EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

From: Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...>:

> How then does the cc0 pedal cut off all those ringing notes?

>> Technically, it doesn't, it fades back from the open/slosh sample layers
>> to the closed sample layer - of course by that time the (short) closed
>> sample is finished, so that layer is silent, all you hear is the foot
>> sample triggered as the hat "closes" (resulting in the typical "shoop"
>> sound of a closing hihat), which is either triggered by the pedal itself
>> (the pedal I use also puts out a note trigger) or in a pinch by an Env
>> patch that can turn cc0 into the foot hat note (copy and process)..

> Aha, so you have, say, 3 hat samples on F1 and a foot sample on G1.
> Play F1 with cc1 full open, and while the note sounds you turn back
> the modwheel to "close the hat" (cycle through the 3 xfaded hat
> samples). Then at the end of that you trigger G1 for the foot-sound.
> Have I got that right?

Hi Hendrik -

Yes, exactly. Also, if you play a closed hat with cc1 at 0, then
immediately open the pedal, the hat _will_ open, (this seems to work better
than most of the MIDI drum kits out there (including V-Drum) where if you
hit a closed hat and then immediately open it you get nothing - a lot of
drummers seem to do this, either by accident or design)..

>> If Emagic does come out with multitimbral EXS, I'll definitely prefer
>> to have separate layers (channels) for each hat..

> I don't really believe they're going to make a multi-EXS any time soon,
> so I wouldn't hold my breath..

Yeah, it does look that way, doesn't it, though I really hope they do
eventually - they're the _only_ soft-sampler lacking this feature! The
other way for them to improve it would be simply to incorporate a _full
range_ of (front-panel) settings for each Group - they could incorporate a
group-select parameter on the front panel to switch between the settings
for whatever groups are present in the Instrument.. An Instrument or
program Setting would start out with only one global setting panel (like
now); activating a group's independent settings would copy in the global
settings; changing any settings would make _only those_ settings
group-specific (can't increase CPU load that much, can it?).. The combined
global and group-specific settings would be saved to the Instrument and to
the Settings files, just as they are now.. Doing it this way wouldn't force
them to immediately redo their code relating to the handling of multiple
instruments (although they should address that as well).. C'mon Emagic, why
the resistance to this feature?

>> Obviously the [specific hihat] settings may not work so well if you try
>> to incorporate other drums into the same Instrument, but .. it's a start..

> And a good one at that. I'm sure many people have saved both posts
> by now :). Thanks for your time & patience..

It's my pleasure.. :-)

Cheers, Joe Albano
ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS, NYC NY
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