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2013-01-15 by papluss
hi. first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something wrong with it. Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those samples i made? https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem thanks guys! dave
2013-01-15 by Colin Peiris
Dear All I'm in possession of an old emax. And I can sell it to any one who is keen on that item. It is in working condition and no start up disket with me. thanks -- amacolp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by Human Being
Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer and didn't utilize proper gain staging. On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > hi. > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something wrong with it. > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those samples i made? > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > > thanks guys! > dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by krikor kouchian
yes it does sound like that, can you upload the original loop? Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being <abigblackwave@...> a écrit : > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > >> hi. >> first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something wrong with it. >> Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those samples i made? >> https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem >> >> thanks guys! >> dave >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://www.krikor.fr +33632199413 bookings: France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@... World: laetitia@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by monsieur escargot
I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, unmastered drum session bit. the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru the other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing wrong with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! thanks dave On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being <abigblackwave@...>wrote: > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer > and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > > > hi. > > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something > wrong with it. > > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those > samples i made? > > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > > > > thanks guys! > > dave > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Monsieur E. dave at mamakuproject dot com mamakuproject dot com youtube dot com/mamakuproject NZ:+64 (0)273214581 France: +33 (0)675322709 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by krikor kouchian
the noise you are recording is definitely from your soundcard. if the ratio "soundcard hardware output volume"/ "Sample volume inside the computer" is not right (sample too low/soundcard volume high) you will record a lot of noise. It will be even worse if the emax input is high. try to normalise you sample in the computer then lower the hardware output of your soundcard if needed, and hit the emax as hard as you can. Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, "monsieur escargot" < dave@...> a �crit : > > > I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, unmastered > drum session bit. > the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half > way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was > sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. > It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. > > for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are > sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send > signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru the > other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing wrong > with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! > > thanks > dave > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@gmail.com >wrote: > >> Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer >> and didn't utilize proper gain staging. >> >> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: >> >> > hi. >> > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something >> wrong with it. >> > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those >> samples i made? >> > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem >> > >> > thanks guys! >> > dave >> > >> > >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website >> >> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > -- > Monsieur E. > dave at mamakuproject dot com > mamakuproject dot com > youtube dot com/mamakuproject > NZ:+64 (0)273214581 > France: +33 (0)675322709 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -- http://www.krikor.fr +33632199413 bookings: France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@... World: laetitia@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by Human Being
Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would guess that is what's raising your noise floor. On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, unmastered > drum session bit. > the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half > way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was > sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. > It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. > > for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are > sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send > signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru the > other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing wrong > with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! > > thanks > dave > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@...>wrote: > > > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer > > and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > > > > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > > > > > hi. > > > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something > > wrong with it. > > > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those > > samples i made? > > > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > > > > > > thanks guys! > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > Monsieur E. > dave at mamakuproject dot com > mamakuproject dot com > youtube dot com/mamakuproject > NZ:+64 (0)273214581 > France: +33 (0)675322709 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by krikor kouchian
yes i didn't see that sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax! Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being <abigblackwave@...> a écrit : > Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would guess that is what's raising your noise floor. > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > >> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, unmastered >> drum session bit. >> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half >> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was >> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. >> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. >> >> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are >> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send >> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru the >> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing wrong >> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! >> >> thanks >> dave >> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@... >wrote: >> >> > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your computer >> > and didn't utilize proper gain staging. >> > >> > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: >> > >> > > hi. >> > > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is something >> > wrong with it. >> > > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those >> > samples i made? >> > > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem >> > > >> > > thanks guys! >> > > dave >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website >> > >> > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Monsieur E. >> dave at mamakuproject dot com >> mamakuproject dot com >> youtube dot com/mamakuproject >> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 >> France: +33 (0)675322709 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://www.krikor.fr +33632199413 bookings: France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@... World: laetitia@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-15 by papluss
Ok I have bypassed the headphone amp, made the signal hotter into emax. Sounds perhaps a bit better. (uploaded try2: https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem) I know it sounds like a digital noise, but I can't hear it from the RME UFX soundcard. It is very clear when i stop the playback early and keep emax sampling, then when emax stops sampling the noise stops (the recording carries on a little) Also at the begining i retriggered the sample to make you hear the nearly flanged type sound i get, with slightly different sound on every trigger. At first i though the chorus was on or that the sample was on 2 voices playing together, but chorus is off, and i don't master yet the emax 2 voice architecture, but on a menu quick tour, i couldn't see anything abnormal. Could the emax generate that digital noise? Would that be AD/DA conversion problem? How do you guys monitor your emax input? Thanks for your time guys. dave --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, krikor kouchian wrote:
> > yes i didn't see that > sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax! > > Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being a �crit : > > Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would > guess that is what's raising your noise floor. > > > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > > > >> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, > unmastered > >> drum session bit. > >> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half > >> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was > >> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. > >> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. > >> > >> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are > >> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send > >> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru > the > >> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing > wrong > >> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! > >> > >> thanks > >> dave > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@... > >wrote: > >> > >> > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your > computer > >> > and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > >> > > >> > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > >> > > >> > > hi. > >> > > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is > something > >> > wrong with it. > >> > > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those > >> > samples i made? > >> > > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > >> > > > >> > > thanks guys! > >> > > dave > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > >> > > >> > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Monsieur E. > >> dave at mamakuproject dot com > >> mamakuproject dot com > >> youtube dot com/mamakuproject > >> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 > >> France: +33 (0)675322709 > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.krikor.fr > +33632199413 > > bookings: > France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@... > World: laetitia@... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2013-01-15 by Nik Kinloch
Are you monitoring back through the soundcard? Sounds like the output is getting fed back into the input.
On 15/01/2013 10:48, papluss wrote: > Ok > I have bypassed the headphone amp, made the signal hotter into emax. > Sounds perhaps a bit better. (uploaded try2: https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem) > I know it sounds like a digital noise, but I can't hear it from the RME UFX soundcard. It is very clear when i stop the playback early and keep emax sampling, then when emax stops sampling the noise stops (the recording carries on a little) > Also at the begining i retriggered the sample to make you hear the nearly flanged type sound i get, with slightly different sound on every trigger. > At first i though the chorus was on or that the sample was on 2 voices playing together, but chorus is off, and i don't master yet the emax 2 voice architecture, but on a menu quick tour, i couldn't see anything abnormal. > Could the emax generate that digital noise? Would that be AD/DA conversion problem? > How do you guys monitor your emax input? > Thanks for your time guys. > > dave > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, krikor kouchian wrote: >> yes i didn't see that >> sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax! >> >> Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being a \ufffdcrit : >>> Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would >> guess that is what's raising your noise floor. >>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: >>> >>>> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, >> unmastered >>>> drum session bit. >>>> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half >>>> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was >>>> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. >>>> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. >>>> >>>> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are >>>> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send >>>> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru >> the >>>> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing >> wrong >>>> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> dave >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@... >>> wrote: >>>>> Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your >> computer >>>>> and didn't utilize proper gain staging. >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi. >>>>>> first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is >> something >>>>> wrong with it. >>>>>> Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those >>>>> samples i made? >>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks guys! >>>>>> dave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website >>>>> >>>>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Monsieur E. >>>> dave at mamakuproject dot com >>>> mamakuproject dot com >>>> youtube dot com/mamakuproject >>>> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 >>>> France: +33 (0)675322709 >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website >>> >>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> http://www.krikor.fr >> +33632199413 >> >> bookings: >> France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@... >> World: laetitia@... >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > >
2013-01-15 by jammie
its the headphone amp thats the problem made for small signal amplification thatwhysamplingfrom a headphoneoutput is a no no also the out put from the soundcard will be line level most proberly -10bdu thats why you need a mixer asittakes the line level and can drivethe signal louder if your going to record from a soundcard i would surgest doing it internally as that will be digital and not the rubbish dacs and opmaps used in soundcards save as wave files and use emxp to convert to the emax format you will get a much better recording ----- Original Message -----
From: "Human Being" <abigblackwave@...> To: <emax@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [emax] bad sound > Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would > guess that is what's raising your noise floor. > > On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > >> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, >> unmastered >> drum session bit. >> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half >> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was >> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. >> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. >> >> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are >> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send >> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru >> the >> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing >> wrong >> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! >> >> thanks >> dave >> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being >> abigblackwave@...>wrote: >> >> > Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your >> > computer >> > and didn't utilize proper gain staging. >> > >> > On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: >> > >> > > hi. >> > > first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is >> > > something >> > wrong with it. >> > > Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those >> > samples i made? >> > > https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem >> > > >> > > thanks guys! >> > > dave >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website >> > >> > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Monsieur E. >> dave at mamakuproject dot com >> mamakuproject dot com >> youtube dot com/mamakuproject >> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 >> France: +33 (0)675322709 >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2013-01-15 by jammie
yes that would cause the chorus fx as its a delayed version and will be out of phase this will also cause frequencies to be removed and will give you a dirty muffled noisy sound
----- Original Message -----
From: Nik Kinloch
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Cc: papluss
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: bad sound
Are you monitoring back through the soundcard? Sounds like the output is
getting fed back into the input.
On 15/01/2013 10:48, papluss wrote:
> Ok
> I have bypassed the headphone amp, made the signal hotter into emax.
> Sounds perhaps a bit better. (uploaded try2: https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem)
> I know it sounds like a digital noise, but I can't hear it from the RME UFX soundcard. It is very clear when i stop the playback early and keep emax sampling, then when emax stops sampling the noise stops (the recording carries on a little)
> Also at the begining i retriggered the sample to make you hear the nearly flanged type sound i get, with slightly different sound on every trigger.
> At first i though the chorus was on or that the sample was on 2 voices playing together, but chorus is off, and i don't master yet the emax 2 voice architecture, but on a menu quick tour, i couldn't see anything abnormal.
> Could the emax generate that digital noise? Would that be AD/DA conversion problem?
> How do you guys monitor your emax input?
> Thanks for your time guys.
>
> dave
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, krikor kouchian wrote:
>> yes i didn't see that
>> sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax!
>>
>> Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being a �crit :
>>> Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would
>> guess that is what's raising your noise floor.
>>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer,
>> unmastered
>>>> drum session bit.
>>>> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half
>>>> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was
>>>> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable.
>>>> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack.
>>>>
>>>> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are
>>>> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send
>>>> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru
>> the
>>>> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing
>> wrong
>>>> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine!
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> dave
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@...
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your
>> computer
>>>>> and didn't utilize proper gain staging.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>> first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is
>> something
>>>>> wrong with it.
>>>>>> Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those
>>>>> samples i made?
>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks guys!
>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Monsieur E.
>>>> dave at mamakuproject dot com
>>>> mamakuproject dot com
>>>> youtube dot com/mamakuproject
>>>> NZ:+64 (0)273214581
>>>> France: +33 (0)675322709
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>>>
>>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>>>
>>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
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>>>
>>>
>> --
>> http://www.krikor.fr
>> +33632199413
>>
>> bookings:
>> France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@...
>> World: laetitia@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2013-01-15 by papluss
I've tried sampling thru mixer instead, with emax output muted so no feedback possible (but emax doesnt seem to output when in Vu mode or while sampling) soundcard outputs are -10dB into mixer into emax. the crap is still there. can someone tell me if emax could generate this kinda digital sound if some kind of converter problem. and can you confirm that there is no possible way of monitoring the emax input? I found a solution to the flanged sound tho, setting up the midi to poly instead of omni and changing the midi basic channel to something else. That is quite obscure and involve a weird behavior of my nord stage as master keyboard, i wont go to long on that, i can explain what i found if someone runs into the same problem, but now my problem is 'just' about that digital noise. thanks --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" wrote:
> > yes that would cause the chorus fx as its a delayed version > > and will be out of phase this will also cause frequencies to be removed and will give you a dirty muffled noisy sound > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nik Kinloch > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Cc: papluss > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [emax] Re: bad sound > > > > Are you monitoring back through the soundcard? Sounds like the output is > getting fed back into the input. > > On 15/01/2013 10:48, papluss wrote: > > Ok > > I have bypassed the headphone amp, made the signal hotter into emax. > > Sounds perhaps a bit better. (uploaded try2: https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem) > > I know it sounds like a digital noise, but I can't hear it from the RME UFX soundcard. It is very clear when i stop the playback early and keep emax sampling, then when emax stops sampling the noise stops (the recording carries on a little) > > Also at the begining i retriggered the sample to make you hear the nearly flanged type sound i get, with slightly different sound on every trigger. > > At first i though the chorus was on or that the sample was on 2 voices playing together, but chorus is off, and i don't master yet the emax 2 voice architecture, but on a menu quick tour, i couldn't see anything abnormal. > > Could the emax generate that digital noise? Would that be AD/DA conversion problem? > > How do you guys monitor your emax input? > > Thanks for your time guys. > > > > dave > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, krikor kouchian wrote: > >> yes i didn't see that > >> sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax! > >> > >> Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being a �crit : > >>> Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would > >> guess that is what's raising your noise floor. > >>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > >>> > >>>> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, > >> unmastered > >>>> drum session bit. > >>>> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half > >>>> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was > >>>> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. > >>>> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. > >>>> > >>>> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are > >>>> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send > >>>> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru > >> the > >>>> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing > >> wrong > >>>> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! > >>>> > >>>> thanks > >>>> dave > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@ > >>> wrote: > >>>>> Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your > >> computer > >>>>> and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> hi. > >>>>>> first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is > >> something > >>>>> wrong with it. > >>>>>> Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those > >>>>> samples i made? > >>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > >>>>>> > >>>>>> thanks guys! > >>>>>> dave > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Monsieur E. > >>>> dave at mamakuproject dot com > >>>> mamakuproject dot com > >>>> youtube dot com/mamakuproject > >>>> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 > >>>> France: +33 (0)675322709 > >>>> > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > >>> > >>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> http://www.krikor.fr > >> +33632199413 > >> > >> bookings: > >> France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@ > >> World: laetitia@ > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2013-01-15 by Human Being
The flanging effect on the "2nd try" sounds like you're triggering the sample more than once, so you might be onto something with the omni/poly mode. Are you triggering it from the Emax keyboard *and* via MIDI? On Jan 15, 2013, at 4:57 AM, papluss wrote: > I've tried sampling thru mixer instead, with emax output muted so no feedback possible (but emax doesnt seem to output when in Vu mode or while sampling) > soundcard outputs are -10dB into mixer into emax. > > the crap is still there. > can someone tell me if emax could generate this kinda digital sound if some kind of converter problem. > and can you confirm that there is no possible way of monitoring the emax input? > > I found a solution to the flanged sound tho, setting up the midi to poly instead of omni and changing the midi basic channel to something else. > That is quite obscure and involve a weird behavior of my nord stage as master keyboard, i wont go to long on that, i can explain what i found if someone runs into the same problem, but now my problem is 'just' about that digital noise. > > thanks > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" wrote: > > > > yes that would cause the chorus fx as its a delayed version > > > > and will be out of phase this will also cause frequencies to be removed and will give you a dirty muffled noisy sound > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nik Kinloch > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: papluss > > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [emax] Re: bad sound > > > > > > > > Are you monitoring back through the soundcard? Sounds like the output is > > getting fed back into the input. > > > > On 15/01/2013 10:48, papluss wrote: > > > Ok > > > I have bypassed the headphone amp, made the signal hotter into emax. > > > Sounds perhaps a bit better. (uploaded try2: https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem) > > > I know it sounds like a digital noise, but I can't hear it from the RME UFX soundcard. It is very clear when i stop the playback early and keep emax sampling, then when emax stops sampling the noise stops (the recording carries on a little) > > > Also at the begining i retriggered the sample to make you hear the nearly flanged type sound i get, with slightly different sound on every trigger. > > > At first i though the chorus was on or that the sample was on 2 voices playing together, but chorus is off, and i don't master yet the emax 2 voice architecture, but on a menu quick tour, i couldn't see anything abnormal. > > > Could the emax generate that digital noise? Would that be AD/DA conversion problem? > > > How do you guys monitor your emax input? > > > Thanks for your time guys. > > > > > > dave > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, krikor kouchian wrote: > > >> yes i didn't see that > > >> sure don't use the headphone amp to sample in the emax! > > >> > > >> Le mardi 15 janvier 2013, Human Being a �crit : > > >>> Take the headphone amp out of the equation and post the results. I would > > >> guess that is what's raising your noise floor. > > >>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:18 AM, monsieur escargot wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I've uploaded the original file now. yes it is off the computer, > > >> unmastered > > >>>> drum session bit. > > >>>> the gain was set to 0dB on the emax and its Vumeter was going over half > > >>>> way. I had tried it hotter, but worse results, and i made sure i was > > >>>> sending mono signal and i checked the audio cable. > > >>>> It doesnt do it with the few samples on disk supplied with the rack. > > >>>> > > >>>> for the gain stagging, is it correct that you can't audition what you are > > >>>> sampling through the emax? only the result once you trigger it? I send > > >>>> signal to emax though an headphone amp which can mono and monitor thru > > >> the > > >>>> other channels either on headphones or mixer. Can't see what im doing > > >> wrong > > >>>> with gain staging, but in a way i hope it is me and not the machine! > > >>>> > > >>>> thanks > > >>>> dave > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Human Being abigblackwave@ > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>> Honestly, it sounds like you were sampling something off of your > > >> computer > > >>>>> and didn't utilize proper gain staging. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:34 PM, papluss wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> hi. > > >>>>>> first sampling on my 'new' emax1. And it sounds like there is > > >> something > > >>>>> wrong with it. > > >>>>>> Would you be able to direct me towards the problem by hearing those > > >>>>> samples i made? > > >>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/paplusse/sets/emax-sampling-noise-problem > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> thanks guys! > > >>>>>> dave > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------------ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Monsieur E. > > >>>> dave at mamakuproject dot com > > >>>> mamakuproject dot com > > >>>> youtube dot com/mamakuproject > > >>>> NZ:+64 (0)273214581 > > >>>> France: +33 (0)675322709 > > >>>> > > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------ > > >>> > > >>> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > >>> > > >>> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> http://www.krikor.fr > > >> +33632199413 > > >> > > >> bookings: > > >> France/Suisse/Benelux: fanyktdj@ > > >> World: laetitia@ > > >> > > >> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > > > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-16 by Carl Lofgren
Hey Jammie, The Emax rack is on the way to you now. I guess it will arrive early next week. Apart from the Emax itself I've included the slim floppy, slim floppy adapter and the Microtech CF-SCSI you were interested in buying from me. I also removed the fader knobs before I sent the unit - since they easily fall off and can get lost.I didn't send any floppies since I expect you to have floppies already. I would like you to install the new OLED display you got from Ted, as well as install the SCSI. Install the slim floppy and experiment to see which SCSI CF-readers you have is compatible with the Emax. As I said in my previous mails - I'd rather not go for the traditional PBC-50 version since the PC Card adapter sticks out way too long. Let me know how things go and when you get the unit! Thanks! /C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-17 by Carl Lofgren
How exceptionally embarrassing. This should have been sent as a private mail to Jammie. Sorry about telling you all about my plans for fixing up my Emax rack. /C >________________________________ > From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...> >To: "emax@yahoogroups.com" <emax@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:01 PM >Subject: [emax] Fixing up my Emax rack > > > >Hey Jammie, > >The Emax rack is on the way to you now. I guess it will arrive early next week. Apart from the Emax itself I've included the slim floppy, slim floppy adapter and the Microtech CF-SCSI you were interested in buying from me. I also removed the fader knobs before I sent the unit - since they easily fall off and can get lost.I didn't send any floppies since I expect you to have floppies already. > >I would like you to install the new OLED display you got from Ted, as well as install the SCSI. Install the slim floppy and experiment to see which SCSI CF-readers you have is compatible with the Emax. As I said in my previous mails - I'd rather not go for the traditional PBC-50 version since the PC Card adapter sticks out way too long. > >Let me know how things go and when you get the unit! > >Thanks! > >/C > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-17 by Human Being
Hey, let us know how it goes! On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Carl Lofgren wrote: > How exceptionally embarrassing. This should have been sent as a private mail to Jammie. Sorry about telling you all about my plans for fixing up my Emax rack. > > /C > > >________________________________ > > From: Carl Lofgren carl_lofgren@...> > >To: "emax@yahoogroups.com" emax@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:01 PM > >Subject: [emax] Fixing up my Emax rack > > > > > > > >Hey Jammie, > > > >The Emax rack is on the way to you now. I guess it will arrive early next week. Apart from the Emax itself I've included the slim floppy, slim floppy adapter and the Microtech CF-SCSI you were interested in buying from me. I also removed the fader knobs before I sent the unit - since they easily fall off and can get lost.I didn't send any floppies since I expect you to have floppies already. > > > >I would like you to install the new OLED display you got from Ted, as well as install the SCSI. Install the slim floppy and experiment to see which SCSI CF-readers you have is compatible with the Emax. As I said in my previous mails - I'd rather not go for the traditional PBC-50 version since the PC Card adapter sticks out way too long. > > > >Let me know how things go and when you get the unit! > > > >Thanks! > > > >/C > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2013-01-17 by Carl Lofgren
I will - plus pictures :) /C >________________________________ > From: Human Being <abigblackwave@...> >To: emax@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:44 AM >Subject: Re: [emax] Fixing up my Emax rack > >Hey, let us know how it goes! > >On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Carl Lofgren wrote: > >> How exceptionally embarrassing. This should have been sent as a private mail to Jammie. Sorry about telling you all about my plans for fixing up my Emax rack. >> >> /C >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: Carl Lofgren carl_lofgren@...> >> >To: "emax@yahoogroups.com" emax@yahoogroups.com> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:01 PM >> >Subject: [emax] Fixing up my Emax rack >> > >> > >> > >> >Hey Jammie, >> > >> >The Emax rack is on the way to you now. I guess it will arrive early next week. Apart from the Emax itself I've included the slim floppy, slim floppy adapter and the Microtech CF-SCSI you were interested in buying from me. I also removed the fader knobs before I sent the unit - since they easily fall off and can get lost.I didn't send any floppies since I expect you to have floppies already. >> > >> >I would like you to install the new OLED display you got from Ted, as well as install the SCSI. Install the slim floppy and experiment to see which SCSI CF-readers you have is compatible with the Emax. As I said in my previous mails - I'd rather not go for the traditional PBC-50 version since the PC Card adapter sticks out way too long. >> > >> >Let me know how things go and when you get the unit! >> > >> >Thanks! >> > >> >/C >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >------------------------------------ > >Emax and Emax II User's Group Website > >http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]