power supply 
> was dead. So he replaced the power supply, and now it is fine. He told me that 
power 
> supplys on the sidstation needs to be replaced every year or so. Is this true and a 
> common occurance with the sidstations? If so doo the guuys at Elektron do the 
> replacement? or is it a DIY job? Any information about this or advise on purchasing 
> this sidstation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> -Jason

HI. Thanks for all the information. It seems as though all it needed was a new power 
supply, and since the seller had much positive feedback, I went ahead and used buy it 
now and bought the sidstation! I sure hope it works fine, and I can't wait to play it. 
Another question: should I just use the wall wart that he replaced the dead one with, 
or would it be in my best interest to buy a new one from elektron?
thanks for all the help everyone!
-Jason

Le 19 déc. 2003, à 14:26, hulkfist a écrit :

> Another question: should I just use the wall wart that he replaced the 
> dead one with,
> or would it be in my best interest to buy a new one from elektron?

As long as it's correctly rated/right connector it should be ok, in 
doubt ask elektron.

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Thanks for the info.  Some of the links don't work just like many
other sites I've come across.  I think there is definite room for an
updated DIY site to keep this together.

Thanks sbout the panel stuff.  I really want to make different boxes
but I may have to put a rack together.  Many have rack designs.  I
wouln't know how to get metal boxes unless I knew a fabricator.

You don't like MOTM?  I was thinking about them before.

I saw that ucapps thing yesterday.  That looks cool.  Keep it on
topic.  That's ucapps.de

I think I'm gonna get one of the Paia 9700s and build some effect
pedals.  Also do some of the simple fatman mods.

Thanks again Denis.  Macmusic.org rocks.

Oh, and do you think things like my Edirol UM-1S can be used in OSX to
synch my Machinedrum (keep on topic) in the future?  I went to Edirol
site to get the driver and they only have it in os9.  Does this mean I
should run programs in os9 to use the device until they might make it
for osx?



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> 
> Le 19 déc. 2003, à 05:46, endlessnessisticman a écrit :
> 
> > Hey Denis, can you point me in the right direction for DIY.  I have
> > built a Paia fatman and I'm interested in building more.  I'm
> > looking for some simple effects boxes and synth kits (also mods).
> 
> First have you made the mods of the Fatman, it's maybe the most moded 
> synth there is.
> The oringinal is ok but a bit boring in the end, with mods it's a full 
> synth much more versatile.
> 
> For effect boxes there are loads of stompbox shemos that could do the 
> trick. Unfortunately a lot of them are not going to run properly as 
> found on the net.
> 
> Synth kits are almost all modular, you already know PAIA that has some 
> trick up its sleeve (vocoder, spring reverb, small modular
), there's 
> also Blacet, MOTM, CGS, EFM, ASM-1, Helm Formant

> I have all the links (you can find them in google without trouble) plus 
> a few others I don't recall now
 (got to restart in OS9 to give you 
> more hints)
> 
> http://www.blacet.com
> http://www.synthtech.com (MOTM) very good DIY FAQ on building even if I 
> don't like the synth itself.
> http://www.ele4music.com/ EFM
> http://www.elby-designs.com/ ASM-1 (shop)
> http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/ (home of the ASM-1) 
> (note, ASM-1 are not for the faint of heart)
> http://www.elby-designs.com/pixie/pixie-about.htm Hey some are 
> preparing a DIY WASP! (unfinished, and won't be as unreliable and 
> therefore fun -yes!- as the real one but
)
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> http://www.helm-elektronik.de/ (in German)
> 
> http://www.synth.clara.net/resources.html with all the links above and 
> others I don't remember by heart
> http://www.synth.clara.net/beginners.html a good FAQ
> 
> There's even an extandable MIDI controler project at ucaps.de the 
> MIDIbox (with SID add-on, oops I'm on topic again) 
> http://www.ucapps.de/
> 
> > I've gotten tired of VAs and the like.  Not to say that Elektron
> > isn't making any run of the mill DSP innovation.  I have quite a few
> > links.  Just wondering if you know something I don't (like before).
> 
> I know everything! And the rest! LOL
> 
> For stompboxes a google on DIY stompboxes is a good start, I have 
> selected sites, but on my other system
 I'll look for this this WE.

> 
> For front panels you can go Schaeffer Apparetebau (they are in Germany, 
> their software is windows only, but they have a daughter company in the 
> USA), or do them yourself many methods out there, results vary
 
> Simplest method and looking good is:
> 
> -prepare carefully the design
> -print it on a clear foil used for transparents in reverse (let it dry)
> -spray the printed side with paint you want the panel to be (let it dry)
> -glue to the panel after drilling the holes
> -cut the holes in the plastic
> -et voilà !
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

i just checked out some links you posted .... WOW ! those DIY SID
PROJECTS are awesome !



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman"
<endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info.  Some of the links don't work just like many
> other sites I've come across.  I think there is definite room for an
> updated DIY site to keep this together.
> 
> Thanks sbout the panel stuff.  I really want to make different boxes
> but I may have to put a rack together.  Many have rack designs.  I
> wouln't know how to get metal boxes unless I knew a fabricator.
> 
> You don't like MOTM?  I was thinking about them before.
> 
> I saw that ucapps thing yesterday.  That looks cool.  Keep it on
> topic.  That's ucapps.de
> 
> I think I'm gonna get one of the Paia 9700s and build some effect
> pedals.  Also do some of the simple fatman mods.
> 
> Thanks again Denis.  Macmusic.org rocks.
> 
> Oh, and do you think things like my Edirol UM-1S can be used in OSX to
> synch my Machinedrum (keep on topic) in the future?  I went to Edirol
> site to get the driver and they only have it in os9.  Does this mean I
> should run programs in os9 to use the device until they might make it
> for osx?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my
> tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> > 
> > Le 19 déc. 2003, à 05:46, endlessnessisticman a écrit :
> > 
> > > Hey Denis, can you point me in the right direction for DIY.  I have
> > > built a Paia fatman and I'm interested in building more.  I'm
> > > looking for some simple effects boxes and synth kits (also mods).
> > 
> > First have you made the mods of the Fatman, it's maybe the most moded 
> > synth there is.
> > The oringinal is ok but a bit boring in the end, with mods it's a
full 
> > synth much more versatile.
> > 
> > For effect boxes there are loads of stompbox shemos that could do the 
> > trick. Unfortunately a lot of them are not going to run properly as 
> > found on the net.
> > 
> > Synth kits are almost all modular, you already know PAIA that has
some 
> > trick up its sleeve (vocoder, spring reverb, small modular
), there's 
> > also Blacet, MOTM, CGS, EFM, ASM-1, Helm Formant

> > I have all the links (you can find them in google without trouble)
plus 
> > a few others I don't recall now
 (got to restart in OS9 to give you 
> > more hints)
> > 
> > http://www.blacet.com
> > http://www.synthtech.com (MOTM) very good DIY FAQ on building even
if I 
> > don't like the synth itself.
> > http://www.ele4music.com/ EFM
> > http://www.elby-designs.com/ ASM-1 (shop)
> > http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/ (home of the ASM-1) 
> > (note, ASM-1 are not for the faint of heart)
> > http://www.elby-designs.com/pixie/pixie-about.htm Hey some are 
> > preparing a DIY WASP! (unfinished, and won't be as unreliable and 
> > therefore fun -yes!- as the real one but
)
> > http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > http://www.helm-elektronik.de/ (in German)
> > 
> > http://www.synth.clara.net/resources.html with all the links above
and 
> > others I don't remember by heart
> > http://www.synth.clara.net/beginners.html a good FAQ
> > 
> > There's even an extandable MIDI controler project at ucaps.de the 
> > MIDIbox (with SID add-on, oops I'm on topic again) 
> > http://www.ucapps.de/
> > 
> > > I've gotten tired of VAs and the like.  Not to say that Elektron
> > > isn't making any run of the mill DSP innovation.  I have quite a few
> > > links.  Just wondering if you know something I don't (like before).
> > 
> > I know everything! And the rest! LOL
> > 
> > For stompboxes a google on DIY stompboxes is a good start, I have 
> > selected sites, but on my other system
 I'll look for this this WE.
> > 
> > For front panels you can go Schaeffer Apparetebau (they are in
Germany, 
> > their software is windows only, but they have a daughter company
in the 
> > USA), or do them yourself many methods out there, results vary
 
> > Simplest method and looking good is:
> > 
> > -prepare carefully the design
> > -print it on a clear foil used for transparents in reverse (let it
dry)
> > -spray the printed side with paint you want the panel to be (let
it dry)

> > -glue to the panel after drilling the holes
> > -cut the holes in the plastic
> > -et voilà !
> > 
> > Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> > =======================================================
> > M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

okay... i just checked out some mp3´s from that midibox sid. and i was
really impressed especialy by that one : 

=========

http://www.midibox.org/midibox_sid/mbsid_v1_5_filter.mp3

discription says : This example demonstrates the new filter driver of
software engine v1.5 which improves the quality of the 8580
significantly. First you will hear the 6581, thereafter the 8580!

=========

now i am curios if i could get that nice sounding filter ? i think i
could get me a 8580 somewhere but what about that filter driver? 

is there a way to realize that on the station?

[phono]







--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "phonophobie" <sidstation@h...>
wrote:
> i just checked out some links you posted .... WOW ! those DIY SID
> PROJECTS are awesome !
> 
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman"
> <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the info.  Some of the links don't work just like many
> > other sites I've come across.  I think there is definite room for an
> > updated DIY site to keep this together.
> > 
> > Thanks sbout the panel stuff.  I really want to make different boxes
> > but I may have to put a rack together.  Many have rack designs.  I
> > wouln't know how to get metal boxes unless I knew a fabricator.
> > 
> > You don't like MOTM?  I was thinking about them before.
> > 
> > I saw that ucapps thing yesterday.  That looks cool.  Keep it on
> > topic.  That's ucapps.de
> > 
> > I think I'm gonna get one of the Paia 9700s and build some effect
> > pedals.  Also do some of the simple fatman mods.
> > 
> > Thanks again Denis.  Macmusic.org rocks.
> > 
> > Oh, and do you think things like my Edirol UM-1S can be used in OSX to
> > synch my Machinedrum (keep on topic) in the future?  I went to Edirol
> > site to get the driver and they only have it in os9.  Does this mean I
> > should run programs in os9 to use the device until they might make it
> > for osx?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my
> > tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Le 19 déc. 2003, à 05:46, endlessnessisticman a écrit :
> > > 
> > > > Hey Denis, can you point me in the right direction for DIY.  I
have
> > > > built a Paia fatman and I'm interested in building more.  I'm
> > > > looking for some simple effects boxes and synth kits (also mods).
> > > 
> > > First have you made the mods of the Fatman, it's maybe the most
moded 
> > > synth there is.
> > > The oringinal is ok but a bit boring in the end, with mods it's a
> full 
> > > synth much more versatile.
> > > 
> > > For effect boxes there are loads of stompbox shemos that could
do the 
> > > trick. Unfortunately a lot of them are not going to run properly as 
> > > found on the net.
> > > 
> > > Synth kits are almost all modular, you already know PAIA that has
> some 
> > > trick up its sleeve (vocoder, spring reverb, small modular
),
there's 
> > > also Blacet, MOTM, CGS, EFM, ASM-1, Helm Formant

> > > I have all the links (you can find them in google without trouble)
> plus 
> > > a few others I don't recall now
 (got to restart in OS9 to give you 
> > > more hints)
> > > 
> > > http://www.blacet.com
> > > http://www.synthtech.com (MOTM) very good DIY FAQ on building even
> if I 
> > > don't like the synth itself.
> > > http://www.ele4music.com/ EFM
> > > http://www.elby-designs.com/ ASM-1 (shop)
> > > http://home.swipnet.se/cfmd/synths/friends/stopp/ (home of the
ASM-1) 
> > > (note, ASM-1 are not for the faint of heart)
> > > http://www.elby-designs.com/pixie/pixie-about.htm Hey some are 
> > > preparing a DIY WASP! (unfinished, and won't be as unreliable and 
> > > therefore fun -yes!- as the real one but
)
> > > http://www.cgs.synth.net/
> > > http://www.helm-elektronik.de/ (in German)
> > > 
> > > http://www.synth.clara.net/resources.html with all the links above
> and 
> > > others I don't remember by heart
> > > http://www.synth.clara.net/beginners.html a good FAQ
> > > 
> > > There's even an extandable MIDI controler project at ucaps.de the 
> > > MIDIbox (with SID add-on, oops I'm on topic again) 
> > > http://www.ucapps.de/
> > > 
> > > > I've gotten tired of VAs and the like.  Not to say that Elektron
> > > > isn't making any run of the mill DSP innovation.  I have quite
a few
> > > > links.  Just wondering if you know something I don't (like
before).
> > > 
> > > I know everything! And the rest! LOL
> > > 
> > > For stompboxes a google on DIY stompboxes is a good start, I have 
> > > selected sites, but on my other system
 I'll look for this this WE.

> > > 
> > > For front panels you can go Schaeffer Apparetebau (they are in
> Germany, 
> > > their software is windows only, but they have a daughter company
> in the 
> > > USA), or do them yourself many methods out there, results vary
 
> > > Simplest method and looking good is:
> > > 
> > > -prepare carefully the design
> > > -print it on a clear foil used for transparents in reverse (let it
> dry)
> > > -spray the printed side with paint you want the panel to be (let
> it dry)
> > > -glue to the panel after drilling the holes
> > > -cut the holes in the plastic
> > > -et voilà !
> > > 
> > > Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> > > =======================================================
> > > M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Le 20 déc. 2003, à 07:30, endlessnessisticman a écrit :

> Thanks for the info.  Some of the links don't work just like many
> other sites I've come across.  I think there is definite room for an
> updated DIY site to keep this together.

Yup

A lot of site disappear/reappear depending of the job position of their  
runner (it has been rather hard the last two years for some heavy  
DIYers), some are academics so if they move of position… Some drop out  
like the AH archives 2 days ago because of a super server megablast and  
poof! No more site.

It can be frustrating but Google is very helpful :)

> Thanks sbout the panel stuff.  I really want to make different boxes
> but I may have to put a rack together.  Many have rack designs.  I
> wouln't know how to get metal boxes unless I knew a fabricator.

You're better off buying those, if you are not into metal work, drop it!
Much easier is drilling :)

> You don't like MOTM?  I was thinking about them before.

For me they sound dead, but it's personal, some are thinking of it as a  
marvel.
Those here on Analogue Heaven too should be aware of the raging wars  
going on for 2 years now.

What kind of sound do you want it to be ? that's the real question.  
There is nearly no bad modular systems, just different uses and sounds.

> I saw that ucapps thing yesterday.  That looks cool.  Keep it on
> topic.  That's ucapps.de

:)

> I think I'm gonna get one of the Paia 9700s and build some effect
> pedals.  Also do some of the simple fatman mods.

Be aware it's not a simple job (ENV has more than 450 components) and  
you'll need a scope in order to tune the VCOs properly. A friend of  
mine did it around Christmas last year, he had a hard time.

Now it's a good little modular to start with. As it's +-12V, it has  
little difficulties interfacing with +-15V stuff. But the quality is  
unbeatable.

EFMs are great but a little electronic knowledge helps.

Myself I have at the iron tip:

EFM Wildcat
EFM VCADSR (2)
EFM VCLFO
Blacet DSC2000 (3)
Lots of CGS stuff (Steiner Parker filter, Psycho LFO, Wave multiplier…)

And an Orgon Enigiser Modular to restore.

Do all the fatman mods you can, it changes into a very good synth.

> Thanks again Denis.  Macmusic.org rocks.

(blush)

> Oh, and do you think things like my Edirol UM-1S can be used in OSX to
> synch my Machinedrum (keep on topic) in the future?  I went to Edirol
> site to get the driver and they only have it in os9.  Does this mean I
> should run programs in os9 to use the device until they might make it
> for osx?

They are issuing drivers one by one, is there hint they will deliver  
one for it?
If you don't have a clue, the best is to nicely ask them.

But it's of no use:
http://www.edirol.it/europe/drivers.asp? 
id=12&la=UK&gid=1&os=9&label=Mac+OS+X

;)

Note that M-Audio/Edirol drivers are unfortunately known to be  
unreliable and buggy sometimes. Usually it's better on PCs but there  
are horror stories too… NEVER trust them feature wise till you've used  
the stuff. I've seen so much trouble over their products in the last  
year I can't simply believe when they say it works.

Try it! Until someone tries, we can be sure it works 100%

Le 20 déc. 2003, à 08:50, phonophobie a écrit :

> i just checked out some links you posted .... WOW ! those DIY SID
> PROJECTS are awesome !

I was sure some here would find the URL WORTHY :D

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Thanks for all the cool info Denis.  I really want to get the 
soldering iron plugged in but my fatman is in the states and I'm in 
Korea.

The UM-1S is very reliable.  It is a simple USB to Midi in/out.  
I've never had problems with it.  I do all my OS and sysex transfers 
with it on my PC no problem.  Now I'm getting on with mac.  I guess 
I'll have to wait until everyone catches up to the Panther.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my 
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> 
> Le 20 d?. 2003, ?07:30, endlessnessisticman a ?rit :
> 
> > Thanks for the info.  Some of the links don't work just like many
> > other sites I've come across.  I think there is definite room 
for an
> > updated DIY site to keep this together.
> 
> Yup
> 
> A lot of site disappear/reappear depending of the job position of 
their  
> runner (it has been rather hard the last two years for some heavy  
> DIYers), some are academics so if they move of position?Some drop 
out  
> like the AH archives 2 days ago because of a super server 
megablast and  
> poof! No more site.
> 
> It can be frustrating but Google is very helpful :)
> 
> > Thanks sbout the panel stuff.  I really want to make different 
boxes
> > but I may have to put a rack together.  Many have rack designs.  
I
> > wouln't know how to get metal boxes unless I knew a fabricator.
> 
> You're better off buying those, if you are not into metal work, 
drop it!
> Much easier is drilling :)
> 
> > You don't like MOTM?  I was thinking about them before.
> 
> For me they sound dead, but it's personal, some are thinking of it 
as a  
> marvel.
> Those here on Analogue Heaven too should be aware of the raging 
wars  
> going on for 2 years now.
> 
> What kind of sound do you want it to be ? that's the real 
question.  
> There is nearly no bad modular systems, just different uses and 
sounds.
> 
> > I saw that ucapps thing yesterday.  That looks cool.  Keep it on
> > topic.  That's ucapps.de
> 
> :)
> 
> > I think I'm gonna get one of the Paia 9700s and build some effect
> > pedals.  Also do some of the simple fatman mods.
> 
> Be aware it's not a simple job (ENV has more than 450 components) 
and  
> you'll need a scope in order to tune the VCOs properly. A friend 
of  
> mine did it around Christmas last year, he had a hard time.
> 
> Now it's a good little modular to start with. As it's +-12V, it 
has  
> little difficulties interfacing with +-15V stuff. But the quality 
is  
> unbeatable.
> 
> EFMs are great but a little electronic knowledge helps.
> 
> Myself I have at the iron tip:
> 
> EFM Wildcat
> EFM VCADSR (2)
> EFM VCLFO
> Blacet DSC2000 (3)
> Lots of CGS stuff (Steiner Parker filter, Psycho LFO, Wave 
multiplier?
> 
> And an Orgon Enigiser Modular to restore.
> 
> Do all the fatman mods you can, it changes into a very good synth.
> 
> > Thanks again Denis.  Macmusic.org rocks.
> 
> (blush)
> 
> > Oh, and do you think things like my Edirol UM-1S can be used in 
OSX to
> > synch my Machinedrum (keep on topic) in the future?  I went to 
Edirol
> > site to get the driver and they only have it in os9.  Does this 
mean I
> > should run programs in os9 to use the device until they might 
make it
> > for osx?
> 
> They are issuing drivers one by one, is there hint they will 
deliver  
> one for it?
> If you don't have a clue, the best is to nicely ask them.
> 
> But it's of no use:
> http://www.edirol.it/europe/drivers.asp? 
> id=12&la=UK&gid=1&os=9&label=Mac+OS+X
> 
> ;)
> 
> Note that M-Audio/Edirol drivers are unfortunately known to be  
> unreliable and buggy sometimes. Usually it's better on PCs but 
there  
> are horror stories too?NEVER trust them feature wise till you've 
used  
> the stuff. I've seen so much trouble over their products in the 
last  

> year I can't simply believe when they say it works.
> 
> Try it! Until someone tries, we can be sure it works 100%
> 
> Le 20 d?. 2003, ?08:50, phonophobie a ?rit :
> 
> > i just checked out some links you posted .... WOW ! those DIY SID
> > PROJECTS are awesome !
> 
> I was sure some here would find the URL WORTHY :D
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Le 22 déc. 2003, à 04:20, endlessnessisticman a écrit :

> Thanks for all the cool info Denis.  I really want to get the
> soldering iron plugged in but my fatman is in the states and I'm in
> Korea.

What an idea! ;)

> The UM-1S is very reliable.  It is a simple USB to Midi in/out.
> I've never had problems with it.  I do all my OS and sysex transfers
> with it on my PC no problem.  Now I'm getting on with mac.  I guess
> I'll have to wait until everyone catches up to the Panther.

Please I know what the UM-1S is :)

I'm not absolute as there are people with no problem whatsoever. But 
the general quality of M-Audio and Edirol drivers is poor. It's way 
better on PCs, but you can have the same troubles (depends of many 
details so…), and I'm fed up with the troubles they give to mac users I 
see everyday.

Just a question of developpement quality (just like MOTU is GREAT on 
macs and "not quite so" on PCs)
I can't warrant it'll work at first start up. I can't warrant it'll be 
fixed if there's a problem.

You'll have to try ;P

This said, still no users has complained on MM forums about the UM-1S 
under OSX as far as I've seen. Let's see.

And I'm not sure you rightly understood, THERE ARE OSX DRIVERS for 
UM-1S ;)

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my 
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:

> What I've never understood is why Elektron has chosen to use AC/AC 
> stabilized wall warts with a lot of current. even if they are 
sturdy, 
> it's not by the shelf units so … I'd be happy to know the reason 
behind 
> this choice.

AC is a very good starting point for making different voltages, 
without burning everything up in heat! Going from 12V to 3V DC makes 
three quarters of the energi do just heat and no other good. With 6V 
AC (Which is 12V top to top) and a transformer inside we can pick up 
all kind of nice voltages without producing too much heat. And we 
want to have a kind of high voltage to get a good top-voltage for the 
outputs to get the transients right.

Daniel

Le 22 déc. 2003, à 23:55, daniel_elektron a écrit :

> And we
> want to have a kind of high voltage to get a good top-voltage for the
> outputs to get the transients right.

mhmmm sweetie thing

Thanks Daniel, never thought about the thing that way. %)

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org