EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hey,

I'm new to this group and I'm trying to get an answer to the following
question:

Is it possible to perform the crossfade function in Gigasampler, where you
fx. fades between a quite string sample to a loud stringsample via the
modulation wheel, on the EXS-24?

I have been reading the post on the list concerning this issue, but I
haven't found a simple answer yes/no.

Kind Regards
Stig Christensen
visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/

> Is it possible to perform the crossfade function in Gigasampler, where you
> fx. fades between a quite string sample to a loud stringsample via the
> modulation wheel, on the EXS-24?
> 
> I have been reading the post on the list concerning this issue, but I
> haven't found a simple answer yes/no.

You can crossfade between velocity layers using the modulation wheel. I.e.
between loud and soft samples.
You can't crossfade between two different groups which both have velocity
ranges of 1-127 e.g. One group with vibrato and one group non-vibrato.

Matt

On a fine day, 09-11-2003, Stig Christensen wrote:

>Is it possible to perform the crossfade function in Gigasampler, where you
>fx. fades between a quite string sample to a loud stringsample via the
>modulation wheel, on the EXS-24?

You can use the modulation wheel _instead_ of note-velocity to 
crossfade between zones or groups.  You can't use the mod-wheel _in 
addition_ to velocity to crossfade.  I.e. if you have a pizzicato and 
a staccato group, each with 4 velocity layers, you cannot use the 
modwheel to xfade between staccato and pizzicato while at the same 
time the note-velocity determines which of the staccato and/or 
pizzicato samples is triggered.  You can have e.g. 3 layers with solo 
violin, double violins and violin orchestra, and use the modwheel to 
xfade between those.  Using various pad-sounds for that can give very 
cool wave-morph-like effects.

To do the latter: in the instrument editor set up groups or zones 
with specific "select range" settings.  Have group 1's range be 0-40, 
group 2 = 41-80 and group 3 = 81-127.  Save the instrument.
Now in the modulation matrix in the main interface the 1st entry is 
usually "Sample Select" by "Velocity".  Change that into "Sample 
Select" by "Controller 1" and you're done.  If you want to make this 
change permanent, don't forget to pick "save settings with 
instrument" from the EXS's options menu.
If your instrument already has "velocity layers" (which isn't a 
proper name anymore -- it's actually "select by layers" nowadays) you 
don't even have to edit the instrument: just change the "velocity" in 
the mod-matrix to "controller 1".

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hallo Hendrik,

Thank you for your information!


Kind Regards
Stig Christensen
visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...]
Sendt: 10. november 2003 16:49
Til: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: [EXS] Exs and Giga

On a fine day, 09-11-2003, Stig Christensen wrote:

>Is it possible to perform the crossfade function in Gigasampler, where you
>fx. fades between a quite string sample to a loud stringsample via the
>modulation wheel, on the EXS-24?

You can use the modulation wheel _instead_ of note-velocity to
crossfade between zones or groups.  You can't use the mod-wheel _in
addition_ to velocity to crossfade.  I.e. if you have a pizzicato and
a staccato group, each with 4 velocity layers, you cannot use the
modwheel to xfade between staccato and pizzicato while at the same
time the note-velocity determines which of the staccato and/or
pizzicato samples is triggered.  You can have e.g. 3 layers with solo
violin, double violins and violin orchestra, and use the modwheel to
xfade between those.  Using various pad-sounds for that can give very
cool wave-morph-like effects.

To do the latter: in the instrument editor set up groups or zones
with specific "select range" settings.  Have group 1's range be 0-40,
group 2 = 41-80 and group 3 = 81-127.  Save the instrument.
Now in the modulation matrix in the main interface the 1st entry is
usually "Sample Select" by "Velocity".  Change that into "Sample
Select" by "Controller 1" and you're done.  If you want to make this
change permanent, don't forget to pick "save settings with
instrument" from the EXS's options menu.
If your instrument already has "velocity layers" (which isn't a
proper name anymore -- it's actually "select by layers" nowadays) you
don't even have to edit the instrument: just change the "velocity" in
the mod-matrix to "controller 1".

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/ <http://www.omega-art.com/>



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Hey guys,

I just tried creating a patch based on your correspondence, and the
result 
was not very satisfying. I've been trying to figure out weather EXS
can 
crossfade between samples like the Giga for a while now - i have some 
beautiful patches that are very expressive and very playable in Giga
format. 
I've used CDXtract to convert them to EXS, but the conversion was not 
complete in regards to crossfading between sounds. EXS does NOT 
crossfade but "jump" between the samples - the transition is very
audible and 
un-musical. I created a very simple patch with three violin samples
of a same 
note (p, mp, f), assigned them to different groups (1-40, 41-79,
80-127), 
selected 'controller 1' instead velocity in the EXS editor... And,
yes - the 
instrument now switches between the three samples, but there is no 
crossfading at all, nothing smooth about the transition. Am I missing 
something or is this something EXS is not quite able to do right yet.

Cheers,

Damir Price


--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Stig Christensen" <sc@s...> wrote:
> Hallo Hendrik,
> 
> Thank you for your information!
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Stig Christensen
> visit http://www.sc-musik.dk/
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...]
> Sendt: 10. november 2003 16:49
> Til: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Emne: Re: [EXS] Exs and Giga
> 
> On a fine day, 09-11-2003, Stig Christensen wrote:
> 
> >Is it possible to perform the crossfade function in Gigasampler,
where you
> >fx. fades between a quite string sample to a loud stringsample via
the
> >modulation wheel, on the EXS-24?
> 
> You can use the modulation wheel _instead_ of note-velocity to
> crossfade between zones or groups.  You can't use the mod-wheel _in
> addition_ to velocity to crossfade.  I.e. if you have a pizzicato
and
> a staccato group, each with 4 velocity layers, you cannot use the
> modwheel to xfade between staccato and pizzicato while at the same
> time the note-velocity determines which of the staccato and/or
> pizzicato samples is triggered.  You can have e.g. 3 layers with
solo
> violin, double violins and violin orchestra, and use the modwheel to
> xfade between those.  Using various pad-sounds for that can give
very
> cool wave-morph-like effects.
> 
> To do the latter: in the instrument editor set up groups or zones
> with specific "select range" settings.  Have group 1's range be
0-40,
> group 2 = 41-80 and group 3 = 81-127.  Save the instrument.
> Now in the modulation matrix in the main interface the 1st entry is
> usually "Sample Select" by "Velocity".  Change that into "Sample
> Select" by "Controller 1" and you're done.  If you want to make this
> change permanent, don't forget to pick "save settings with
> instrument" from the EXS's options menu.
> If your instrument already has "velocity layers" (which isn't a
> proper name anymore -- it's actually "select by layers" nowadays)
you
> don't even have to edit the instrument: just change the "velocity"
in
> the mod-matrix to "controller 1".
> 
> --
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/ <http://www.omega-art.com/>
> 
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At 08:29 PM 11/14/03 +0000, you wrote:

>I just tried creating a patch based on your correspondence, and the
>result was not very satisfying. I've been trying to figure out weather EXS
>can crossfade between samples like the Giga for a while now - i have some
>beautiful patches that are very expressive and very playable in Giga
>format. EXS does NOT crossfade but "jump" between the samples - the 
>transition is very
>audible and un-musical. I created a very simple patch with three violin 
>samples
>of a same note (p, mp, f), assigned them to different groups (1-40, 41-79,
>80-127), selected 'controller 1' instead velocity in the EXS editor... And,
>yes - the instrument now switches between the three samples, but there is no
>crossfading at all, nothing smooth about the transition. Am I missing
>something or is this something EXS is not quite able to do right yet.

It can, which is good, but there's good news and bad news.

The Good News
Just adjust the XFade Amt parameter to larger numbers. It's on the second 
row under the Mark II insignia. What this specifically does is take your, 
for example, 41-79 and provides a ramp on both sides. A setting of 10 would 
start the fade in at 31 and go to 100% at 41, stay 100% until 79, and fade 
out until 89. You have a choice of three curves on the fades.

The (possible) Bad News
This parameter works in conjunction with the Sample Select global 
sub-system in EXS-24. So as you see, this works well for mod wheel crossfades.

The bad news is that you've used up your one "shot" at doing sample 
selects. Even though you can select multiple modulators using the 
SampleSelect parameter, you now have no ability to switch samples via 
(commonly) velocity or other means. This is not good, but of course, we may 
make a big deal out of that here, it's not really a big deal most of the 
time. It's wonderful to do one or the other, but it's discouraging because 
all the other switching/xfade samplers can do this.

Rumor has it that when the Emagic bigwigs were telling the employees on the 
other end of he phone that "we want this sampler to go GLOBAL," they didn't 
realize they dialed the wrong extension and that they were talking to 
Engineering, not Marketing. So Engineering made tons of the EXS_24 
parameters and sub-systems global in nature. Unfortunate mistake. =)

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

On a fine day, 14-11-2003, Damir wrote:

>I've used CDXtract to convert them to EXS, but the conversion was not
>complete in regards to crossfading between sounds. EXS does NOT
>crossfade but "jump" between the samples - the transition is very
>audible and un-musical.

You didn't by any chance forget to dial in a crossfade amount, did 
you?  It's at the upper right of the main EXS window, and you can 
choose between 3 different crossfade types and make it as smooth as 
you want.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On a fine day, 15-11-2003, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:

>On a fine day, 14-11-2003, Damir wrote:
>
>>I've used CDXtract to convert them to EXS, but the conversion was not
>>complete in regards to crossfading between sounds. EXS does NOT
>>crossfade but "jump" between the samples - the transition is very
>>audible and un-musical.
>
>You didn't by any chance forget to dial in a crossfade amount, did
>you?  It's at the upper right of the main EXS window, and you can
>choose between 3 different crossfade types and make it as smooth as
>you want.

Upper right: make that "upper left".  Sorry.
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Don't forget that the Crossfade Amount parameter is a global parameter. In the following example, there are 2 sets of samples (P, MP and F) and we want to be able to crossfade between these two sets using the modwheel. So we increase the Crossfade Amount value, but unfortunately the crossfade will also affect the velocity sample select. So instead of a clean velocity switch, we will get a velocity crossfade between P, MP and F.



Bernard

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Don't forget that the Crossfade Amount parameter is a global parameter. In
the following example, there are 2 sets of samples (P, MP and F) and we want
to be able to crossfade between these two sets using the modwheel. So we
increase the Crossfade Amount value, but unfortunately the crossfade will
also affect the velocity sample select. So instead of a clean velocity
switch, we will get a velocity crossfade between P, MP and F.

Here is the link to the picture that has been removed from my previous mail
:-)
www.cdxtract.com/exs_fade.jpg

Bernard

Thank you Garth, Hendrik and Bernard for your insightful answers. You were 
all correct - I did not dial in the XFade amount. That should take care of it 
then.

Cheers,

Damir


--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Garth Hjelte <garth@c...> wrote:
> At 08:29 PM 11/14/03 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >I just tried creating a patch based on your correspondence, and the
> >result was not very satisfying. I've been trying to figure out weather EXS
> >can crossfade between samples like the Giga for a while now - i have 
some
> >beautiful patches that are very expressive and very playable in Giga
> >format. EXS does NOT crossfade but "jump" between the samples - the 
> >transition is very
> >audible and un-musical. I created a very simple patch with three violin 
> >samples
> >of a same note (p, mp, f), assigned them to different groups (1-40, 41-79,
> >80-127), selected 'controller 1' instead velocity in the EXS editor... And,
> >yes - the instrument now switches between the three samples, but there is 
no
> >crossfading at all, nothing smooth about the transition. Am I missing
> >something or is this something EXS is not quite able to do right yet.
> 
> It can, which is good, but there's good news and bad news.
> 
> The Good News
> Just adjust the XFade Amt parameter to larger numbers. It's on the second 
> row under the Mark II insignia. What this specifically does is take your, 
> for example, 41-79 and provides a ramp on both sides. A setting of 10 
would 
> start the fade in at 31 and go to 100% at 41, stay 100% until 79, and fade 
> out until 89. You have a choice of three curves on the fades.
> 
> The (possible) Bad News
> This parameter works in conjunction with the Sample Select global 
> sub-system in EXS-24. So as you see, this works well for mod wheel 
crossfades.
> 
> The bad news is that you've used up your one "shot" at doing sample 
> selects. Even though you can select multiple modulators using the 
> SampleSelect parameter, you now have no ability to switch samples via 
> (commonly) velocity or other means. This is not good, but of course, we 
may 
> make a big deal out of that here, it's not really a big deal most of the 
> time. It's wonderful to do one or the other, but it's discouraging because 
> all the other switching/xfade samplers can do this.
> 
> Rumor has it that when the Emagic bigwigs were telling the employees on 
the 
> other end of he phone that "we want this sampler to go GLOBAL," they 
didn't 

> realize they dialed the wrong extension and that they were talking to 
> Engineering, not Marketing. So Engineering made tons of the EXS_24 
> parameters and sub-systems global in nature. Unfortunate mistake. =)
> 
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User