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Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by Paul

Hi all. Been after an original Emax for a long time now and finally 
got a Emax HD SE Rack yesterday!

One thing I notice is that velocity response seems strange. I have set 
the curve to a simple Linear curve but when playing via my Voyager, I 
only get max velocity at about 80% Voyager velocity and anything above 
this actually makes the sound quieter.  What I think might be 
happening is: The Emax only recognises 1-100 and anything from 101-127 
from the Voyager is getting interpreted as a lower value.  Is this 
correct?  If so, is there anyway to change this so I get a full range?

I have looked through the archives but no joy. Also, away from my 
studio for a few days so can't investigate..

Thanks for any responses..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

Re: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by elmacaco

Congrats punk!!!! ;)


I never messed with the velocity curves but my controller outputs 0-127 and is read fine by the emax.

is velocity assigned to anything else in the patch?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:07 AM
  Subject: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

  Hi all. Been after an original Emax for a long time now and finally 
  got a Emax HD SE Rack yesterday!

  One thing I notice is that velocity response seems strange. I have set 
  the curve to a simple Linear curve but when playing via my Voyager, I 
  only get max velocity at about 80% Voyager velocity and anything above 
  this actually makes the sound quieter.  What I think might be 
  happening is: The Emax only recognises 1-100 and anything from 101-127 
  from the Voyager is getting interpreted as a lower value.  Is this 
  correct?  If so, is there anyway to change this so I get a full range?

  I have looked through the archives but no joy. Also, away from my 
  studio for a few days so can't investigate..

  Thanks for any responses..

  Paul
  London
  www.punkdisco.co.uk

  Emax and Emax II User's Group Website

  http://www.silveriafamily.com 

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Re: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by punkdISCO

> Congrats punk!!!! ;)

ta dude..

> I never messed with the velocity curves but my controller outputs 0-127 and is read fine by the emax.
> is velocity assigned to anything else in the patch?

No.  Well, probably not as it is the same for all my programs.  I spend all of last night auditioning the banks on the HD and some of the ones on floppy and they all behave the same.

Im back in my studio on Tuesday so ill start from basics with a new program.  I also have a basic midi controller keyboard with no after touch so ill use that.

I really never thought I would have a sampler back in my studio as this is the one area where I have gone software based.  Sold my E5000Ultra quite a few years ago and really never miss it, but the Emax just sounds so good..  I actually used to have a SP12Turbo but sold that about a year ago as really did not need another drum sequencer and figured I could replace the sound with an original Emax - took me a year to find one..

Will let you all know if I find the problem (I like to close threads)..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

RE: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by Michael Ella

Paul-

I can't recall having the problem you mention on mine. I did check the
manual- it did mention in the Master Module section that the various
velocity cuves were included only for the keyboard version of Emax- said
they have no purpose with rack versions.

I'd start by feeding the Emax a steady stream of notes- blocked in various
velocity levels straight from your sequencer. It will be easier to check
where the breakpoint is if there is one. Maybe the Voyageur is sending other
info that the Emax can't interpret.

Cheers,

Michael

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Paul
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:07 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

Hi all. Been after an original Emax for a long time now and finally
got a Emax HD SE Rack yesterday!

One thing I notice is that velocity response seems strange. I have set
the curve to a simple Linear curve but when playing via my Voyager, I
only get max velocity at about 80% Voyager velocity and anything above
this actually makes the sound quieter.  What I think might be
happening is: The Emax only recognises 1-100 and anything from 101-127
from the Voyager is getting interpreted as a lower value.  Is this
correct?  If so, is there anyway to change this so I get a full range?

I have looked through the archives but no joy. Also, away from my
studio for a few days so can't investigate..

Thanks for any responses..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

Emax and Emax II User's Group Website

http://www.silveriafamily.com
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Re: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by elmacaco

yeah I remember you talking about getting an emax to replace the Sp12T from the MPC forums.

The other thing that might be happening is the emax might be out of calibration, if you grab the MUST disk you will have basic sine waves to test with, but you can get into the calibration page by going to master, special, and hitting one number above the last menu option, then entering the code (emax on a telephone keypad) then you have access to the calibration controls for vcf, vca, etc.  the pdf of how to use the calibration controls  is at the emulator archives or the files section.

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To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

> Congrats punk!!!! ;)

ta dude..

> I never messed with the velocity curves but my controller outputs 0-127 and is read fine by the emax.
> is velocity assigned to anything else in the patch?

No. Well, probably not as it is the same for all my programs. I spend all of last night auditioning the banks on the HD and some of the ones on floppy and they all behave the same.

Im back in my studio on Tuesday so ill start from basics with a new program. I also have a basic midi controller keyboard with no after touch so ill use that.

I really never thought I would have a sampler back in my studio as this is the one area where I have gone software based. Sold my E5000Ultra quite a few years ago and really never miss it, but the Emax just sounds so good.. I actually used to have a SP12Turbo but sold that about a year ago as really did not need another drum sequencer and figured I could replace the sound with an original Emax - took me a year to find one..

Will let you all know if I find the problem (I like to close threads)..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

Emax and Emax II User's Group Website

http://www.silveriafamily.com

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Re: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-05 by elmacaco

Yeah, maybe set the velocity curve back to whatever was the default and see if it happens.

The emax has a handy midi analyzer in the master section, I think it's in special, but it is very useful in cases like this.

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  From: Michael Ella 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 1:43 PM
  Subject: RE: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

  Paul-

  I can't recall having the problem you mention on mine. I did check the
  manual- it did mention in the Master Module section that the various
  velocity cuves were included only for the keyboard version of Emax- said
  they have no purpose with rack versions.

  I'd start by feeding the Emax a steady stream of notes- blocked in various
  velocity levels straight from your sequencer. It will be easier to check
  where the breakpoint is if there is one. Maybe the Voyageur is sending other
  info that the Emax can't interpret.

  Cheers,

  Michael

  -----Original Message-----
  From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
  Paul
  Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:07 AM
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [emax] Emax1: Velocity Response

  Hi all. Been after an original Emax for a long time now and finally
  got a Emax HD SE Rack yesterday!

  One thing I notice is that velocity response seems strange. I have set
  the curve to a simple Linear curve but when playing via my Voyager, I
  only get max velocity at about 80% Voyager velocity and anything above
  this actually makes the sound quieter.  What I think might be
  happening is: The Emax only recognises 1-100 and anything from 101-127
  from the Voyager is getting interpreted as a lower value.  Is this
  correct?  If so, is there anyway to change this so I get a full range?

  I have looked through the archives but no joy. Also, away from my
  studio for a few days so can't investigate..

  Thanks for any responses..

  Paul
  London
  www.punkdisco.co.uk

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Re: Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-06 by Chris Strellis

Hi Paul,

I'd just like to say welcome and good to see (read?) you here :D

However, your problem is stumping me - I never had the rack so
everything velocitywise was fine with the keyboard.  Perhaps
aftertouch is confusing the Emax?

Cheers

Chris

Re: Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-17 by Paul

Hey elmacaco and everyone else that replied..  Big thanks..

Sorry for the delay but I have had almost zero time over the last 10
days for testing but I have now cracked it.  The problem was: me being
a complete knob!  I initially rigged it up using 4 outputs and these
were not set to the same level in my digital mixer where my 4 Emax
outs were routed to my second set of inputs (17-32) so the faders did
not show the level (confused?!)

I noticed that it was not actually a velocity issue but rather the 1st
and 3rd voice as you loop through the voices.  So I then set about
messing around with the calibration stuff, setting the levels and
filter.  It was during this process that I discovered the above so
then continued the calibration using a single mono out into my mixer.
 Finally I have all the voices sounding the same..

So thanks again everyone...

PS: this thing really does sound great..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

Re: [emax] Re: Emax1: Velocity Response

2005-12-17 by elmacaco

Congrats, good thing you figured that out.  those are the things that catch us experienced types ;)

I must admit I am a little confused as to how the emax handles the individual outs, since assigning them to one channel doesn;t remove it from the stereo outs.  I guess it's just voice outs, but it makes it harder to use the stereo outs with some indi outs since when those voices are active you will get it from both.  And patching all 8 outs is possible but then annoying as you have 8 volume controls and EQ's to mess with even if it's just a string patch.

there has got to be a better way.  one of these days I'll really try and understand it.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:33 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Emax1: Velocity Response

  Hey elmacaco and everyone else that replied..  Big thanks..

  Sorry for the delay but I have had almost zero time over the last 10
  days for testing but I have now cracked it.  The problem was: me being
  a complete knob!  I initially rigged it up using 4 outputs and these
  were not set to the same level in my digital mixer where my 4 Emax
  outs were routed to my second set of inputs (17-32) so the faders did
  not show the level (confused?!)

  I noticed that it was not actually a velocity issue but rather the 1st
  and 3rd voice as you loop through the voices.  So I then set about
  messing around with the calibration stuff, setting the levels and
  filter.  It was during this process that I discovered the above so
  then continued the calibration using a single mono out into my mixer.
  Finally I have all the voices sounding the same..

  So thanks again everyone...

  PS: this thing really does sound great..

  Paul
  London
  www.punkdisco.co.uk

  Emax and Emax II User's Group Website

  http://www.silveriafamily.com 

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