EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Murray,

What you have said in regards to the contribution of Apple to a certain
style of computer interaction is perhaps also a form of mythology and does
not respect the differences between the work at the Park center and what was
finally produced on the first Mac. However, that is not the point at all. I
was really commenting on the state of mind of Steve Jobs (and really, is it
so unreasonable to point out that Bill Gates has engaged in many forms of
unethical business practise). I am reasonably certain that Steve Jobs does
think that way and therefore he has no sympathy for users who are being
screwed by the discontinuation of Windows software. I am just saying that he
is getting quite aggressive and he has a very strong ego. I am also pointing
out that the Apple corporate strategy might be coming directly Steve.

I don't think Apple wants a people to be working cross-platform. I think he
does not want the kind of CPU and hardware complaints we see here on this
list. What Apple wants is a concentration of compelling software only on the
Mac OS.

Regards

Paul 

> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:00:21 +1000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Some reasons why Steve Jobs bought Emagic
> 
> At 10:21 AM 10/07/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> The rest of your post is exactly the sort of Kool-Aid inspired crap that
>>> has just been banned from the LUG.
>>> 
>>> It has nothing to do with the EXS24.
>> 
>> Down boy... but I agree with the rest of your points.
> 
> Hi Jer,
> 
> Thanks for your other post.
> 
> I  wrote that because I thought it is a little insensitive to post
> advocating that Jobs move to shaft PC users even more than he already has.
> 
> I really like the whole cross platform thing. I really like that we are a
> group of people with a shared interest -- who despite being spread all over
> the world are able to share information and help each other in our
> work/creative pursuits. I couldn't care less what platform floats your boat.
> 
> The points in the post I was referring to about M$ stealing the GUI from
> Mac  --they don't hold water. There is a GUI like the Xerox/Windows/Mac GUI
> on every operating system for the last 10 - 12 years -- Unix had X-Windows
> etc , Linux has several, GEM was available on PC and other 680x0 platforms.
> Xerox PARC invented the GUI it in the first place. As Steve Jobs once said:
> "Good ideas are copied; the best ideas are stolen."
> 
> M$ cut a few corners in developing their GUI -- what is the effect of that?
> Bugger all. They could have bought GEM -- they would have got a Xerox style
> GUI from somewhere. Coding Word for it would have been more work that's
> all. There was no other option than to develop a modern graphical interface.
> 
> OS/2 2.0 had it's own GUI in this style in 1992 so if it wasn't Windows
> sweeping all before it in the 90's,  it would have been OS/2.  If OS/2 had
> ended up on top, M$ would have still been in partnership with IBM --
> therefore no Apple-IBM-Motorola troika. PowerPC was largely the IBM Power
> architecture with a few minor Motorola bits tacked on. Where would Apple be
> now if M$ hadn't ratted on IBM?
> 
> My Point?  The idea that any of this ancient history is a moral
> justification for shafting musicians who use PC hardware is rubbish..
> 
>> This list is notorious
>> for OT subject matter. I've often thought of the list name as a misnomer. It
>> seems more like a group of talented people who talk about whatever it is
>> they want to talk about it. I'm not a member of LUG, nor do I have a desire
>> to be. I like this list for what it has been over the last year. A forum of
>> pro users who talk about all the issues affecting such a niche. Admittedly,
>> however, the Logic/Mac/PC has dominated our collective psyche lately.
> 
> That is interesting -- that you aren't on the LUG. The LUG has been a
> train-wreck since the announcement and the moderators have been deluged by
> 2500+ messages. The LUG descended into a huge platform war the like of
> which we have never seen. This move by Apple has split what has been a
> fairly harmonious community. The Moderators have taken a stand in the last
> couple of days explicitly banning this stuff.
> 
> Below I have pasted what they posted to the LUG.
> 
> Regards,
> Murray
> __________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:27:35 -0000
> From: "lug_moderators" <lug_moderators@...>
> Subject: [ADMIN] Our New Moderation Policy
> Due to the extremely volatile situation lately here on the LUG,
> an abnormal amount of platform wars have been started. Because
> of this, Windows "PCs" and Macintoshes will no longer be
> directly compared on this list, as this just creates a never
> ending debate. As of right now, *any* message that argues Mac
> vs. PC will either be rejected, or edited by the admins to
> remove the offensive comments. We will also edit or reject any
> messages that are even *likely* to start yet another Mac vs.
> PC debate, -or- are generally inflammatory in nature and non
> constructive. Please be careful what you post!
> It is unfortunate that we have had to take such drastic
> measures, but the moderating team has been overwhelmed by the
> flood of messages debating platforms, and this cannot continue.
> For what it is worth, we moderators are an even mix of Mac and
> Windows users, so no means is this a decision biased because of
> the individual platform we happen to use. Everyone has had a
> full week now to express their opinions on Apple buying Emagic,
> as well as explain exactly why or why not switching to a Mac
> may or may not be a good idea, so there really is no point in
> repeating what has already been said many times before.
> We will eventually remove this "rule", so by no means will this
> be effect forever - just until everything calms down in a few
> weeks or months or however long it takes. We are very much
> looking forward to returning to a more casual moderation
> policy, but that's just not possible right now. On the other
> hand, advice on choosing PC or Mac hardware is still more than
> welcome, as is comparisons between Logic and other sequencers.
> This group is an invaluable resource to over 8,000 of us now,
> using both platforms, and that we are only trying to keep it
> that way. 
> Thanks for your understanding,
> the LUG Moderators
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