EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi,

I just purchased a G5. I'd like to use my old G4 as a 'sound module', running another 
version of Logic and using my existing EXS sound library as one would use a 
GigaStudio - triggering the sounds on the G4 from the G5 and recording that MIDI 
info on the Logic running on the G5. Sounds simple enough. I've done this with the 
GigaStudio and Logic, and it works like a charm.

 The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup. The problem is that the 
G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that is currently 
selected in the Arrange window. If i have an EXS instrument on MIDI channel 1 loaded 
with a piano sound, and an EXS instrument on MIDI channel 2 loaded with a string 
sound, and I record a part for each instrument  in Logic on the G5, when I play those 
parts back, only the instrument currently selected on the G4 will sound.

I have tried patching the physical input object directly to the Audio Instruments, I've 
tried using the channel splitter, I've tried standing on my head and rubbing my 
belly...nothing worked. At this point I'm thinking it's either so simple and obvious 
that it's staring me in the face and I just don't see it, or that it can't be done on Logic. 
Any ideas would be appreciated...

Damir

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
> >  The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup. 
The problem is that the 
> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that 
is currently 
> selected in the Arrange window. 

Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as 
the "slave" - it doesn't work.
> 
> I have tried patching the physical input object directly to the 
Audio Instruments,
Yeah, bin there
 I've 
> tried using the channel splitter,
Done that, too...
 I've tried standing on my head and rubbing my 
> belly...
I used profanities, personally, with equal effect...


nothing worked. At this point I'm thinking it's either so simple and 
obvious 
> that it's staring me in the face and I just don't see it, or that 
it can't be done on Logic. 

If you were to look at your Logic Version 5 Reference addendum 
manual, page 88, it says "The audio instrument track must be in 
record-ready mode, when you want to play the instrument in realtime.
Only the plug-in instrument of the currently selected track can be 
played."


This paragraph, buried deep in one of those excruciating reference 
addenda, shot me down in flames.


The work around is to use MIDI sync, record each track on the G4 and 
have them played back by the G4 with the G5 as the "master". You 
would obviously have to save the song on both computers to be able to 
play it back without recording audio...

Rest easy

Longy
> 
> Damir

On a fine day, 23-11-2003, longys_wot_not_worx wrote:

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
>>  >  The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup.
>The problem is that the
>>  G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that
>is currently
>>  selected in the Arrange window.
>
>Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as
>the "slave" - it doesn't work.

You guys _do_ know about the I/O-plug-in trick, don't you?  Cable a 
Channel Splitter into max. 16 audio instruments, insert an I/O 
plug-in (from the Helpers category) on all of them, and set some 
input & output on all plug-ins (important).  Then bypass all I/O 
plug-ins.  Assign a track to the Channel Splitter, and set Logic in 
play mode (or play/pause).  Does give some latency, but at least it 
works -- you can now play up to 16 virtual instruments 
simultaneously.  Instead of a channel splitter you can also use a 
neutral object such as a Monitor to route the same midi stream to 
multiple parallel instruments (i.e. not split the incoming data by 
channel).  Or use a Multi-Instrument instead of a Channel Splitter. 
Etc.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

on one very special day, longys_wot_not_worx at longys@... wrote:

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
>>> The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup.
> The problem is that the
>> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that
> is currently 
>> selected in the Arrange window.

In case any of you missed this from one of the recent LUG Digests, here is a
post that details how to use a second mac as a "slave" EXS 24 player:



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Message: 18
   Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:20:24 -0000

   From: "glionelli" <glionelli@...>
Subject: Re: [LAM] Using a second Mac with Logic as a sound module -
GigaStudio style

--- In logic-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just purchased a G5. I'd like to use my old G4 as a 'sound module', running
another 
> version of Logic and using my existing EXS sound library as one would use a
> GigaStudio - triggering the sounds on the G4 from the G5 and recording that
MIDI 
> info on the Logic running on the G5. Sounds simple enough. I've done this with
the 
> GigaStudio and Logic, and it works like a charm.

You can do this and it works very well.
In the Environment:

From Physical Input – draw a single connection from output #1 to Channel
Splitter 
input #1. 
Draw 16 sequential connections from Channel Splitter #1 to 16 sequential
Audio 
Instrument Tracks. 
Insert an EXS24mkII into each Audio Instrument Track.
To each Audio Instrument track insert an I/O plug-in.
(Stereo>Logic>Helper>I/O).
When the I/O Plug-in pops up on the screen, assign any bus to its output (1
-2, for 
instance) and assign another bus to its input (1-2, for instance). Then put
 the plug-in 
into BYPASS mode. This forces Logic to treat this channel as a live input,
thereby 
eliminating any latency that would otherwise occur. Make sure each channel
in Logic 
is set to receive on sequential individual MIDI channels, not set to ALL.
Record enable 
all channels. It seems to work with the channels not record enabled too,
just not for 
the MachFive channel (if you want to setup that sampler as well).

Repeat this entire setup adding more Channel Splitters each with 16 Audio
Instrument 
tracks. (Draw a single cable from the Physical Input output #2 to Channel
Splitter #2, 
then another cable from the Physical Input output #3 to Channel Splitter #3,
etc.) 

Put Logic into PLAY mode (create a 2 bar loop).

In my setup, I have G5 #1 running Digital Performer under DAE (in AudioMIDI
setup, I 
created different MIDI Devices that represent G5 #2 running Logic – one
device for 
each group of 16 MIDI channels).

That's it! 

On a Macintosh G5 Dual 2 Ghz I've so far setup 48 EXS24mkIIs, plus an
instance of 
MachFive (playing 16 channel


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-- 
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Eli Krantzberg <elik@v...> wrote:
> on one very special day, longys_wot_not_worx at longys@t... wrote:
> 
> > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
> >>> The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup.
> > The problem is that the
> >> G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that
> > is currently 
> >> selected in the Arrange window.
> 
> In case any of you missed this from one of the recent LUG Digests,
here is a
> post that details how to use a second mac as a "slave" EXS 24
player:
> 


Thanks a bunch, Eli. I just saw it there. It's exactly the info I was
looking for. I'll check 
it out later on today.

Cheers,

Damir

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> On a fine day, 23-11-2003, longys_wot_not_worx wrote:
> 
> >--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Damir" <damirp@e...> wrote:
> >>  >  The problem is, I can't get it to work with the current setup.
> >The problem is that the
> >>  G4 Logic will only play the sounds from the Audio Instrument that
> >is currently
> >>  selected in the Arrange window.
> >
> >Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as
> >the "slave" - it doesn't work.
> 
> You guys _do_ know about the I/O-plug-in trick, don't you?  Cable a 
> Channel Splitter into max. 16 audio instruments, insert an I/O 
> plug-in (from the Helpers category) on all of them, and set some 
> input & output on all plug-ins (important).  Then bypass all I/O 
> plug-ins.  Assign a track to the Channel Splitter, and set Logic in 
> play mode (or play/pause).  Does give some latency, but at least it 
> works -- you can now play up to 16 virtual instruments 
> simultaneously.  Instead of a channel splitter you can also use a 
> neutral object such as a Monitor to route the same midi stream to 
> multiple parallel instruments (i.e. not split the incoming data by 
> channel).  Or use a Multi-Instrument instead of a Channel Splitter. 
> Etc.
> 
> -- 
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Thanks Hendirk. I did not know about the I/O plug-in trick. Now I do. Thanks a bunch 
for the info. 

Cheers,

Damir Price

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>>> Correct - I tried this with G4 as the newbie & the P3 450 as
>>> the "slave" - it doesn't work.

Is it possible to share the Logic key between two mac ?
                   
Thanks in advance.

Best regards
 
Cyril Blanc
France

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