EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

At 10:21 AM 10/07/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> The rest of your post is exactly the sort of Kool-Aid inspired crap that
>> has just been banned from the LUG.
>> 
>> It has nothing to do with the EXS24.
>
>Down boy... but I agree with the rest of your points. 

Hi Jer,

Thanks for your other post. 

I  wrote that because I thought it is a little insensitive to post
advocating that Jobs move to shaft PC users even more than he already has. 

I really like the whole cross platform thing. I really like that we are a
group of people with a shared interest -- who despite being spread all over
the world are able to share information and help each other in our
work/creative pursuits. I couldn't care less what platform floats your boat.

The points in the post I was referring to about M$ stealing the GUI from
Mac  --they don't hold water. There is a GUI like the Xerox/Windows/Mac GUI
on every operating system for the last 10 - 12 years -- Unix had X-Windows
etc , Linux has several, GEM was available on PC and other 680x0 platforms.
Xerox PARC invented the GUI it in the first place. As Steve Jobs once said:
"Good ideas are copied; the best ideas are stolen." 

M$ cut a few corners in developing their GUI -- what is the effect of that?
Bugger all. They could have bought GEM -- they would have got a Xerox style
GUI from somewhere. Coding Word for it would have been more work that's
all. There was no other option than to develop a modern graphical interface. 

OS/2 2.0 had it's own GUI in this style in 1992 so if it wasn't Windows
sweeping all before it in the 90's,  it would have been OS/2.  If OS/2 had
ended up on top, M$ would have still been in partnership with IBM --
therefore no Apple-IBM-Motorola troika. PowerPC was largely the IBM Power
architecture with a few minor Motorola bits tacked on. Where would Apple be
now if M$ hadn't ratted on IBM?

My Point?  The idea that any of this ancient history is a moral
justification for shafting musicians who use PC hardware is rubbish..

>This list is notorious
>for OT subject matter. I've often thought of the list name as a misnomer. It
>seems more like a group of talented people who talk about whatever it is
>they want to talk about it. I'm not a member of LUG, nor do I have a desire
>to be. I like this list for what it has been over the last year. A forum of
>pro users who talk about all the issues affecting such a niche. Admittedly,
>however, the Logic/Mac/PC has dominated our collective psyche lately.

That is interesting -- that you aren't on the LUG. The LUG has been a
train-wreck since the announcement and the moderators have been deluged by
2500+ messages. The LUG descended into a huge platform war the like of
which we have never seen. This move by Apple has split what has been a
fairly harmonious community. The Moderators have taken a stand in the last
couple of days explicitly banning this stuff.

Below I have pasted what they posted to the LUG.

Regards,
Murray
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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:27:35 -0000 
From: "lug_moderators" <lug_moderators@...> 
Subject: [ADMIN] Our New Moderation Policy
Due to the extremely volatile situation lately here on the LUG, 
an abnormal amount of platform wars have been started. Because 
of this, Windows "PCs" and Macintoshes will no longer be 
directly compared on this list, as this just creates a never 
ending debate. As of right now, *any* message that argues Mac 
vs. PC will either be rejected, or edited by the admins to 
remove the offensive comments. We will also edit or reject any 
messages that are even *likely* to start yet another Mac vs. 
PC debate, -or- are generally inflammatory in nature and non 
constructive. Please be careful what you post!
It is unfortunate that we have had to take such drastic 
measures, but the moderating team has been overwhelmed by the 
flood of messages debating platforms, and this cannot continue. 
For what it is worth, we moderators are an even mix of Mac and 
Windows users, so no means is this a decision biased because of 
the individual platform we happen to use. Everyone has had a 
full week now to express their opinions on Apple buying Emagic, 
as well as explain exactly why or why not switching to a Mac 
may or may not be a good idea, so there really is no point in 
repeating what has already been said many times before. 
We will eventually remove this "rule", so by no means will this 
be effect forever - just until everything calms down in a few 
weeks or months or however long it takes. We are very much 
looking forward to returning to a more casual moderation 
policy, but that's just not possible right now. On the other 
hand, advice on choosing PC or Mac hardware is still more than 
welcome, as is comparisons between Logic and other sequencers. 
This group is an invaluable resource to over 8,000 of us now, 
using both platforms, and that we are only trying to keep it 
that way. 
Thanks for your understanding, 
the LUG Moderators