EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

On a fine day, 02-10-2003, Joe Albano wrote:

>  > You mean the pedal crossfades between the different hat samples,
>>  right? How? Are they all assigned to the same key but in different
>>  velocity layers?
>
>Yes, they're all assigned to the same key, but not different velocity
>layers (although you'd use what _used to be_ velocity layer settings in the
>EXS editor)

Oops, sample select layers -- that's what I meant.  Old habits die hard :).

>  > How then does the cc0 pedal cut off all those ringing notes?
>
>Technically, it doesn't, it fades back from the open/slosh sample layers to
>the closed sample layer - of course by that time the (short) closed sample
>is finished, so that layer is silent, all you hear is the foot sample
>triggered as the hat "closes" (resulting in the typical "shoop" sound of a
>closing hihat), which is either triggered by the pedal itself (the pedal I
>use also puts out a note trigger) or in a pinch by an Environment patch
>that can turn cc0 into the foot hat note (copy and process)..

Aha, so you have, say, 3 hat samples on F1 and a foot sample on G1. 
Play F1 with cc1 full open, and while the note sounds you turn back 
the modwheel to "close the hat" (cycle through the 3 xfaded hat 
samples). Then at the end of that you trigger G1 for the foot-sound. 
Have I got that right?

>  > Mind you: I would know how to make an Environment patch that does this,
>  > but it sounds as if you don't use any Environment trickery at all, which
>  > got me curious. If I'm completely mistaken about any of the above,
>  > please correct me..
>
>I do use Environment trickery for some of the programming (the randomizing
>of the snare/rimshot samples, chokes for the crash cymbals, converting this
>hihat approach to GM standard, general remapping, etc) but not for the
>crossfading of the hihats.. Keep in mind, though, this is currently on my
>K2500 (crossfading between (polyphonic) layers, each with a full
>independent range of parameter settings) - I haven't tried this yet in EXS..

Well, as you discovered yourself, this should be fairly 
straightforward to implement in the EXS :).  Thanks for the detailed 
parameter description though -- I'll surely save your post (and the 
previous one) to play around with this approach myself once I find 
some time.

>If Emagic does come out with multitimbral EXS, I'll definitely prefer to
>have separate layers (channels) for each hat

I don't really believe they're going to make a multi-EXS any time 
soon, so I wouldn't hold my breath...

>, and obviously the above
>settings may not work so well if you try to incorporate other drums into
>the same Instrument, but at least it's a start..

And a good one at that.  I'm sure many people have saved both posts 
by now :).  Thanks for your time & patience...

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