EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi

     Because I was complaining that there was still problems with QLSO
Kontakt/Kompakt  and Logic I have been banned from QLSO forum. It is now 5
month I have bought QLSO and it is still unusable using the QLSO/Kompakt
player

    If you read this list you must be aware that the mails that are relating
problems are deleted by the list holder Douglas Rogers, people complaining
are banned from the list ; Douglas Rogers is working for East West.

    You have also to be aware is that Doug Rogers says he has no problem on
it¹s G5, none of the G5 user¹s have QLSO working with the QLSO/Kompakt
player. This guy also said to everybody to buy a 10 000 rpm disk ; users
that did it did not solve there problem.

    In the best answers of this guy (we say ³perle² in French) :
    - Increase the memory allocated to Logic in OS X
    - To a G4 user buy the SATA 10 000 rpm disk
    - To a G4 user buy 1 GB module ram
    - Logic and Kontakt is able to go over the 2 GB limit of OS X
    - and many other

    There are still many problems with this product using it with Logic and
Cubase, problems where related with Protools too by other user. I have also
heard the GPO users are having many problems, and that OS 9 version is
unusable.

So my advise is that you wait to buy this product until majors bugs are
fixed


For Cubase, Protools and DP users :
Being a Logic user, I have just post this message to inform you so you do
not get caught, I will not be able to read your answer unless you put me
directly in copy

You can join the QLSO ³free² forum where you will be able to report all your
problems and to get help : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qlso/
 
Please find after the list of problems an improvements needed

Cyril Blanc

Independent Quantum Leap Symphony orchestra forum (QLSO) for Mac
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QLSO Platinum :

- There is a lot of articulation missing like :
    Piz for viola, ³up and down bow type ³articulations for cello and double
bass ....
- Key switched program are a not homogenised in one instrument category
- Documentation is hopeless compared to the one of VSL
- No legato tools
- Voice polyphony problems with fast parts (this problem is also listed in
Kontakt as I don¹t know who is responsible for it)

Kontakt 1.5.2 problems with Logic on a G5 2x2

List of bugs/improvements  needed :
- Memory handling ;
  -- the memory used increase while you play ; goes to a Logic crash if you
are on the 2 GB limit
  -- VM is not allocated during load ; this give core audio overload
  -- When you load a song that has been created on another computer with
other DFD settings Logic is crashing
  -- I have put the DFD parameters to maximum, load my test song instead to
get a low memory message Logic is crashing !
-  Very slow loading (10 minutes to load my autoload song)
- Take ages to find the samples when importing a song from another computer
; this function need improvement
- After I have play around 30 minutes of my Logic t est song I get an Error
of sync between Midi and Audio.
- playing Fast notes are having problems (use more than 120 voices) i.e.
tympani roll !
- Not enough voices
- Key switches using the EXS format does not work
- Simplify DFD settings depending of CPU and disk
- Automation parameters are not in clear

Kontakt Stand alone :
   -- dead loop when changing midi channels in the pref

KOMPAKT Standalone 

1) a few times I had a dead loop, in the log I had a lot of :
*** malloc: vm_allocate(size=„21376) failed (error code==3)
*** malloc[894]: error: Can't allocate region

This appends when you go in the setup menu
If my memory is good that was a bug of a previous version of Kompakt.

2) When you play with the mouse on the keyboard of the SO instrument you get
click when you release the key

3) When I load 1 SOSTRING + 1 SOBRASS+ 1 SOWIND with the multi I have send
and I play on the keyboard there are the following problems
* the sound is horrible
* One of the module had just 2 outputs ( the other have 14 outputs)


SO String in Logic on a G5 2x2
I use the C 18V Key switch C0-D0
I have a part in the test song starting at 1682 to 1713 for the violin 1
where the violin is playing ³double croches² at tempo 146
The voice counter goes up to 33 playing one note at a time, when I reduce
the voice limit the sound is no so good.

Logic problems :

- I get DFD noises
- Logic does not launch the autoload song
- When I load a song with a SOSTRING and a SOBRASS in one song, Logic
crashes

Using Kompakt 

- When you change the ³Kompakt² to no-plug ins a multi-instrument Logic is
crashing

From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>

>  Because I was complaining that there was still problems with QLSO
>Kontakt/Kompakt  and Logic I have been banned from QLSO forum.

So you're lashing out here?!

Come on, Cyril. Nobody has ever been banned from NS for posting 
constructive criticism. Have you considered that it has to do with 
the way something is said, not what's said?

>So my advise is that you wait to buy this product until majors bugs are
>fixed

Or run it in Kontakt, which works very well under Panther, or on 
Windows machines.

I have a magazine review of EWQLSO pending, and there's a limit to 
what I can ethically say in public, so I'll leave it at that.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

On 01/05/2004, at 9:35 AM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Hi
>
>      Because I was complaining that there was still problems with QLSO
> Kontakt/Kompakt  and Logic I have been banned from QLSO forum. It is 
> now 5
> month I have bought QLSO and it is still unusable using the 
> QLSO/Kompakt
> player
>
>     If you read this list you must be aware that the mails that are 
> relating
> problems are deleted by the list holder Douglas Rogers, people 
> complaining
> are banned from the list ; Douglas Rogers is working for East West.
>
>

I have not read Cyril's complaint but the mention of Kompakt has caught 
my attention.
I will use any opportunity to warn potential customers of NI products 
that they buy them at their only peril.
It would be wise to visit the NI forums before you buy anything from 
that company.
Particularly beware of their "little brother" products like Reaktor 
Session and particularly Kompakt.
These products don't work to any useable spec with a Mac on OSX with 
PTools and I'm not sure if Session is working in Logic yet. When I 
bought it, I did so under the impression that it did.
  It didn't.
That they advertise it to do so is criminal.
That they sell Kompakt as workable under RTAS is criminal.
This is a company with no tech support other than their forum. If 
someone feels like answering then you are lucky. They usually don't 
bother and this method works well for them. People usually just give up 
and lay down (or bend over)

Cyril, I'm sure musos are not meant to be embroiled in such soul 
destructive dialogues with software manufacturers. The 
customer/manufacturer paradigm has changed with the advent of software 
and it's  unfinished "not quite compatible yet" nature. In short, these 
guys can get away with murder............at the moment.
On the one hand we celebrate the potential and the promise of what they 
offer, and being the excitable creative types that we are, we jump in 
and purchase. On the other hand we find ourselves in the midst of a 
slanging match with the software manufacturers and their agents amongst 
our lists. A total waste of energy and truly counter productive.
I have no idea if your beef is with QLSO or NI. If you are going to 
fight then fight hard and do so on as many lists as possible. Fuck them 
and good luck to you.
Phil Buckle.

From: phil buckle <pbuckle1@...>

>If you are going to
>fight then fight hard and do so on as many lists as possible. Fuck them
>and good luck to you.

Kompakt is pretty lousy on Macs, but that's not the way to get 
anything done, Phil. They've finally got Kontakt working very well, 
and they're going to incorporate the improvements in Kompakt.

There are ways of posting things without alienating everybody in 
sight - including people who agree with you.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> wrote:
> From: phil buckle <pbuckle1@o...>
> 
> >If you are going to
> >fight then fight hard and do so on as many lists as possible. Fuck them
> >and good luck to you.
> 
> Kompakt is pretty lousy on Macs, but that's not the way to get 
> anything done, Phil. They've finally got Kontakt working very well, 
> and they're going to incorporate the improvements in Kompakt.
> 
> There are ways of posting things without alienating everybody in 
> sight - including people who agree with you.
> -- 
> 
> Nick Batzdorf
> 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

I have long ago lost patience with these people who have my money and give me nought 
in return.
Their arrogance should not be rewarded with compliance or affiliation.
Phil Buckle.