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[MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

[MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-01 by tahvenaine2002

[BUGS]

1. SONG-SLOT REMEMBERED WRONG
after a fresh restart of the MD, enter song mode then try to save the 
song; regardless of which slot the song was originally saved to, the 
MD will try to save it to the first slot; which pisses me off 
enormously because I've lost at least a few songs when I wasn't 
watching carefully enough (and didn't expect the bug)


2. THE FAMOUS MUTE-BUG IN SONG MODE
In song mode, if the scale setup LED is lit for the second portion of 
the pattern, then song mutes can't be changed; changing it to the 
first portion of the pattern fixes the 
problem (though clearly this isn't right)


3. LFO SPEED INACCURACY
Another inaccuracy in the MD occurs in the LFO's at high speeds. 
Here's an example using just 2 tracks. I set up the CH track to trig 
on all notes (16ths), with no locks. Then, I set up one (and only 
one) trig on the very first note of the OH track. I set up the LFO on 
the OH track to modulate the VOLUME of the CH track. I use a 50/50 
mix between a triangle and square LFO shape. I set the LFO to "TRIG" 
mode, and set the depth to 127. Now I press PLAY and set the pattern 
looping, and set the LFO speed to something slow (maybe9). Now just 
listen to that loop, what you get is some nice modulation of the 
hihat's volume. Because I've set the LFO to "TRIG", and placed one 
trig at the start of the OH track, the modulation resets at the 
beginning of each bar. This is a nice trick. Try tweaking the LFO 
speed a little (still slowish) and you get different variations in 
your hihat rhythm. The nice thing is that the modulation is not 
random like when the LFO is set to "FREE". The modulation resets 
every bar, so you get predictable results. Every time the pattern 
loops it sounds exactly the same, as it should. However, here's where 
the MD goes wrong: Try pushing the LFO speed up to 127. You'll notice 
that with each loop some variations start to creep in. At the low 
speeds every loop was identical, but at high speeds the MD can't keep 
up (with whatever calculations its making), and so each loop starts 
sounding audibly different. If you turn the LFO speed down, you 
should be able to find the speed at which  the MD starts to return to 
normal, with every bar sounding identical.

4. TRACK CLEAR UNDO DOESN'T WORK 
Fixing the track clear undo (which was implemented in the last OS 
revision but never worked) would be a nice start though :)


5. PARAMETER LOCK ERROR WITH LINKED MACHINES
Take one machine and link it to e12-machine (this is easiest to 
hear). Now sequence the machine and e12 triggers nicely. Fine. Now go 
to track with e-12 machine and put one parameterlock there with long 
retrigs. Now play the original pattern and you should notice that the 
e-12 machine stays on parameterlock after the seq has run over 
parameterlock and it won't change to normal. This makes it impossible 
to do velocity sensitive snareing with linkable snares, because when 
you do parameter lock on original machine the second machine has too 
much volume, ok you go to second machine track and fix it with 
parameter lock and then the volumes stays there and the next snare 
sounds wrong.


6. MONOMACHINE AND MACHINEDRUM MIDI LATENCY
I've been building my homestudio and been trying to setup everything 
to answer my musicmaking techniques. Ive setup the elektron gear this 
way: Cubase SX sends midiclock to both units via RME hammerfall 
midiport. With the midiclock it also sends transport commands (Start, 
stop, continue). Then I I've setup Monomachine and Machinedrum so 
that they receive transport commands, but do not use midiclock. This 
way because I want solid bpm timing and I'm using songmode (chopping 
patterns) a lot. So now I have dreamsetup where I can for example put 
cubase to loop 8 measures and when I hit play from cubase, all 
machines start ticking in sync and I can start sequnecing both MM and 
MD. Well I almost have it and here comes the problem: I've noticed 
and measured that Monomachine reacts to miditransport- command (play) 
in about few ms (4.5 exatcly on my rme midiport). But in the 
Machinedrum it takes about 25 ms!! So you can see it's reacting to 
play command pretty slowly, which makes hard to do groovy hihats 
(exepts if you want a really groovyones :) Is this something that 
have been overlooked possibly or somekind of bug or just the way it 
is and which can't be changed?? This is not a audiocard latency since 
I've tried it with  1.5 ms latency from rme card and I can get tight 
timing with Monomachine.


7. MACHINEDRUM TEMPO DRIFTING!!
Machinedrum tempo seems to drift sometimes. It can be reproduced very 
easily. Make up quite long song with different kits and patterns (you 
can also set some offset's and mutes but maybe it doesn't matter). 
Now if you want to record every single sound to it's own channel 
throught MD Dynamix you need to mute other tracks than BD (for 
example) and play song from start to end with computer (or something 
else) recording it. Do record the BD two times with different tracks. 
After something like 60 bars you start to see drifting of kick sounds 
(and this happens when MD is Master!!). I've gotten over 30 ms 
differencies at the end of files. I know it can't be perfect, but 
this is just too much. Try recording snare and the hihats and you 
will see (and hear!!) how they drift at the end of files!. Should be 
corrected, if possible!



[FEATURE REQUESTS]

1. DIFFERENT ACCENTS WITH DIFFERENT TRACKS
feature to adjust the accent parameter for each machine separately. I 
might want to add accents to the hihats, but not to the bassdrum for 
example. It would make the accent feature more powerful and usable.


2. INDICATOR OF PLAYING PATTERN
A blinking led for the pattern wich is playing when pressing bank 
select. That way you don't have to fiddle a knob to minimize the mute 
screen to look at the tiny pattern number.


3. DIFFERENT STYLE OF PALYING PATTERNS
Id LOVE to see a way to jump to a new pattern without it being qued 
for playing, so you could: Have A01 playing, copy it. Jump to A02 
with A01 still playing, paste A01 onto A02. Make some changes, and 
then switch playback to the new pattern in A02. Would be really handy 
for live jamming


4. NEW GND-MACHINES
I´d like to suggest the incorporation of new GND machines. More 
specifically 2 new machines with pulse (with PWM if possible) and saw 
waveforms. I guess these wouldn´t take up much memory since these 
waveforms are already used as LFO modulators and they would increase 
the sound possibilities of the MD a lot. Another one would be some 
sort of color knob for the noise machine.


5. FINER NOTE LENGHT WITH MIDI MACHINES 
I would love a finer setting possible for note length on midi 
machines... the current setting is way to coarse for getting what I'd 
like to.


6. SOME THINGS TO BE COPIED FROM MONOMACHINE
Monomachine seams to have better EQ and Distortion. Maybe these could 
be copied to MD also (especially the distortion, which seems pretty 
weka now). Mono have better way of using Midi-cc's. Could be done 
this way with Machinedrum also.


7. TRX-B3 WITH PITCH ENVELOPE SPEED SETTING
TRX-B2 is a very good kick-machine but with one flaw. The speed of 
the pitch-envelope cannot be changed! It's is tuned way too slow and 
you can hear the 'ziiuuupp' very clearly. Ok, somebody want's it and 
some don't, but as I understand the machine is designed for special 
type of kick (let's call it the 'oommmpphh' kick) and makes it with 
really good hold parameter. I would like to see TRX-B3 with one 
distortion-knob taken away and put ramp-speed knob instead. I think 
molding the basic sound character (to fit the song) is way more 
important and effecting it with distortion or something else.


8. SCREEN FOR MULTIPLE KNOB ADJUSTS!
Imagine this in live-situation: A screen with one SRR, DELAY, AM, 
DISTORTION AND FILTER. Every knob in postion 64. Now you tweak the 
SRR to 96 and every tracks SRR value is moved +32, instat robo-
electro. You tweak it back and everything is normal again. Try same 
thing with delay, instat dub! Now tweak with you both hands, very 
nice live-possiability!!! If this could be also controlled from it's 
own track with parameter locks!!! Huh, what a machine!! This is 
basicly the same thing that Monomachine does with its joystick. Maybe 
this could be implemented to MD in a form of a screen, in which you 
would enter by pressing [function]+extended (extended tweak!) or 
something else!


9. WAY TO CHANGE OTHER TRACKS VOLUME
Press [function] and twist Level button and every other tracks level 
is changed. Very handy in situations where you need more volume to 
snare, but it's allready in maximum!


10. NEW MACHINES OF COURSE!!
New machines would be nice as always. Anything...

Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-01 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:

> 6. SOME THINGS TO BE COPIED FROM MONOMACHINE
> Monomachine seams to have better EQ and Distortion. Maybe these
> could be copied to MD also (especially the distortion, which seems
> pretty weak now). Mono have better way of using Midi-cc's. Could be
> done this way with Machinedrum also.

Some of the features suggested, like the one above, would change the 
overall sound of the Machinedrum. That would mean that all patches 
would potentially sound differently, and potentially be ruined! This 
is something we have avoided so far after the initial 1.0 release of 
our machines. It's always "safe" to upgrade.

Would you prefer things to be improved, although it could mean that 
your current work would be affected? Also this could mean that people 
could be split in two halves, one that prefered the old sound, and 
one that prefer the new sound, perhaps avoiding the new upgrade.

I guess this is more of a retoric question, so I don't need a reply 
from everyone, but just to let you know that this might be a reason 
for us to not do certain things, even though we haven't made it a 
totally strict policy (yet).

Daniel

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-01 by not known

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote: 

>>>Some of the features suggested, like the one above,
would change the 
overall sound of the Machinedrum. That would mean that
all patches 
would potentially sound differently, and potentially
be ruined! This 
is something we have avoided so far after the initial
1.0 release of 
our machines. It's always "safe" to upgrade.<<<

>>>Would you prefer things to be improved, although it
could mean that 
your current work would be affected? Also this could
mean that people 
could be split in two halves, one that prefered the
old sound, and 
one that prefer the new sound, perhaps avoiding the
new upgrade.<<<
-------------------------------------

just out of curiosity, would it be possible to
implement a setting on the global level that would
allow users to switch between the new and "classic"
settings, so that each user can decide for themselves
which is preferable (or, conversely, switch between
two entirely different versions of their saved kits)?
just curious... I thought I'd offer the idea as a
possible workaround to the problem you mention above.

cheers,
kevin

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[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-01 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> 
wrote:

> just out of curiosity, would it be possible to
> implement a setting on the global level that would
> allow users to switch between the new and "classic"
> settings, so that each user can decide for themselves
> which is preferable (or, conversely, switch between
> two entirely different versions of their saved kits)?
> just curious... I thought I'd offer the idea as a
> possible workaround to the problem you mention above.

Probably technically possible, but I would prefer not doing this. 

Daniel

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-01 by rajcoont@hotmail.com

> 
>> >Would you prefer things to be improved, although it could mean that
>> >your current work would be affected?
> 
> no,  I am not a huge fan of the distorion, moreso reverb, and even moreso the
> SRR, but at the same time, I have 64 kits that use all of these to some degree
> or another, and I would definitely say that it¹s too late in the game to
> change things like this...it¹s not like a nice distortion plug-in, or pedal
> even cant be had for free or next to nothing.  I have a lot of hope to see new
> sounds and features added to the MD, but things that will effect the current
> kits get a big ¹NO¹ from me 



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Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by not known

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote: 
---------------------------------
Probably technically possible, but I would prefer not
doing this. 

Daniel
---------------------------------

I guess I don't understand why not, when it is
something that would satsify both sides of the
argument, keeping both the folks who don't want their
current sounds to change *and* the folks who want new
features happy. seems like a fair compromise, no?

I mean, if it's something that would be a lot of
trouble to do based on the current structure of the
code, or something like that, then I can understand.
but just saying "I don't feel like doing it" almost
makes it sound like you don't give a shit about the
suggestions of people who've already spent their money
on your products. not necessarily the best PR. 

cheers,
kevin


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[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by steril707

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> 
wrote:
> --- daniel_elektron <daniel@e...> wrote: 
> ---------------------------------
> Probably technically possible, but I would prefer not
> doing this. 
> 
> Daniel
> ---------------------------------
> 
> I guess I don't understand why not, when it is
> something that would satsify both sides of the
> argument, keeping both the folks who don't want their
> current sounds to change *and* the folks who want new
> features happy. seems like a fair compromise, no?
> 
> I mean, if it's something that would be a lot of
> trouble to do based on the current structure of the
> code, or something like that, then I can understand.
> but just saying "I don't feel like doing it" almost
> makes it sound like you don't give a shit about the
> suggestions of people who've already spent their money
> on your products. not necessarily the best PR. 
> 
> cheers,
> kevin
-------------------

cool down, dude....

part of the magic of the MD is that things can be done in a clear 
way, and complicating things up more and more with "mode switches" is 
definitely the wrong way to go. I thought the same thing like you a 
while ago, but i feel Daniel is right on that point. Dividing up the 
sound engine into 1000 different ways is simply not helpful in the 
end.  

Elektron is simply the company with the best usersupport existing, 
and almost every other company would do fine to chop some slices of 
that behaviour for their support team.

Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by endlessnessisticman

[bugs]

1.  [lockup after note paste]  During note copy and paste I often 
get a lockup of certain parts.  Several parameters are highlighted 
on the pasted note and some mutes don't work or sounds don't come 
out.  This all happens after I copied a note (which has some 
paramter locks of course) and just as I paste it while in record 
mode and while the sequence is running.

[feature request]

1. [saving outputs] I would like to see some of the things in the 
global menu saved in the kit.  Especially something like routing 
outputs.  It would be nice to save it to each kit as a kind of 
option.

2. [mixer (in master effects?)] It would be nice to have just a 
master mixer menu to get all the levels changed easily possibly in 
the master effects menu.  Something similar to the Akai mpc.  Have 
the 16 parts in rows going across.  Each row has the bar for the 
volume like each machine currently does.  Use the encoder to switch 
between channels.

3.  [input machines]  These could use some work.  Sometimes I hear a 
sound when I think I shouldn't like with the gated machine.  Maybe 
an updated manual that explains these machines better like you did 
with the MnM.

4.  [live midi note record]  This would be great.  All you'd need 
would be for the MD to recieve note information not length.  It 
would make sequencing much easier.

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by Joe

On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 03:26:30AM -0000, endlessnessisticman wrote:
>    1. [saving outputs] I would like to see some of the things in the
>    global menu saved in the kit.  Especially something like routing
>    outputs.  It would be nice to save it to each kit as a kind of
>    option.

I agree!

>    2. [mixer (in master effects?)] It would be nice to have just a
>    master mixer menu to get all the levels changed easily possibly in
>    the master effects menu.  Something similar to the Akai mpc.  Have
>    the 16 parts in rows going across.  Each row has the bar for the
>    volume like each machine currently does.  Use the encoder to switch
>    between channels.

or instead, use the sixteen step buttons to select a channel to mix, then
use the encoder to adjust its volume. otherwise, excellent suggestion.

>    3.  [input machines]  These could use some work.  Sometimes I hear a
>    sound when I think I shouldn't like with the gated machine.  Maybe
>    an updated manual that explains these machines better like you did
>    with the MnM.

I also hear sound through the input machine when I should not. for example,
if I use a kit with an input machine and then switch to one that doesn't have
an input machine, I will still hear the input (usually the Sidstation using
the input gate!).

>    4.  [live midi note record]  This would be great.  All you'd need
>    would be for the MD to recieve note information not length.  It
>    would make sequencing much easier.

I also agree on this one. but since it's not in the MnM, I doubt it will
be in the MD :-(

Joe

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by not known

---------------------------------
steril707 <steril707@...> wrote: 

cool down, dude....
---------------------------------

huh???? I'm perfectly calm... ????

---------------------------------
steril707 <steril707@...> wrote:

part of the magic of the MD is that things can be done
in a clear 
way, and complicating things up more and more with
"mode switches" is 
definitely the wrong way to go. I thought the same
thing like you a 
while ago, but i feel Daniel is right on that point.
Dividing up the 
sound engine into 1000 different ways is simply not
helpful in the 
end.  
---------------------------------

that's fine, and it's a fair point. I guess I was just
more annoyed by the way the idea initially seemed to
be brushed off without much thought. at least you've
made a compelling argument for why they shouldn't go
down that road with the MD. and when I think about it
some more, I can see your point. 

---------------------------------
steril707 <steril707@...> wrote:

Elektron is simply the company with the best
usersupport existing, 
and almost every other company would do fine to chop
some slices of 
that behaviour for their support team.
---------------------------------

oh, no argument there. Elektron's user support it
great! and other companies could definitely learn a
thing or two from them. that wasn't really the issue
in the first place.

I guess the bottom line is just that I'd rather have
read "it's tricky to do with the code" or "we don't
want to complicate the interface", instead of "I just
don't want to do it". just an explanation, that's all
I ask! not an unreasonable request, is it?

for all I know, I could be treading ground that's been
covered before - I don't read every message to the
list, unfortunately, due to time constraints - so if
this has been covered before, I apologize for beating
a dead horse.

cheers,
kevin

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Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by onosendai

Adding a switch in the global setting to chose the EQ i want seems to me
very very easy to understand.
If you think it's to complicated for you just touch this setting and your MD
will be as easy to handle as before, and let the one who want the best sound
have it :)

ono
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> part of the magic of the MD is that things can be done in a clear
> way, and complicating things up more and more with "mode switches" is
> definitely the wrong way to go. I thought the same thing like you a
> while ago, but i feel Daniel is right on that point. Dividing up the
> sound engine into 1000 different ways is simply not helpful in the
> end.

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by aeon

on 2/1/04 1:25 PM, daniel_elektron wrote:

> Some of the features suggested...would change the overall sound of the
> Machinedrum. That would mean that all patches would potentially sound
> differently, and potentially be ruined! This is something we have avoided so
> far after the initial 1.0 release of our machines. It's always "safe" to
> upgrade.
> 
> Would you prefer things to be improved, although it could mean that your
> current work would be affected?

YES, YES, YES...I cannot say YES loud enough on this issue!!!

> Also this could mean that people could be split in two halves, one that
> prefered the old sound, and one that prefer the new sound, perhaps avoiding
> the new upgrade.

Those who would prefer the old sound could always choose not to upgrade,
simple as that.

> I guess this is more of a retoric question, so I don't need a reply from
> everyone, but just to let you know that this might be a reason for us to not
> do certain things, even though we haven't made it a totally strict policy
> (yet).

Please consider it...it could improve the MD SPS-1 so very much.

Living by principle is a good thing only when it yields good results. ;)


cheers,
aeon

[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by schmackofanz

i think what David wants to avoid is opening a giant can of worms.
changing the OS like that would probably involve a drastic rewrite and could introduce 
all kinds of new bugs along the way.

Hans

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> wrote:
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> --- daniel_elektron <daniel@e...> wrote: 
> ---------------------------------
> Probably technically possible, but I would prefer not
> doing this. 
> 
> Daniel
> ---------------------------------
> 
> I guess I don't understand why not, when it is
> something that would satsify both sides of the
> argument, keeping both the folks who don't want their
> current sounds to change *and* the folks who want new
> features happy. seems like a fair compromise, no?
> 
> I mean, if it's something that would be a lot of
> trouble to do based on the current structure of the
> code, or something like that, then I can understand.
> but just saying "I don't feel like doing it" almost
> makes it sound like you don't give a shit about the
> suggestions of people who've already spent their money
> on your products. not necessarily the best PR. 
> 
> cheers,
> kevin
> 
> 
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Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by amos luyk

Hi guys

>at least you've
>made a compelling argument for why they shouldn't go
>down that road with the MD. and when I think about it
>some more, I can see your point.

Actually, the more I think about it, the less I see your point!
Adding a global switch like that does not really complicate things at all. 
It does however give Electron a chance to fix some things that NEED fixing, 
like the awful distortion, and the less than usable SRR.
Since this will be our last update, this is important! Sure, some wont want 
their kits to change, but at the cost of the rest of us having a less 
'perfect' machine than I think Elektron can make, and than we as customers 
deserve.
I bought one of the first 200 MDs, and the implementation of distortion and 
SRR are the things that have most annoyed me. I would even pay a cash fee 
(100 euros maybe?) for the OS that fixes them (with maybe a couple more 
machines... GNDs and 909 hats maybe?).
Or perhaps I have to wait for a new one to be designed and built...? Much as 
we all like the latest thing, I bought the MD as the only 4/4 based drum 
machine I would ever need. It has mostly filled that role. Improve the eq, 
distortion and SRR, and for me it will be.

just a few happy thoughts =0)
amos

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RE: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by amos luyk

Of course if this is so, then that's OK. What we have here is a request to 
not close down options unless it really is unfeasable. If it can be done at 
an acceptable cost, many (most?) of us would like any improvements 
possible..

thinking happy thoughts
a

>i think what David wants to avoid is opening a giant can of worms.
>changing the OS like that would probably involve a drastic rewrite and 
>could introduce
>all kinds of new bugs along the way.
>
>Hans
>
>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> wrote:
> > --- daniel_elektron <daniel@e...> wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Probably technically possible, but I would prefer not
> > doing this.
> >
> > Daniel
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > I guess I don't understand why not, when it is
> > something that would satsify both sides of the
> > argument, keeping both the folks who don't want their
> > current sounds to change *and* the folks who want new
> > features happy. seems like a fair compromise, no?
> >
> > I mean, if it's something that would be a lot of
> > trouble to do based on the current structure of the
> > code, or something like that, then I can understand.
> > but just saying "I don't feel like doing it" almost
> > makes it sound like you don't give a shit about the
> > suggestions of people who've already spent their money
> > on your products. not necessarily the best PR.
> >
> > cheers,
> > kevin
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>

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Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by aeon

on 2/2/04 3:24 AM, amos luyk wrote:

> I bought one of the first 200 MDs, and the implementation of distortion and
> SRR are the things that have most annoyed me. I would even pay a cash fee
> (100 euros maybe?) for the OS that fixes them (with maybe a couple more
> machines... GNDs and 909 hats maybe?).
> Or perhaps I have to wait for a new one to be designed and built...? Much as
> we all like the latest thing, I bought the MD as the only 4/4 based drum
> machine I would ever need. It has mostly filled that role. Improve the eq,
> distortion and SRR, and for me it will be.

amos, I so agree with you!

I would love a better distortion algo...now, I know that
good-sounding distortion in the digital realm is not such
an easy thing to do, especially if you want to keep the
total DSP use low, but the MD SPS-1 could really benefit
from a new distortion algorithm.

as it concerns the SRR...I have no real use for it.
I know some people may like it, and I respect that,
but to me, the ability to introduce quantization error
via bit-depth reduction (BDR) would be *so* much better
than sample-rate reduction (SRR)...IMHO. I and other
users have asked for this on the MD SPS-1 for so long
now, and I hope this time around that Elektron would at
least consider it, especially since so many MD users
consider SRR to be useless, especially in its current
incarnation.


cheers,
aeon

[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by steril707

who says that you want all those different changes on your MD that 
people ask for? Better Distortion and BRR instead of SRR is what you 
want, but maybe there are some things creeping into the sound that 
especially you dont like, but other people crave for... 

Will you have a switch for every function that may alter the 
sound/patterns? 

if you load a pattern/kit from the internet, will it still work with 
your new sound design, or will those be obsolete?

this, and one thousand other small problems...

i am also not completely happy with the way some things work out on 
the MD, but i realize that those won't change without sacrificing 
the "standard".

peace out,
Steril




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "amos luyk" <amosluyk@h...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> >at least you've
> >made a compelling argument for why they shouldn't go
> >down that road with the MD. and when I think about it
> >some more, I can see your point.
> 
> Actually, the more I think about it, the less I see your point!
> Adding a global switch like that does not really complicate things 
at all. 
> It does however give Electron a chance to fix some things that NEED 
fixing, 
> like the awful distortion, and the less than usable SRR.
> Since this will be our last update, this is important! Sure, some 
wont want 
> their kits to change, but at the cost of the rest of us having a 
less 
> 'perfect' machine than I think Elektron can make, and than we as 
customers 
> deserve.
> I bought one of the first 200 MDs, and the implementation of 
distortion and 
> SRR are the things that have most annoyed me. I would even pay a 
cash fee 
> (100 euros maybe?) for the OS that fixes them (with maybe a couple 
more 
> machines... GNDs and 909 hats maybe?).
> Or perhaps I have to wait for a new one to be designed and 
built...? Much as 
> we all like the latest thing, I bought the MD as the only 4/4 based 
drum 
> machine I would ever need. It has mostly filled that role. Improve 
the eq, 
> distortion and SRR, and for me it will be.
> 
> just a few happy thoughts =0)
> amos
> 
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Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by amos luyk

Hey Aeon,


>the ability to introduce quantization error
>via bit-depth reduction (BDR) would be *so* much better
>than sample-rate reduction (SRR)

at the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society..... yes, yes and 
thrice yes! I so occasionally use the SRR, but only occasionally... 
something new would be better (although I would grudgingly settle for a more 
useful range on the SRR =0))

thinking happy thoughts
amos

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RE: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by amos luyk

Hey Steril...


>i am also not completely happy with the way some things work out on
>the MD, but i realize that those won't change without sacrificing
>the "standard".

just a thought, but do we all really want to be part of a 'standard'. Its 
all very nice downloading other peoples kits etc, but isnt the point of a 
machine like the MD to render pattern and kit building so simple that it's 
not necessary to use other peoples work? I just want to be unique... I 
don;'t crave standardisation at all.

Also, we are not talking about changing lots of little things, but a couple 
of the big things. The distortion and SRR have been issues for the majority 
of users since the MD came out.

It's just so much fun doing this =0)

thinking happy thoughts
amos

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[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by steril707

Hello Amos,

i can feel where ya coming from, but you have to realize that you are 
not every customer of the MD out there.

Elektron has to care about all their customers, and splitting up the 
OS is definitely not something to do lightly in that regard.

Off course being part of a "standard" is not desirable as an artist, 
but keeping things in one line is important for a company.

I would be definitely quite happy when those changes would happen 
(since i dont care that much about my old kits and patterns at all 
and always crave new features), but i see why the people at Elektron 
might think otherwise, and it has been discussed here sometimes 
already.

peace out,
Steril





> Hey Steril...
> 
> 
> >i am also not completely happy with the way some things work out on
> >the MD, but i realize that those won't change without sacrificing
> >the "standard".
> 
> just a thought, but do we all really want to be part of 
a 'standard'. Its 
> all very nice downloading other peoples kits etc, but isnt the 
point of a 
> machine like the MD to render pattern and kit building so simple 
that it's 
> not necessary to use other peoples work? I just want to be 
unique... I 
> don;'t crave standardisation at all.
> 
> Also, we are not talking about changing lots of little things, but 
a couple 
> of the big things. The distortion and SRR have been issues for the 
majority 
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> of users since the MD came out.
> 
> It's just so much fun doing this =0)
> 
> thinking happy thoughts
> amos
> 
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Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by fordgranadabreak

Hello

nobody told how to improve song mode?

I use MD as my unique sequencer and it requires a lot of time in 
order to build a complete song.

It could be better if it was possible to insert a pattern in the 
middle of a song, without rebuild all the song till the end. Or 
perhaps is there a function I haven't discovered yet...
For example, it would be great to select a part of a song, copy it 
and paste it later in the song. Then mofify some mutes...

And the fact that it's possible to modify only the pattern which is 
reading is very frustrating. (better explain in old posts but my 
english is poor).

[elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "amos luyk" <amosluyk@h...> 
wrote:

> Since this will be our last update, this is important!

Who's said this? At least we haven't said this should be the last 
one.

...about the global switch discussion:

My personal view is that I don't like global switches because I like 
to keep the interface clean. I thought this was obvious from my 
earlier posts, sorry for not stating it and causing confusion. This 
is said before knowing anything about the complexity about doing any 
kind of changes to the DSP code. I just know that it's very tight in 
there, remember that we use the same amount of DSP power to generate 
16 tracks in the Machinedrum that we use for 6 tracks in the 
Monomachine.

Please stay calm, we now know what is most requested. Maybe a poll 
would be nice to know what people in general would like the most. 
Then reality takes with and limits what is really possible to do.

Daniel

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by Joe

On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 04:37:55PM -0000, fordgranadabreak wrote:
>    I use MD as my unique sequencer and it requires a lot of time in
>    order to build a complete song.
>    It could be better if it was possible to insert a pattern in the
>    middle of a song, without rebuild all the song till the end. Or
>    perhaps is there a function I haven't discovered yet...

there is: just press FUNCTION + DOWN to bump everything down and insert
a new row.  or press FUNCTION + UP to bump everything up and delete
the current row.

>    For example, it would be great to select a part of a song, copy it
>    and paste it later in the song. Then mofify some mutes...

yes, it would be nice to copy/paste a set of rows rather than one
row at a time.

Joe

Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-02 by fordgranadabreak

> 
> there is: just press FUNCTION + DOWN to bump everything down and 
insert
> a new row.  or press FUNCTION + UP to bump everything up and delete
> the current row.


Thanks a lot for your help joe. Next time, I will read the manual 
first :[

Re: [elektron] Re: [MD FEATURE REQUESTS AND BUGS LIST]

2004-02-03 by aeon

on 2/2/04 8:22 AM, steril707 wrote:

> Hello Amos,
> 
> i can feel where ya coming from, but you have to
> realize that you are  not every customer of the MD
> out there.

understood...but if you check the archives for this list,
those are two features that have been asked for many times
in the past.

> Elektron has to care about all their customers, and
> splitting up the OS is definitely not something to do
> lightly in that regard.

agreed, and I never wished for a split/dual OS, or any
kind of global switches...just a new implementation.

> Off course being part of a "standard" is not desirable
> as an artist, but keeping things in one line is
> important for a company.

a standard is fine if it gives better results, and in this
case, it is exactly what is being asked for...a new and
improved standard.

> I would be definitely quite happy when those changes
> would happen (since i dont care that much about my
> old kits and patterns at all and always crave new
> features), but i see why the people at Elektron might
> think otherwise, and it has been discussed here
> sometimes already.

I can also see why Elektron might think improving their
products to the delight of their customers might improve
customer loyalty and willingness to consider additional
Elektron products.

And discussion of the whys and wherefores is a good thing,
IMHO! :)


cheers,
aeon

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