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Hi all

I use my Emax II basically as a master keyboard these days. However, 
the boot floppy drive has become a little flaky. Is there any way to 
use the II as a master without the floppy.

I'm assuming not!

Regards

Stephen

Install a hard drive or add on a external storage drive so it can still boot up. The floppy 
drive is only necessary if you have no other storage media to boot from.


On 11 Oct 2004 at 8:35, stephen bennett spoke unto me:

> Hi all
> 
> I use my Emax II basically as a master keyboard these days. However,
> the boot floppy drive has become a little flaky. Is there any way to
> use the II as a master without the floppy.
> 
> I'm assuming not!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Stephen
> 
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--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote:
> Install a hard drive or add on a external storage drive so it can still boot up. The floppy 
> drive is only necessary if you have no other storage media to boot from.
> 

how do I get the OS onto a HD?

thanks

Stephen

If your floppy drive is already dead you will need to either get one ready to go (you can 
find them on Ebay or you will need to get an external drive like a Zip and get a 
preformatted Zip cartridge from someone on the list.

If your drive can work long enough all you need to do is run the format utillity Master 5.

On 12 Oct 2004 at 20:50, stephen bennett spoke unto me:

> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote: >
> Install a hard drive or add on a external storage drive so it can
> still boot up. The floppy > drive is only necessary if you have no
> other storage media to boot from. > 
> 
> how do I get the OS onto a HD?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Stephen
> 
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--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote:
> If your floppy drive is already dead you will need to either get 
one ready to go (you can 
> find them on Ebay or you will need to get an external drive like a 
Zip and get a 
> preformatted Zip cartridge from someone on the list.
> 
>

Thanks for all the help

Regards

Stephen

Hey!

I have some other experience when it comes to this (in fact, its still a 
problem for me) ..

I have an Emax, with hard drive, and a bad floppy. The floppy is so bad it 
thinks it consttantly has a disk inside it, and thus, the emax won't boot, 
since the floppy has higher boot prio.

I have tried to unplug the floppy, both power and the flat cable, but the 
machine never gets further than self diagnostics...

Since i have another machine with a working floppy, I have plugged that one 
in, and with that floppy drive installed, my Emax boots from its hard drive, 
as it should...

Is there any jumpers or anything that one should switch, or should it just be 
to unplug the flat cable to the floppy drive?

Effectively, this prevents me from having both emaxes running at the same 
time, even though I should have enough "healthy" components...

Any suggestions what to do? ... how should I unplug the drive so the machien 
doesnt halt in self diagnostics, or should i just let it run there for a long 
time before it realizes there's no floppy at all? ;)

thanks,
Micke

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:43:43 -0400, John Silveria wrote 
> Install a hard drive or add on a external storage drive so it can still 
boot up. The floppy 
> drive is only necessary if you have no other storage media to boot from. 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2004 at 8:35, stephen bennett spoke unto me: 
> 
> > Hi all 
> > 
> > I use my Emax II basically as a master keyboard these days. However, 
> > the boot floppy drive has become a little flaky. Is there any way to 
> > use the II as a master without the floppy. 
> > 
> > I'm assuming not! 
> > 
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> > 
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Hey all!

I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on one of my machines...
The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks there is a disk in it, 
therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...

I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord from the floppy AS it is 
trying to read from a non existent diskette, but other than that, it is 
pretty much stuck..

Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from the motherboard, but this 
causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and not boot up at all, due to 
it not getting any clearance from the floppy drive..

So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is sending something out to 
the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return ... anyone here have any 
knowledge about this?

thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to add a switch on top of the 
emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is trying to boot... ;)

//Micke

Hey!

here are some decent images of one of the two customized emaxes that i've 
modified for live use.

Also figuring, is one of the two APEX keyboard stands with a custom paint job

This is not sorted and there are some 80 pictures, but take a look thrugh 
the dark ones with blue light.. all that light is from the emax .. ;)

if you like em or hate em, i'd like to hear your feedback anyway =)

Please bare in mind that when i started working on the two emaxes, both of 
them were painted with a brush .... in a grey-green colour, so the menues 
and all were already gone.

The menu keys were painted in black rubber paint that was just peeling off, 
i managed to get it all off after a bit of work..

One of the machines had a faulty power supply, the other one had no power 
supply at all..

This one is the one i've built in another power supply into, and replaced 
the old OLD internal harddrive with a ZIPdrive.

Incidentally, it is the very same machine that has the broken floppy drive 
i just emailed about ... mechanical fault .. darn floppy thinks there's a 
disk in it, so it will not boot ... unless i unplug the floppy during 
startup...

anywa, enough ramblings, hope you enjoy the pics!

//Micke

I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal goes
down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
remember which.
I suppose you could install a switch.

I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
school, but it's been several years.

Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
floppy.

--- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:

> Hey all!
> 
> I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on one
> of my machines...
> The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
> there is a disk in it, 
> therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
> 
> I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord from
> the floppy AS it is 
> trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
> other than that, it is 
> pretty much stuck..
> 
> Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from the
> motherboard, but this 
> causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and not
> boot up at all, due to 
> it not getting any clearance from the floppy drive..
> 
> So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
> bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
> or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
> sending something out to 
> the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return ...
> anyone here have any 
> knowledge about this?
> 
> thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to add
> a switch on top of the 
> emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
> trying to boot... ;)
> 
> //Micke
> 
> 



		
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Uh...I don't see any pictures.


--- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> here are some decent images of one of the two
> customized emaxes that i've 
> modified for live use.
> 
> Also figuring, is one of the two APEX keyboard
> stands with a custom paint job
> 
> This is not sorted and there are some 80 pictures,
> but take a look thrugh 
> the dark ones with blue light.. all that light is
> from the emax .. ;)
> 
> if you like em or hate em, i'd like to hear your
> feedback anyway =)
> 
> Please bare in mind that when i started working on
> the two emaxes, both of 
> them were painted with a brush .... in a grey-green
> colour, so the menues 
> and all were already gone.
> 
> The menu keys were painted in black rubber paint
> that was just peeling off, 
> i managed to get it all off after a bit of work..
> 
> One of the machines had a faulty power supply, the
> other one had no power 
> supply at all..
> 
> This one is the one i've built in another power
> supply into, and replaced 
> the old OLD internal harddrive with a ZIPdrive.
> 
> Incidentally, it is the very same machine that has
> the broken floppy drive 
> i just emailed about ... mechanical fault .. darn
> floppy thinks there's a 
> disk in it, so it will not boot ... unless i unplug
> the floppy during 
> startup...
> 
> anywa, enough ramblings, hope you enjoy the pics!
> 
> //Micke
> 
> 



		
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Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on accessing the drive and 
returning with the error message that the disk isn't formatted ... regardles 
if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/

So, my options are:

1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks there is still a disk in 
the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes it actually manages to 
pass through this state, and sees that there is no disk .... 

What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey, i've got a disk here!" ... 
could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or is it something 
mechanical?

2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy check during startup, so 
it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode .... doesnt seem like an 
easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax bios?)

3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that gives the right signal back 
to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds like a real tough one...

4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power to the floppy when it 
acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save some power as well, but 
i'd rather not drill another hole in the case

So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to get #1 fixed... if i cant 
do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine to just unplug the power 
cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it is a dirty option imho ;)

Any other input and tips on how to get this work?

thanks,
Micke


On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote

> I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal goes
> down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
> remember which.
> I suppose you could install a switch.
> 
> I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
> school, but it's been several years.
> 
> Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
> Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
> floppy.
> 
> --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hey all!
> > 
> > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on one
> > of my machines...
> > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
> > there is a disk in it, 
> > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
> > 
> > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord from
> > the floppy AS it is 
> > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
> > other than that, it is 
> > pretty much stuck..
> > 
> > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from the
> > motherboard, but this 
> > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and not
> > boot up at all, due to 
> > it not getting any clearance from the floppy drive..
> > 
> > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
> > bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
> > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
> > sending something out to 
> > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return ...
> > anyone here have any 
> > knowledge about this?
> > 
> > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to add
> > a switch on top of the 
> > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
> > trying to boot... ;)
> > 
> > //Micke
> > 
> >
> 
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D'oh!

A long email and no link! Me bad!

http://www.lvls.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01&page=3

There are pictures .. .about 80 of them in total ... first 2 pages are just 
images of the keyboard stands, page3 and onwards features the emax ... ;)

//Micke

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:07:06 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote

> Uh...I don't see any pictures.
> 
> --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hey!
> > 
> > here are some decent images of one of the two
> > customized emaxes that i've 
> > modified for live use.
> > 
> > Also figuring, is one of the two APEX keyboard
> > stands with a custom paint job
> > 
> > This is not sorted and there are some 80 pictures,
> > but take a look thrugh 
> > the dark ones with blue light.. all that light is
> > from the emax .. ;)
> > 
> > if you like em or hate em, i'd like to hear your
> > feedback anyway =)
> > 
> > Please bare in mind that when i started working on
> > the two emaxes, both of 
> > them were painted with a brush .... in a grey-green
> > colour, so the menues 
> > and all were already gone.
> > 
> > The menu keys were painted in black rubber paint
> > that was just peeling off, 
> > i managed to get it all off after a bit of work..
> > 
> > One of the machines had a faulty power supply, the
> > other one had no power 
> > supply at all..
> > 
> > This one is the one i've built in another power
> > supply into, and replaced 
> > the old OLD internal harddrive with a ZIPdrive.
> > 
> > Incidentally, it is the very same machine that has
> > the broken floppy drive 
> > i just emailed about ... mechanical fault .. darn
> > floppy thinks there's a 
> > disk in it, so it will not boot ... unless i unplug
> > the floppy during 
> > startup...
> > 
> > anywa, enough ramblings, hope you enjoy the pics!
> > 
> > //Micke
> > 
> >
> 
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looks pretty cool dude, espiciallyt in the dark

Funky!

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On Oct 28, 2004, at 1:30 AM, Micke Askernäs wrote:

> D'oh!
>
>  A long email and no link! Me bad!
>
> http://www.lvls.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01&page=3
>
>  There are pictures .. .about 80 of them in total ... first 2 pages 
> are just
>  images of the keyboard stands, page3 and onwards features the emax 
> ... ;)


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Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend getting a
replacement.

Bob

--- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on
> accessing the drive and 
> returning with the error message that the disk isn't
> formatted ... regardles 
> if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
> 
> So, my options are:
> 
> 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks
> there is still a disk in 
> the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes
> it actually manages to 
> pass through this state, and sees that there is no
> disk .... 
> 
> What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey,
> i've got a disk here!" ... 
> could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or
> is it something 
> mechanical?
> 
> 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy
> check during startup, so 
> it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode
> .... doesnt seem like an 
> easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax
> bios?)
> 
> 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that
> gives the right signal back 
> to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds
> like a real tough one...
> 
> 4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power
> to the floppy when it 
> acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save
> some power as well, but 
> i'd rather not drill another hole in the case
> 
> So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to
> get #1 fixed... if i cant 
> do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine
> to just unplug the power 
> cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it
> is a dirty option imho ;)
> 
> Any other input and tips on how to get this work?
> 
> thanks,
> Micke
> 
> 
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner
> wrote
> > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal
> goes
> > down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
> > remember which.
> > I suppose you could install a switch.
> > 
> > I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
> > school, but it's been several years.
> > 
> > Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
> > Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
> > floppy.
> > 
> > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey all!
> > > 
> > > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on
> one
> > > of my machines...
> > > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
> > > there is a disk in it, 
> > > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
> > > 
> > > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord
> from
> > > the floppy AS it is 
> > > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
> > > other than that, it is 
> > > pretty much stuck..
> > > 
> > > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from
> the
> > > motherboard, but this 
> > > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and
> not
> > > boot up at all, due to 
> > > it not getting any clearance from the floppy
> drive..
> > > 
> > > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
> > > bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
> > > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
> > > sending something out to 
> > > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return
> ...
> > > anyone here have any 
> > > knowledge about this?
> > > 
> > > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to
> add
> > > a switch on top of the 
> > > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
> > > trying to boot... ;)
> > > 
> > > //Micke
> > > 
> > >
> > 
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Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to get a replacement cause i've 
never used it .. =)

I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from floppy and boot from my 
built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the floppy cause the self 
diagnostics never get past the diagnostics screen when booting up .. =)

I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to sweden for a component that 
i never use and do not need .. ;)

If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch that will cut power to the 
floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed ... that way it will boot on 
my zipdrive instead...

my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with the drive that thinks it has a 
disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the floppy at least doesnt think 
there's a drive in it ... but might not work anyway.. which would be fine... 
cause the startup wouldnt halt ;)

//Micke

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote

> Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend getting a
> replacement.
> 
> Bob
> 
> --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on
> > accessing the drive and 
> > returning with the error message that the disk isn't
> > formatted ... regardles 
> > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
> > 
> > So, my options are:
> > 
> > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks
> > there is still a disk in 
> > the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes
> > it actually manages to 
> > pass through this state, and sees that there is no
> > disk .... 
> > 
> > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey,
> > i've got a disk here!" ... 
> > could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or
> > is it something 
> > mechanical?
> > 
> > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy
> > check during startup, so 
> > it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode
> > .... doesnt seem like an 
> > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax
> > bios?)
> > 
> > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that
> > gives the right signal back 
> > to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds
> > like a real tough one...
> > 
> > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power
> > to the floppy when it 
> > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save
> > some power as well, but 
> > i'd rather not drill another hole in the case
> > 
> > So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to
> > get #1 fixed... if i cant 
> > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine
> > to just unplug the power 
> > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it
> > is a dirty option imho ;)
> > 
> > Any other input and tips on how to get this work?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Micke
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner
> > wrote
> > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal
> > goes
> > > down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
> > > remember which.
> > > I suppose you could install a switch.
> > > 
> > > I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
> > > school, but it's been several years.
> > > 
> > > Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
> > > Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
> > > floppy.
> > > 
> > > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hey all!
> > > > 
> > > > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on
> > one
> > > > of my machines...
> > > > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
> > > > there is a disk in it, 
> > > > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
> > > > 
> > > > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord
> > from
> > > > the floppy AS it is 
> > > > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
> > > > other than that, it is 
> > > > pretty much stuck..
> > > > 
> > > > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from
> > the
> > > > motherboard, but this 
> > > > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and
> > not
> > > > boot up at all, due to 
> > > > it not getting any clearance from the floppy
> > drive..
> > > > 
> > > > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
> > > > bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
> > > > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
> > > > sending something out to 
> > > > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return
> > ...
> > > > anyone here have any 
> > > > knowledge about this?
> > > > 
> > > > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to
> > add
> > > > a switch on top of the 
> > > > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
> > > > trying to boot... ;)
> > > > 
> > > > //Micke
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hi!

I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I think my old emax II r/m
used to boot from hd?....

I'll get back to you on this....

duh,

damon....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Micke Askern\ufffds" <micke@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without floppy...?


>
> Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to get a replacement cause i've
> never used it .. =)
>
> I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from floppy and boot from my
> built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the floppy cause the self
> diagnostics never get past the diagnostics screen when booting up .. =)
>
> I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to sweden for a component
that
> i never use and do not need .. ;)
>
> If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch that will cut power to the
> floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed ... that way it will boot
on
> my zipdrive instead...
>
> my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with the drive that thinks it
has a
> disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the floppy at least doesnt
think
> there's a drive in it ... but might not work anyway.. which would be
fine...

> cause the startup wouldnt halt ;)
>
> //Micke
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote
> > Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend getting a
> > replacement.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on
> > > accessing the drive and
> > > returning with the error message that the disk isn't
> > > formatted ... regardles
> > > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
> > >
> > > So, my options are:
> > >
> > > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks
> > > there is still a disk in
> > > the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes
> > > it actually manages to
> > > pass through this state, and sees that there is no
> > > disk ....
> > >
> > > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey,
> > > i've got a disk here!" ...
> > > could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or
> > > is it something
> > > mechanical?
> > >
> > > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy
> > > check during startup, so
> > > it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode
> > > .... doesnt seem like an
> > > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax
> > > bios?)
> > >
> > > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that
> > > gives the right signal back
> > > to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds
> > > like a real tough one...
> > >
> > > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power
> > > to the floppy when it
> > > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save
> > > some power as well, but
> > > i'd rather not drill another hole in the case
> > >
> > > So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to
> > > get #1 fixed... if i cant
> > > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine
> > > to just unplug the power
> > > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it
> > > is a dirty option imho ;)
> > >
> > > Any other input and tips on how to get this work?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Micke
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner
> > > wrote
> > > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal
> > > goes
> > > > down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
> > > > remember which.
> > > > I suppose you could install a switch.
> > > >
> > > > I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
> > > > school, but it's been several years.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
> > > > Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
> > > > floppy.
> > > >
> > > > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on
> > > one
> > > > > of my machines...
> > > > > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
> > > > > there is a disk in it,
> > > > > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
> > > > >
> > > > > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord
> > > from
> > > > > the floppy AS it is
> > > > > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
> > > > > other than that, it is
> > > > > pretty much stuck..
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from
> > > the
> > > > > motherboard, but this
> > > > > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and
> > > not
> > > > > boot up at all, due to
> > > > > it not getting any clearance from the floppy
> > > drive..
> > > > >
> > > > > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
> > > > > bypassing the diagnostics mode,
> > > > > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
> > > > > sending something out to
> > > > > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return
> > > ...
> > > > > anyone here have any
> > > > > knowledge about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to
> > > add
> > > > > a switch on top of the
> > > > > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
> > > > > trying to boot... ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > //Micke
> > > > >
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Hey!

The thing is .. if i change the faulty drive to a working drive i have in my 
OTHER emax, my emax boots just fins from the zipdrive as it should...

The disk drive has boot priority, and if there is some way of changing that, 
I would be home free.

Since the faulty drive thinks it has a disk inserted, it complains constantly 
that there is an unusable disk inserted in the drive, when it is trying to 
boot from the floppy (as earlier explained due to malfunction) ...

If i remove the drive altogether, the machine NEVER boots, since it is stuck 
in the diagnostics screen.

Also note that this is the original emax .. there might be a different issue 
with the emax II .. i have the plus os installed i think .. i'll double check 
that... ;)

like i said. in worst case, i have found that if i unplug the power cord when 
the drive is trying to access its nonexistent floppy, the boot procedure 
continues and the machine boots as it should from zipdrive.

I need the floppy in my other emax as I have no zip, no nothing in that 
one .. (yet) ..

Anyone who have a scsi upgrade kit for an emax with version2 of the digital 
board? .. according to emulatorarchive, my emax can be modified, i just need 
the circuits ;)

//Micke

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:20 +1000, Damon Crowe wrote 
> hi! 
> 
> I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I think my old emax II r/m 
> used to boot from hd?.... 
> 
> I'll get back to you on this.... 
> 
> duh, 
> 
> damon.... 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Micke Askern\ufffds" <micke@...> 
> To: <emax@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM 
> Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without floppy...? 
> 
> > 
> > Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to get a replacement cause 
i've 
> > never used it .. =) 
> > 
> > I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from floppy and boot from my 
> > built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the floppy cause the self 
> > diagnostics never get past the diagnostics screen when booting up .. =) 
> > 
> > I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to sweden for a component 
> that 
> > i never use and do not need .. ;) 
> > 
> > If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch that will cut power to 
the 
> > floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed ... that way it will boot 
> on 
> > my zipdrive instead... 
> > 
> > my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with the drive that thinks it 
> has a 
> > disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the floppy at least doesnt 
> think 
> > there's a drive in it ... but might not work anyway.. which would be 
> fine... 
> > cause the startup wouldnt halt ;) 
> > 
> > //Micke 
> > 
> > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote 
> > > Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend getting a 
> > > replacement. 
> > > 
> > > Bob 
> > > 
> > > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on 
> > > > accessing the drive and 
> > > > returning with the error message that the disk isn't 
> > > > formatted ... regardles 
> > > > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/ 
> > > > 
> > > > So, my options are: 
> > > > 
> > > > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks 
> > > > there is still a disk in 
> > > > the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes 
> > > > it actually manages to 
> > > > pass through this state, and sees that there is no 
> > > > disk .... 
> > > > 
> > > > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey, 
> > > > i've got a disk here!" ... 
> > > > could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or 
> > > > is it something 
> > > > mechanical? 
> > > > 
> > > > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy 
> > > > check during startup, so 
> > > > it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode 
> > > > .... doesnt seem like an 
> > > > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax 
> > > > bios?) 
> > > > 
> > > > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that 
> > > > gives the right signal back 
> > > > to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds 
> > > > like a real tough one... 
> > > > 
> > > > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power 
> > > > to the floppy when it 
> > > > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save 
> > > > some power as well, but 
> > > > i'd rather not drill another hole in the case 
> > > > 
> > > > So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to 
> > > > get #1 fixed... if i cant 
> > > > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine 
> > > > to just unplug the power 
> > > > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it 
> > > > is a dirty option imho ;) 
> > > > 
> > > > Any other input and tips on how to get this work? 
> > > > 
> > > > thanks, 
> > > > Micke 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner 
> > > > wrote 
> > > > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal 
> > > > goes 
> > > > > down one specific wire in the cable but I can't 
> > > > > remember which. 
> > > > > I suppose you could install a switch. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair 
> > > > > school, but it's been several years. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive? 
> > > > > Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the 
> > > > > floppy. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hey all! 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on 
> > > > one 
> > > > > > of my machines... 
> > > > > > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks 
> > > > > > there is a disk in it, 
> > > > > > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord 
> > > > from 
> > > > > > the floppy AS it is 
> > > > > > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but 
> > > > > > other than that, it is 
> > > > > > pretty much stuck.. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > motherboard, but this 
> > > > > > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and 
> > > > not 
> > > > > > boot up at all, due to 
> > > > > > it not getting any clearance from the floppy 
> > > > drive.. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of 
> > > > > > bypassing the diagnostics mode, 
> > > > > > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is 
> > > > > > sending something out to 
> > > > > > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return 
> > > > ... 
> > > > > > anyone here have any 
> > > > > > knowledge about this? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to 
> > > > add 
> > > > > > a switch on top of the 
> > > > > > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is 
> > > > > > trying to boot... ;) 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > //Micke 
> > > > > > 
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--- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:

> Hey!
> 
> The thing is .. if i change the faulty drive to a
> working drive i have in my 
> OTHER emax, my emax boots just fins from the
> zipdrive as it should...
> 
> The disk drive has boot priority, and if there is
> some way of changing that, 
> I would be home free.
> 
> Since the faulty drive thinks it has a disk
> inserted, it complains constantly 
> that there is an unusable disk inserted in the
> drive, when it is trying to 
> boot from the floppy (as earlier explained due to
> malfunction) ...
> 
> If i remove the drive altogether, the machine NEVER
> boots, since it is stuck 
> in the diagnostics screen.
> 
> Also note that this is the original emax .. there
> might be a different issue 
> with the emax II .. i have the plus os installed i
> think .. i'll double check 
> that... ;)
> 
> like i said. in worst case, i have found that if i
> unplug the power cord when 
> the drive is trying to access its nonexistent
> floppy, the boot procedure 
> continues and the machine boots as it should from
> zipdrive.
> 
> I need the floppy in my other emax as I have no zip,
> no nothing in that 
> one .. (yet) ..
> 
> Anyone who have a scsi upgrade kit for an emax with
> version2 of the digital 
> board? .. according to emulatorarchive, my emax can
> be modified, i just need 
> the circuits ;)
> 
> //Micke
> 
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:20 +1000, Damon Crowe
> wrote 
> > hi! 
> > 
> > I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I
> think my old emax II r/m 
> > used to boot from hd?.... 
> > 
> > I'll get back to you on this.... 
> > 
> > duh, 
> > 
> > damon.... 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Micke Askern\ufffds" <micke@...> 
> > To: <emax@yahoogroups.com> 
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without
> floppy...? 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to
> get a replacement cause 
> i've 
> > > never used it .. =) 
> > > 
> > > I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from
> floppy and boot from my 
> > > built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the
> floppy cause the self 
> > > diagnostics never get past the diagnostics
> screen when booting up .. =) 
> > > 
> > > I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to
> sweden for a component 
> > that 
> > > i never use and do not need .. ;) 
> > > 
> > > If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch
> that will cut power to 
> the 
> > > floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed
> ... that way it will boot 
> > on 
> > > my zipdrive instead... 
> > > 
> > > my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with
> the drive that thinks it 
> > has a 
> > > disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the
> floppy at least doesnt 
> > think 
> > > there's a drive in it ... but might not work
> anyway.. which would be 
> > fine... 
> > > cause the startup wouldnt halt ;) 
> > > 
> > > //Micke 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob
> Conner wrote 
> > > > Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend
> getting a 
> > > > replacement. 
> > > > 
> > > > Bob 
> > > > 
> > > > --- Micke Askern\ufffds <micke@...> wrote:
> 
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it
> keeps on 
> > > > > accessing the drive and 
> > > > > returning with the error message that the
> disk isn't 
> > > > > formatted ... regardles 
> > > > > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, my options are: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy
> that thinks 
> > > > > there is still a disk in 
> > > > > the drive... it is not always hanging, but
> sometimes 
> > > > > it actually manages to 
> > > > > pass through this state, and sees that there
> is no 
> > > > > disk .... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal
> "hey, 
> > > > > i've got a disk here!" ... 
> > > > > could it be dirty disk headers or
> something..? .. or 
> > > > > is it something 
> > > > > mechanical? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the
> floppy 
> > > > > check during startup, so 
> > > > > it skips checking for diskdrive in
> diagnostics mode 
> > > > > .... doesnt seem like an 
> > > > > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some
> emax 
> > > > > bios?) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere
> that 
> > > > > gives the right signal back 
> > > > > to the machine that there is indeed a
> floppy. sounds 
> > > > > like a real tough one... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts
> the power 
> > > > > to the floppy when it 
> > > > > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and
> i save 
> > > > > some power as well, but 
> > > > > i'd rather not drill another hole in the
> case 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So ... I have options, but I'm working on
> trying to 
> > > > > get #1 fixed... if i cant 
> > > > > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work
> (works fine 
> > > > > to just unplug the power 
> > > > > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk)
> but it 
> > > > > is a dirty option imho ;) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any other input and tips on how to get this
> work? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > thanks, 
> > > > > Micke 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT),
> Bob Conner 
> > > > > wrote 
> > > > > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk
> signal 
> > > > > goes 
> > > > > > down one specific wire in the cable but I
> can't 
> > > > > > remember which. 
> > > > > > I suppose you could install a switch. 
> > > > > > 
> 
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as far as the HD upgrade- I want one too. Let Route66 Studios know you  
are interested. Rob @ Emu Archive earlier decided there wasn't enough  
interest to make a kit. Route 66 was looking into maybe doing it also.  
I'm willing to pay $100 to get that functionality in mine....

link to route66 is on Emu-archives site...

Thanks,
Ted
On Oct 30, 2004, at 2:14 AM, Micke Askern�s wrote:

> Hey!
>
>  The thing is .. if i change the faulty drive to a working drive i  
> have in my
>  OTHER emax, my emax boots just fins from the zipdrive as it should...
>
>  The disk drive has boot priority, and if there is some way of  
> changing that,
>  I would be home free.
>
>  Since the faulty drive thinks it has a disk inserted, it complains  
> constantly
>  that there is an unusable disk inserted in the drive, when it is  
> trying to
>  boot from the floppy (as earlier explained due to malfunction) ...
>
>  If i remove the drive altogether, the machine NEVER boots, since it  
> is stuck
>  in the diagnostics screen.
>
>  Also note that this is the original emax .. there might be a  
> different issue
>  with the emax II .. i have the plus os installed i think .. i'll  
> double check
>  that... ;)
>
>  like i said. in worst case, i have found that if i unplug the power  
> cord when
>  the drive is trying to access its nonexistent floppy, the boot  
> procedure
>  continues and the machine boots as it should from zipdrive.
>
>  I need the floppy in my other emax as I have no zip, no nothing in  
> that
>  one .. (yet) ..
>
>  Anyone who have a scsi upgrade kit for an emax with version2 of the  
> digital
>  board? .. according to emulatorarchive, my emax can be modified, i  
> just need
>  the circuits ;)
>
>  //Micke
>
>  On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:20 +1000, Damon Crowe wrote
>  > hi!
>  >
>  > I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I think my old emax  
> II r/m
>  > used to boot from hd?....
>  >
>  > I'll get back to you on this....
>  >
>  > duh,
>  >
>  > damon....
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Micke Askern�s" <micke@...>
>  > To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
>  > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without floppy...?
>  >
>  > >
>  > > Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to get a replacement  
> cause
>  i've
>  > > never used it .. =)
>  > >
>  > > I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from floppy and boot  
> from my
>  > > built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the floppy cause the  
> self
>  > > diagnostics never get past the diagnostics screen when booting up  
> .. =)
>  > >
>  > > I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to sweden for a  
> component
>  > that
>  > > i never use and do not need .. ;)
>  > >
>  > > If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch that will cut  
> power to
>  the
>  > > floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed ... that way it  
> will boot
>  > on
>  > > my zipdrive instead...
>  > >
>  > > my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with the drive that  
> thinks it
>  > has a
>  > > disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the floppy at least  
> doesnt
>  > think
>  > > there's a drive in it ... but might not work anyway.. which would  
> be
>  > fine...
>  > > cause the startup wouldnt halt ;)
>  > >
>  > > //Micke
>  > >
>  > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner wrote
>  > > > Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend getting a
>  > > > replacement.
>  > > >
>  > > > Bob
>  > > >
>  > > > --- Micke Askern�s <micke@...> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it keeps on
>  > > > > accessing the drive and
>  > > > > returning with the error message that the disk isn't
>  > > > > formatted ... regardles
>  > > > > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > So, my options are:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy that thinks
>  > > > > there is still a disk in
>  > > > > the drive... it is not always hanging, but sometimes
>  > > > > it actually manages to
>  > > > > pass through this state, and sees that there is no
>  > > > > disk ....
>  > > > >
>  > > > > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal "hey,
>  > > > > i've got a disk here!" ...
>  > > > > could it be dirty disk headers or something..? .. or
>  > > > > is it something
>  > > > > mechanical?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the floppy
>  > > > > check during startup, so
>  > > > > it skips checking for diskdrive in diagnostics mode
>  > > > > .... doesnt seem like an
>  > > > > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some emax
>  > > > > bios?)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere that
>  > > > > gives the right signal back
>  > > > > to the machine that there is indeed a floppy. sounds
>  > > > > like a real tough one...
>  > > > >
>  > > > > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts the power
>  > > > > to the floppy when it
>  > > > > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and i save
>  > > > > some power as well, but
>  > > > > i'd rather not drill another hole in the case
>  > > > >
>  > > > > So ... I have options, but I'm working on trying to
>  > > > > get #1 fixed... if i cant
>  > > > > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work (works fine
>  > > > > to just unplug the power
>  > > > > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk) but it
>  > > > > is a dirty option imho ;)
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Any other input and tips on how to get this work?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > thanks,
>  > > > > Micke
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT), Bob Conner
>  > > > > wrote
>  > > > > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk signal
>  > > > > goes
>  > > > > > down one specific wire in the cable but I can't
>  > > > > > remember which.
>  > > > > > I suppose you could install a switch.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > I remember doing a lab on this in computer repair
>  > > > > > school, but it's been several years.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Have you tried putting a blank disk in the drive?
>  > > > > > Perhaps it will go to the zip if it can't read the
>  > > > > > floppy.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > --- Micke Askern�s <micke@...> wrote:
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > > Hey all!
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > I have a problem with a faulty floppy drive on
>  > > > > one
>  > > > > > > of my machines...
>  > > > > > > The floppy has a mechanical fault, so it thinks
>  > > > > > > there is a disk in it,
>  > > > > > > therefor bypassing booting from my zipdrive...
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > I can bypass it by unplugging the power chord
>  > > > > from
>  > > > > > > the floppy AS it is
>  > > > > > > trying to read from a non existent diskette, but
>  > > > > > > other than that, it is
>  > > > > > > pretty much stuck..
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > Also, I've tried disconnecting the floppy from
>  > > > > the
>  > > > > > > motherboard, but this
>  > > > > > > causes the emax to hang in diagnostics mode, and
>  > > > > not
>  > > > > > > boot up at all, due to
>  > > > > > > it not getting any clearance from the floppy
>  > > > > drive..
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > So .. i was wonderinf, is there some way of
>  > > > > > > bypassing the diagnostics mode,
>  > > > > > > or, search for floppy? It is my guess that it is
>  > > > > > > sending something out to
>  > > > > > > the floppy and is awaiting a signal in return
>  > > > > ...
>  > > > > > > anyone here have any
>  > > > > > > knowledge about this?
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > thanks in advance... in worst case i'll have to
>  > > > > add
>  > > > > > > a switch on top of the
>  > > > > > > emax to shut off power to the floppy when it is
>  > > > > > > trying to boot... ;)
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > //Micke
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
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I'm not using and need to move out the following:

MAC SE FDHD great working order with RS cable to
connect to Emax, Emax II.

Boxed original Sound Designer Universal with manuals
and diskettes in ORIGINAL Box great condition.

Will part with everything for $50.00 (U.S) Plus
shipping.

Also looking for an EMAX I or II that is compatible
with the Zip internal upgrade.  

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Hello!

I managed to work around the problem!

I was digging through my old pile of computer components and found an old 
floppy drive..
However not fully compatible with the emax, it is compatible *enough* so 
the emax acknowledges it as a fully working floppy, and thus boots from zip 
as it should...

Just thought i'd mention it .. ;)

//Micke - now with 2 identical emaxes, painted and ready to go on tour...

At 11:39 2004-10-30, you wrote:

>You've tried swapping drive cables haven't you?
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>--- Micke Askernäs <micke@...> wrote:
>
> > Hey!
> >
> > The thing is .. if i change the faulty drive to a
> > working drive i have in my
> > OTHER emax, my emax boots just fins from the
> > zipdrive as it should...
> >
> > The disk drive has boot priority, and if there is
> > some way of changing that,
> > I would be home free.
> >
> > Since the faulty drive thinks it has a disk
> > inserted, it complains constantly
> > that there is an unusable disk inserted in the
> > drive, when it is trying to
> > boot from the floppy (as earlier explained due to
> > malfunction) ...
> >
> > If i remove the drive altogether, the machine NEVER
> > boots, since it is stuck
> > in the diagnostics screen.
> >
> > Also note that this is the original emax .. there
> > might be a different issue
> > with the emax II .. i have the plus os installed i
> > think .. i'll double check
> > that... ;)
> >
> > like i said. in worst case, i have found that if i
> > unplug the power cord when
> > the drive is trying to access its nonexistent
> > floppy, the boot procedure
> > continues and the machine boots as it should from
> > zipdrive.
> >
> > I need the floppy in my other emax as I have no zip,
> > no nothing in that
> > one .. (yet) ..
> >
> > Anyone who have a scsi upgrade kit for an emax with
> > version2 of the digital
> > board? .. according to emulatorarchive, my emax can
> > be modified, i just need
> > the circuits ;)
> >
> > //Micke
> >
> > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:20 +1000, Damon Crowe
> > wrote
> > > hi!
> > >
> > > I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I
> > think my old emax II r/m
> > > used to boot from hd?....
> > >
> > > I'll get back to you on this....
> > >
> > > duh,
> > >
> > > damon....
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Micke Askernäs" <micke@askernas.com>
> > > To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without
> > floppy...?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to
> > get a replacement cause
> > i've
> > > > never used it .. =)
> > > >
> > > > I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from
> > floppy and boot from my
> > > > built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the
> > floppy cause the self
> > > > diagnostics never get past the diagnostics
> > screen when booting up .. =)
> > > >
> > > > I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to
> > sweden for a component
> > > that
> > > > i never use and do not need .. ;)
> > > >
> > > > If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch
> > that will cut power to
> > the
> > > > floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed
> > ... that way it will boot
> > > on
> > > > my zipdrive instead...
> > > >
> > > > my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with
> > the drive that thinks it
> > > has a
> > > > disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the
> > floppy at least doesnt
> > > think
> > > > there's a drive in it ... but might not work
> > anyway.. which would be
> > > fine...
> > > > cause the startup wouldnt halt ;)
> > > >
> > > > //Micke
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob
> > Conner wrote
> > > > > Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend
> > getting a
> > > > > replacement.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Micke Askernäs <micke@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it
> > keeps on
> > > > > > accessing the drive and
> > > > > > returning with the error message that the
> > disk isn't
> > > > > > formatted ... regardles
> > > > > > if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, my options are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. find out what mechanics in the floppy
> > that thinks
> > > > > > there is still a disk in
> > > > > > the drive... it is not always hanging, but
> > sometimes
> > > > > > it actually manages to
> > > > > > pass through this state, and sees that there
> > is no
> > > > > > disk ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is it in a floppy that sends a signal
> > "hey,
> > > > > > i've got a disk here!" ...
> > > > > > could it be dirty disk headers or
> > something..? .. or
> > > > > > is it something
> > > > > > mechanical?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. see if there is some way of bypassing the
> > floppy
> > > > > > check during startup, so
> > > > > > it skips checking for diskdrive in
> > diagnostics mode
> > > > > > .... doesnt seem like an
> > > > > > easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some
> > emax
> > > > > > bios?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere
> > that
> > > > > > gives the right signal back
> > > > > > to the machine that there is indeed a
> > floppy. sounds
> > > > > > like a real tough one...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4. build in an additional switch that cuts
> > the power
> > > > > > to the floppy when it
> > > > > > acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and
> > i save
> > > > > > some power as well, but
> > > > > > i'd rather not drill another hole in the
> > case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So ... I have options, but I'm working on
> > trying to
> > > > > > get #1 fixed... if i cant
> > > > > > do that, i know that option #4 WILL work
> > (works fine
> > > > > > to just unplug the power
> > > > > > cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk)
> > but it
> > > > > > is a dirty option imho ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any other input and tips on how to get this
> > work?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > Micke
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT),
> > Bob Conner
> > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > I believe the "disk in drive" change disk
> > signal
> > > > > > goes
> > > > > > > down one specific wire in the cable but I
> > can't
> > > > > > > remember which.
> > > > > > > I suppose you could install a switch.
> > > > > > >
> >
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Hi Micke! Can you tell me what you did? What floppydrive did tou use? I 
dropped my emax II in the street after a gig last week, and the floppy 
broke down. I also have an Emax I, so I switched the floppies. But now 
the emax I isn't working of course... So I would really like to know how 
you got around the problem...

/Jens

Micke Askernäs wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I managed to work around the problem!
> 
> I was digging through my old pile of computer components and found an old 
> floppy drive..
> However not fully compatible with the emax, it is compatible *enough* so 
> the emax acknowledges it as a fully working floppy, and thus boots from zip 
> as it should...
> 
> Just thought i'd mention it .. ;)
> 
> //Micke - now with 2 identical emaxes, painted and ready to go on tour...
> 
> At 11:39 2004-10-30, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>You've tried swapping drive cables haven't you?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>--- Micke Askernäs <micke@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey!
>>>
>>>The thing is .. if i change the faulty drive to a
>>>working drive i have in my
>>>OTHER emax, my emax boots just fins from the
>>>zipdrive as it should...
>>>
>>>The disk drive has boot priority, and if there is
>>>some way of changing that,
>>>I would be home free.
>>>
>>>Since the faulty drive thinks it has a disk
>>>inserted, it complains constantly
>>>that there is an unusable disk inserted in the
>>>drive, when it is trying to
>>>boot from the floppy (as earlier explained due to
>>>malfunction) ...
>>>
>>>If i remove the drive altogether, the machine NEVER
>>>boots, since it is stuck
>>>in the diagnostics screen.
>>>
>>>Also note that this is the original emax .. there
>>>might be a different issue
>>>with the emax II .. i have the plus os installed i
>>>think .. i'll double check
>>>that... ;)
>>>
>>>like i said. in worst case, i have found that if i
>>>unplug the power cord when
>>>the drive is trying to access its nonexistent
>>>floppy, the boot procedure
>>>continues and the machine boots as it should from
>>>zipdrive.
>>>
>>>I need the floppy in my other emax as I have no zip,
>>>no nothing in that
>>>one .. (yet) ..
>>>
>>>Anyone who have a scsi upgrade kit for an emax with
>>>version2 of the digital
>>>board? .. according to emulatorarchive, my emax can
>>>be modified, i just need
>>>the circuits ;)
>>>
>>>//Micke
>>>
>>>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:20 +1000, Damon Crowe
>>>wrote
>>>
>>>>hi!
>>>>
>>>>I've just this minute seen this thread, but my I
>>>
>>>think my old emax II r/m
>>>
>>>>used to boot from hd?....
>>>>
>>>>I'll get back to you on this....
>>>>
>>>>duh,
>>>>
>>>>damon....
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Micke Askernäs" <micke@...>
>>>>To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:43 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [emax] Emax (first one) without
>>>
>>>floppy...?
>>>
>>>>>Well .. i KNOW its toast.. but i dont WANT to
>>>
>>>get a replacement cause
>>>i've
>>>
>>>>>never used it .. =)
>>>>>
>>>>>I want the darn emax to stop trying to boot from
>>>
>>>floppy and boot from my
>>>
>>>>>built in zipdrive instead... I cant remove the
>>>
>>>floppy cause the self
>>>
>>>>>diagnostics never get past the diagnostics
>>>
>>>screen when booting up .. =)
>>>
>>>>>I dont want to pay what 70$ us, plus shipping to
>>>
>>>sweden for a component
>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>>i never use and do not need .. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>If worst comes to worst, I'll just add a switch
>>>
>>>that will cut power to
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>floppy after self diagnostics screen has passed
>>>
>>>... that way it will boot
>>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>>my zipdrive instead...
>>>>>
>>>>>my guess is that it is a mechanical fault with
>>>
>>>the drive that thinks it
>>>
>>>>has a
>>>>
>>>>>disk in it .. if so, it should be fixable so the
>>>
>>>floppy at least doesnt
>>>
>>>>think
>>>>
>>>>>there's a drive in it ... but might not work
>>>
>>>anyway.. which would be
>>>
>>>>fine...
>>>>
>>>>>cause the startup wouldnt halt ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>//Micke
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT), Bob
>>>
>>>Conner wrote
>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like the drive is toast. I recommend
>>>
>>>getting a
>>>
>>>>>>replacement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- Micke Askernäs <micke@askernas.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for the tip Bob, unfortunately it
>>>
>>>keeps on
>>>
>>>>>>>accessing the drive and
>>>>>>>returning with the error message that the
>>>
>>>disk isn't
>>>
>>>>>>>formatted ... regardles
>>>>>>>if there is or isnt a floppy in the drive =/
>>>
>>>>>>>So, my options are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. find out what mechanics in the floppy
>>>
>>>that thinks
>>>
>>>>>>>there is still a disk in
>>>>>>>the drive... it is not always hanging, but
>>>
>>>sometimes
>>>
>>>>>>>it actually manages to
>>>>>>>pass through this state, and sees that there
>>>
>>>is no
>>>
>>>>>>>disk ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What is it in a floppy that sends a signal
>>>
>>>"hey,
>>>
>>>>>>>i've got a disk here!" ...
>>>>>>>could it be dirty disk headers or
>>>
>>>something..? .. or
>>>
>>>>>>>is it something
>>>>>>>mechanical?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2. see if there is some way of bypassing the
>>>
>>>floppy
>>>
>>>>>>>check during startup, so
>>>>>>>it skips checking for diskdrive in
>>>
>>>diagnostics mode
>>>
>>>>>>>.... doesnt seem like an
>>>>>>>easy option ... (bypass floppy check in some
>>>
>>>emax
>>>
>>>>>>>bios?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>3. faking the emax with a jumper somewhere
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>>>>>gives the right signal back
>>>>>>>to the machine that there is indeed a
>>>
>>>floppy. sounds
>>>
>>>>>>>like a real tough one...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>4. build in an additional switch that cuts
>>>
>>>the power
>>>
>>>>>>>to the floppy when it
>>>>>>>acts up.. this way i can get it to boot and
>>>
>>>i save
>>>
>>>>>>>some power as well, but
>>>>>>>i'd rather not drill another hole in the
>>>
>>>case
>>>
>>>>>>>So ... I have options, but I'm working on
>>>
>>>trying to
>>>
>>>>>>>get #1 fixed... if i cant
>>>>>>>do that, i know that option #4 WILL work
>>>
>>>(works fine
>>>
>>>>>>>to just unplug the power
>>>>>>>cable to the floppy when it is being a jerk)
>>>
>>>but it
>>>
>>>>>>>is a dirty option imho ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any other input and tips on how to get this
>>>
>>>work?
>>>
>>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>>Micke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:26:41 -0700 (PDT),
>>>
>>>Bob Conner
>>>
>>>>>>>wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I believe the "disk in drive" change disk
>>>
>>>signal
>>>
>>>>>>>goes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down one specific wire in the cable but I
>>>
>>>can't
>>>
>>>>>>>>remember which.
>>>>>>>>I suppose you could install a switch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>
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