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Problem booting from HD

2010-01-06 by andykinnetz

So I'm having a slight annoyance with my Emax II.  It seems I need to wait for something to warm up before the hard drive will kick on.  I hear it spin up but it won't boot until maybe 10 mins after restarting multiple times.

This has happened with the original emax drive and a new drive I recently installed.  I have the scsi boot id set correctly.  Anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem?

Cheers

Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-06 by emax_dx5

I had some similar problem, in my case it was a bad power supply connection. HD didn't reach the right rpm as the voltage were intermitent. Check the sockets.

10 mins is a crazy time for booting hd.

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@...> wrote:
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> So I'm having a slight annoyance with my Emax II.  It seems I need to wait for something to warm up before the hard drive will kick on.  I hear it spin up but it won't boot until maybe 10 mins after restarting multiple times.
> 
> This has happened with the original emax drive and a new drive I recently installed.  I have the scsi boot id set correctly.  Anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem?
> 
> Cheers
>

Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-06 by andykinnetz

Checked the sockets, everything looked ok.  What happens is the hard drive will spin up twice and then just go into standby mode, meanwhile the emax is searching through scsi finding nothing... then if I leave the emax on just sitting there searching scsi for atleast 5-10mins and restart the hard drive will kick in instantly.  And will do so until I turn it off for an extended period of time.  It's almost like something is discharged after a while and then it takes 5-10 mins to charge it back up before the hard drive will kick.

Any ideas?

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "emax_dx5" <cadena100rb@...> wrote:
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> I had some similar problem, in my case it was a bad power supply connection. HD didn't reach the right rpm as the voltage were intermitent. Check the sockets.
> 
> 10 mins is a crazy time for booting hd.
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@> wrote:
> >
> > So I'm having a slight annoyance with my Emax II.  It seems I need to wait for something to warm up before the hard drive will kick on.  I hear it spin up but it won't boot until maybe 10 mins after restarting multiple times.
> > 
> > This has happened with the original emax drive and a new drive I recently installed.  I have the scsi boot id set correctly.  Anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem?
> > 
> > Cheers
> >
>

Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-07 by emax_dx5

If your HD stops after some spinning i would go for a voltage problem again. If you have electronic skills and tools, measure the voltage on the power socket to see if it goes to 0 when the hd stops.

Another idea: Could it be a bad jumper settings on the HD?.

Altough it is not Emax related, I had lot of troubles installing an HD into my Akai S3000 XL. Had to set two jumpers for getting it working properly. 

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@...> wrote:
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> Checked the sockets, everything looked ok.  What happens is the hard drive will spin up twice and then just go into standby mode, meanwhile the emax is searching through scsi finding nothing... then if I leave the emax on just sitting there searching scsi for atleast 5-10mins and restart the hard drive will kick in instantly.  And will do so until I turn it off for an extended period of time.  It's almost like something is discharged after a while and then it takes 5-10 mins to charge it back up before the hard drive will kick.
> 
> Any ideas?
>

Re: [english 100%] [emax] Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-07 by Malte Krug

Am 07.01.2010, 12:48 Uhr, schrieb emax_dx5 <cadena100rb@...>:

> If your HD stops after some spinning i would go for a voltage problem  
> again. If you have electronic skills and tools, measure the voltage on  
> the power socket to see if it goes to 0 when the hd stops.
>
> Another idea: Could it be a bad jumper settings on the HD?.
>
> Altough it is not Emax related, I had lot of troubles installing an HD  
> into my Akai S3000 XL. Had to set two jumpers for getting it working  
> properly.
>

Hi,

let me guess, you had to put the jumper on "buspower", because somebody  
blew the fuse on the Akais SCSIconnector? While booting the Akai otherwise  
got stuck with "WAITING FOR HD....SKIP"

cu
Malte (I know I know, again not Emax-related...)
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> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@...> wrote:
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>> Checked the sockets, everything looked ok.  What happens is the hard  
>> drive will spin up twice and then just go into standby mode, meanwhile  
>> the emax is searching through scsi finding nothing... then if I leave  
>> the emax on just sitting there searching scsi for atleast 5-10mins and  
>> restart the hard drive will kick in instantly.  And will do so until I  
>> turn it off for an extended period of time.  It's almost like something  
>> is discharged after a while and then it takes 5-10 mins to charge it  
>> back up before the hard drive will kick.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>

Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-07 by thenewyorkcowboy

Those symptoms definitely sound like a 'beginning to fail' hard drive and not the Emax.  If there is a jumper on the HDD for delay auto start change it.  Newer drives also have stagger start.  If something is 'warming up' it would be the HDD.  I have a 540mb Connor and 80mb Quantum I would sell you.

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@...> wrote:
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> Checked the sockets, everything looked ok.  What happens is the hard drive will spin up twice and then just go into standby mode, meanwhile the emax is searching through scsi finding nothing... then if I leave the emax on just sitting there searching scsi for atleast 5-10mins and restart the hard drive will kick in instantly.  And will do so until I turn it off for an extended period of time.  It's almost like something is discharged after a while and then it takes 5-10 mins to charge it back up before the hard drive will kick.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "emax_dx5" <cadena100rb@> wrote:
> >
> > I had some similar problem, in my case it was a bad power supply connection. HD didn't reach the right rpm as the voltage were intermitent. Check the sockets.
> > 
> > 10 mins is a crazy time for booting hd.
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So I'm having a slight annoyance with my Emax II.  It seems I need to wait for something to warm up before the hard drive will kick on.  I hear it spin up but it won't boot until maybe 10 mins after restarting multiple times.
> > > 
> > > This has happened with the original emax drive and a new drive I recently installed.  I have the scsi boot id set correctly.  Anyone have any idea what could be causing the problem?
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > >
> >
>

Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-08 by andykinnetz

I don't think the hd is stopping because of voltage.  It's stopping when the drive goes into standby mode.  I assume because it's not being used.  It'll spin up twice and then the light on the back of the drive will change from green to orange and stay that way.

I can restart as many times as I want and it will do the same thing... then after 10 mins it'll spin up the same way but then start clicking and that's when I know it's finally reading the data and booting.  I'll probably pick up a voltmeter and see if it's getting different voltage from when I first start it up to after the 10 mins.

I tried a lot of jumper settings... I only have "Spin Up" jumpered and the rest are..
Low AC
Fault
Busy
Reserved
+5 V

I believe termination is jumpered as well.

This sound about right?




--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "emax_dx5" <cadena100rb@...> wrote:
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> If your HD stops after some spinning i would go for a voltage problem again. If you have electronic skills and tools, measure the voltage on the power socket to see if it goes to 0 when the hd stops.
> 
> Another idea: Could it be a bad jumper settings on the HD?.
> 
> Altough it is not Emax related, I had lot of troubles installing an HD into my Akai S3000 XL. Had to set two jumpers for getting it working properly. 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "andykinnetz" <akinnetz@> wrote:
> >
> > Checked the sockets, everything looked ok.  What happens is the hard drive will spin up twice and then just go into standby mode, meanwhile the emax is searching through scsi finding nothing... then if I leave the emax on just sitting there searching scsi for atleast 5-10mins and restart the hard drive will kick in instantly.  And will do so until I turn it off for an extended period of time.  It's almost like something is discharged after a while and then it takes 5-10 mins to charge it back up before the hard drive will kick.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> >
>

[english 100%] [emax] Re: Problem booting from HD

2010-01-08 by emax_dx5

(offtopic):
No, it was not SCSI fuse related (altough I had to replace it when I bought my Akai, it was blown as nearly 90% of those series).

It was because of confusing labels on the Hard Disk jumpers. I had the Spinning set to ON , but had to set another one. 

I agree that Emax problem sounds a bad HD, or HD expecting some extra instruction.
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> let me guess, you had to put the jumper on "buspower", because somebody  
> blew the fuse on the Akais SCSIconnector? While booting the Akai otherwise  
> got stuck with "WAITING FOR HD....SKIP"
> 
> cu
> Malte (I know I know, again not Emax-related...)
>

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